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Post by sfvega on May 27, 2020 6:40:23 GMT -5
Ottawa had shit ownership. Everyone has known that for years. They were gonna make a push for contention while they still thought they had a good squad, but it turned out to be a pumpkin. Karlsson didn't make a statement on it in order to leave it open for him to leave. How many captains avoid making a statement when they are going to stay? We're dealing with the same thing in St. Louis with Pietrangelo. He's being professional, just like Karlsson. Not making any statement either way. But that's so if he gets a good enough offer, which we cannot match with this no-longer inflating cap, he can leave and say that he gave them a chance. And Pietrangelo is going to give the Blues a chance, especially considering he just won a Cup here. But undecided usually means they're leaning toward leaving. In this case, Petro is leaving for money. Karlsson left both to get on a better team and get paid. You don't offer a guy who is on the fence a giant contract for PR, because what if he accepts it? Ottawa needed to get to the cap floor anyway. My point isn't that the Rangers have been more aggressive but that ANY team with a great core has paid to get there. Colorado paid to get Byram. Ottawa paid to get Brannstrom. Everyone costs something. Fox basically pushed his way to NY basically the same way Vesey did. Yes, you had to pay to get him but what other young talented defenseman is forcing his team's hand to go to a non-playoff team? NY is in a fantastic spot, and you should be really encouraged by both having a stud core and likely having another top 14 pick to go with that. And I do think that while the Islanders have ownership and arena issues, their team-building and player development is really good. I think them and the Rangers are in for a great rivalry coming up. Dobson is going to be great, and their system already works with average goalies like Varly. Once Sorokin hits his stride, they could be a great defensive team. I would put LA about 4th or 5th in the prospect pool. I like Turcotte a lot and Bjornfot, but I don't get the hype on Kaliyev and their track record of developing dynamic forward essentially starts and ends with Kopitar. I think we are mostly on the same page. I get you as a Rangers fan wanting a top player, who wouldn't? But like with Chicago. It wasn't just that they didn't tank. It's that they were an actually talented team who gave teams in the Central problems. I honestly think they were a notably better team than Minnesota that season, and had the season been a little longer I think they make the playoffs. And it kills me to say those things about my team's biggest rival. But it's true. I don't think the bottom lottery teams should be rewarded for being better teams. But there's no real way to quantify and punish tanking in the NHL, especially when it's not as egregious as it is in other sports. Detroit sucked out loud this year. Could they have made more moves and ended up winning some more games? Probably. But they still would have had a long way to go to not be a bottom 5 team in the league. And I can't find it in me to argue that better teams should have a higher chance than them to get possibly generational players like Lafreniere. On Shestyorkin, what do you think his ceiling is? I've heard better than Vasilievsky before, and that's currently pretty high praise. But I do wonder if he will level off like Price did who was the biggest recent can't miss goalie. Dobson is going to be a stud. He trains with Crosby, Marchand, Mackinnon, etc in Halifax in the summer. There's a youtube guy named John Moore that films them from time to time if you're interested. He also does pretty good snippets of QMJHL prospects. Those guys all had strong praise for him and I remember an article saying he held his own in battle drills when the others were going hard and they didn't take it easy on him. They get other guys to come in from outside the area too like Taylor Hall and Jack Hughes. I wouldn't be opposed to the bottom team getting bumped up to 25/33%, or even higher. Too early to tell about Shestyorkin, at least from me. I had a hard time watching them last year due to scheduling and life getting in the way. I didn't get to see him much other than game highlights on nhl.com. I've liked his demeanour and what I've seen so far, so I'm optimistic, but I have the same thoughts about him leveling off once the league gets a feel for his tendencies, weaknesses, etc and get a playbook on him. What are your current thoughts on Binnington? Wasn't able to see him much this year either. The Blues are actually my team from the west, have been since the 90's. They have my favourite sweaters in the league. Was a big fan of Hull, MacInnis, Cujo, Shanny. I was really excited when Gretzky got traded there, back then I thought it meant an automatic cup haha. When they won last year, I posted a picture of when I was about 8 wearing a Blues hat and holding a team banner. I still have the hat. When I was a kid I got a GT snow racer that came with a Brett Hull poster. It was up for at least 10 years. I've rooted for other teams when it's just jumping on the bandwagon and I don't really care about the results, but the Rangers and Blues have been my lifelong two. Nice recommendation on YT. I just started following THG last season, good NHL content is hard to come by. I only saw one game of Shesty and I thought he looked really good, but the league tends to find a weakness after a while if you have any. But maybe he is just gonna be that guy who dominates at every level he plays at. I wouldn't be shocked, given what every scout was saying about him his last 2 years in the KHL. That among other really good prospects in Samsonov and Sorokin, that he's head and shoulders better. I think Samsonov will do really well in Washington if they let Holtby go though. Have they given any indication of what they're going to do with Henrik? Georgiev is gonna be a real hot goalie target if they for whatever reason want to go in that direction. Awesome that you root for the Blues. I had a Hull poster growing up too. Probably my favorite Blue of all time, though Cujo, Oshie, Jackman, and Reaves are up there. Crazy that the team last season is the one who won it all when considering the talent we had here in 1995, 2000, and 2015. Goes to show how important goaltending is in the postseason. Binnington is the real deal. His chances are mostly limited because they play such a disciplined system. But he's unflappable. After every loss last playoffs, even after the ones where he got pulled, he was on top of his game. Even for an older rookie, that's really impressive. He does kind of overcommit at times, but unlike Jake Allen he's only slightly out of position and doesn't completely lose his crease. His lateral movement is great, his glove is fantastic. After seeing him come down to a more reasonable numbers (but still very good), I wish we would have signed him to a more long-term deal instead of this short bridge. He'll cost us more now.
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Post by häšhtå.gdālėÿ on May 27, 2020 14:07:12 GMT -5
24 teams make it.., and the Sharks aren’t one of them. That Karlsson contract is going to be a nightmare for many many many seasons, isn’t it?
((Obviously correct me if I’m wrong, but even a low-knowledge hockey fan raised my eyebrows at that contract, and what it would do to their ability to build a team))
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Post by kingoftheindies on May 27, 2020 17:06:54 GMT -5
24 teams make it.., and the Sharks aren’t one of them. That Karlsson contract is going to be a nightmare for many many many seasons, isn’t it? ((Obviously correct me if I’m wrong, but even a low-knowledge hockey fan raised my eyebrows at that contract, and what it would do to their ability to build a team)) Yes that contract is one of many reasons San Jose may be in for a few rough years
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Post by HeyYo on May 28, 2020 7:44:35 GMT -5
Dobson is going to be a stud. He trains with Crosby, Marchand, Mackinnon, etc in Halifax in the summer. There's a youtube guy named John Moore that films them from time to time if you're interested. He also does pretty good snippets of QMJHL prospects. Those guys all had strong praise for him and I remember an article saying he held his own in battle drills when the others were going hard and they didn't take it easy on him. They get other guys to come in from outside the area too like Taylor Hall and Jack Hughes. I wouldn't be opposed to the bottom team getting bumped up to 25/33%, or even higher. Too early to tell about Shestyorkin, at least from me. I had a hard time watching them last year due to scheduling and life getting in the way. I didn't get to see him much other than game highlights on nhl.com. I've liked his demeanour and what I've seen so far, so I'm optimistic, but I have the same thoughts about him leveling off once the league gets a feel for his tendencies, weaknesses, etc and get a playbook on him. What are your current thoughts on Binnington? Wasn't able to see him much this year either. The Blues are actually my team from the west, have been since the 90's. They have my favourite sweaters in the league. Was a big fan of Hull, MacInnis, Cujo, Shanny. I was really excited when Gretzky got traded there, back then I thought it meant an automatic cup haha. When they won last year, I posted a picture of when I was about 8 wearing a Blues hat and holding a team banner. I still have the hat. When I was a kid I got a GT snow racer that came with a Brett Hull poster. It was up for at least 10 years. I've rooted for other teams when it's just jumping on the bandwagon and I don't really care about the results, but the Rangers and Blues have been my lifelong two. Nice recommendation on YT. I just started following THG last season, good NHL content is hard to come by. I only saw one game of Shesty and I thought he looked really good, but the league tends to find a weakness after a while if you have any. But maybe he is just gonna be that guy who dominates at every level he plays at. I wouldn't be shocked, given what every scout was saying about him his last 2 years in the KHL. That among other really good prospects in Samsonov and Sorokin, that he's head and shoulders better. I think Samsonov will do really well in Washington if they let Holtby go though. Have they given any indication of what they're going to do with Henrik? Georgiev is gonna be a real hot goalie target if they for whatever reason want to go in that direction. Awesome that you root for the Blues. I had a Hull poster growing up too. Probably my favorite Blue of all time, though Cujo, Oshie, Jackman, and Reaves are up there. Crazy that the team last season is the one who won it all when considering the talent we had here in 1995, 2000, and 2015. Goes to show how important goaltending is in the postseason. Binnington is the real deal. His chances are mostly limited because they play such a disciplined system. But he's unflappable. After every loss last playoffs, even after the ones where he got pulled, he was on top of his game. Even for an older rookie, that's really impressive. He does kind of overcommit at times, but unlike Jake Allen he's only slightly out of position and doesn't completely lose his crease. His lateral movement is great, his glove is fantastic. After seeing him come down to a more reasonable numbers (but still very good), I wish we would have signed him to a more long-term deal instead of this short bridge. He'll cost us more now. I think it'll be really interesting to see what Washington and Holtby do, especially now that Backstrom just signed that big contract. If Holtby walks, where do you think he ends up? Be interesting now that he's 30, but that didn't deter Florida and Bobrovsky. Ahhhhhhh Henrik. I'll preface this by saying I appreciate everything he's done and he's obviously the top goalie in franchise history. But he knew what he was signing up for with the rebuild. He refused to be traded, which is fine as he has the NMC and earned that right. But man, once Shestyorkin showed up and Georgiev was getting more playing time, he has done NOTHING but sulk both on the bench and in the media. Some of the fanbase has soured on him because of this, me included. He's basically untradeable now if he did decide to waive. Larry Brooks, our main media guy, has been saying over the last couple months now that if the cap remains the same that the league might offer a compliance buyout, and they would use it on Hank. Sucks that it would end this way, but it is what it is. I also don't think I would like him as a teammate because of his demeanour. I don't like he throws tantrums on the ice, like throwing the net off a couple years ago against Pittsburgh during the play. He berates his D on the ice - if he did that in the dressing room and behind closed doors I'd be fine with it. He's supposed to be a leader and that's just not a style I agree with. The link below will show good examples of it. There's also the whole Derek Stephan thing when he told him to relax when Hank was throwing another hissy fit. Here's Don Cherry talking about it at 5:40. www.sportsnet.ca/hockey/nhl/ron-don-stepan-lundqvist-awful/In the article is said they were fine afterwards, but there were like a dozen Ottawa fans on Twitter after this game that apparently had seats close to the Rangers room (but grain of salt because Twitter) that said they heard someone smashing things and screaming that they wanted Stephan traded. Of course it was speculated to be Hank. Stephan did it during a timeout and was just telling him to relax, so it's like Hank can go an embarrass teammates but can't take it back. Another thing that soured him with the fanbase. Also, might have been a coincidence, but Stephan was traded the next month. There was a video of the two of them together on nhl.com with Paul Bissonnette joking a couple months ago so it either isn't true or they've made up. I like Georgiev. He's solid and has done a good job. NBC Sports in San Jose was speculating last week that they're going to trade their 2nd round pick this year for him. I'd prefer to keep him over Hank, but I would take that deal and ride out Hank next year and let him complete his contract. They also have Wall, Huska, and Lindbom in the pipeline so he can be expendable. They have JF Berube too but everyone thinks it's just to expose to Seattle. I like Binnington a lot too. Agree with what you said, and he has the demeanour I like in a goalie. It's like you can't faze him. And yeah, his next contract will be very interesting. Think Pietrangelo will stay? I have a feeling he will. I've been a big fan of his since his junior days. He was dominate at the world juniors, especially in 2010.
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Post by sfvega on May 28, 2020 8:49:18 GMT -5
Nice recommendation on YT. I just started following THG last season, good NHL content is hard to come by. I only saw one game of Shesty and I thought he looked really good, but the league tends to find a weakness after a while if you have any. But maybe he is just gonna be that guy who dominates at every level he plays at. I wouldn't be shocked, given what every scout was saying about him his last 2 years in the KHL. That among other really good prospects in Samsonov and Sorokin, that he's head and shoulders better. I think Samsonov will do really well in Washington if they let Holtby go though. Have they given any indication of what they're going to do with Henrik? Georgiev is gonna be a real hot goalie target if they for whatever reason want to go in that direction. Awesome that you root for the Blues. I had a Hull poster growing up too. Probably my favorite Blue of all time, though Cujo, Oshie, Jackman, and Reaves are up there. Crazy that the team last season is the one who won it all when considering the talent we had here in 1995, 2000, and 2015. Goes to show how important goaltending is in the postseason. Binnington is the real deal. His chances are mostly limited because they play such a disciplined system. But he's unflappable. After every loss last playoffs, even after the ones where he got pulled, he was on top of his game. Even for an older rookie, that's really impressive. He does kind of overcommit at times, but unlike Jake Allen he's only slightly out of position and doesn't completely lose his crease. His lateral movement is great, his glove is fantastic. After seeing him come down to a more reasonable numbers (but still very good), I wish we would have signed him to a more long-term deal instead of this short bridge. He'll cost us more now. I think it'll be really interesting to see what Washington and Holtby do, especially now that Backstrom just signed that big contract. If Holtby walks, where do you think he ends up? Be interesting now that he's 30, but that didn't deter Florida and Bobrovsky. Ahhhhhhh Henrik. I'll preface this by saying I appreciate everything he's done and he's obviously the top goalie in franchise history. But he knew what he was signing up for with the rebuild. He refused to be traded, which is fine as he has the NMC and earned that right. But man, once Shestyorkin showed up and Georgiev was getting more playing time, he has done NOTHING but sulk both on the bench and in the media. Some of the fanbase has soured on him because of this, me included. He's basically untradeable now. Larry Brooks, our main media guy, has been saying over the last couple months now that if the cap remains the same that the league might offer a compliance buyout, and they would use it on Hank. Sucks that it would end this way, but it is what it is. I also don't think I would like him as a teammate because of his demeanour. I don't like he throws tantrums on the ice, like throwing the net off a couple years ago against Pittsburgh during the play. He berates his D on the ice - if he did that in the dressing room and behind closed doors I'd be fine with it. He's supposed to be a leader and that's just not a style I agree with. The link below will show good examples of it. There's also the whole Derek Stephan thing when he told him to relax when Hank was throwing another hissy fit. Here's Don Cherry talking about it at 5:40. www.sportsnet.ca/hockey/nhl/ron-don-stepan-lundqvist-awful/In the article is said they were fine afterwards, but there were like a dozen Ottawa fans on Twitter after this game that apparently had seats close to the Rangers room (but grain of salt because Twitter) that said they heard someone smashing things and screaming that they wanted Stephan traded. Of course it was speculated to be Hank. Stephan did it during a timeout and was just telling him to relax, so it's like Hank can go an embarrass teammates but can't take it back. Another thing that soured him with the fanbase. Also, might have been a coincidence, but Stephan was traded the next month. There was a video of the two of them together on nhl.com with Paul Bissonnette joking a couple months ago so it either isn't true or they've made up. I like Georgiev. He's solid and has done a good job. NBC Sports in San Jose was speculating last week that they're going to trade their 2nd round pick this year for him. I'd prefer to keep him over Hank, but I would take that deal and ride out Hank next year and let him complete his contract. They also have Wall, Huska, and Lindbom in the pipeline so he can be expendable. They have JF Berube too but everyone thinks it's just to expose to Seattle. I like Binnington a lot too. Agree with what you said, and he has the demeanour I like in a goalie. It's like you can't faze him. And yeah, his next contract will be very interesting. Think Pietrangelo will stay? I have a feeling he will. I've been a big fan of his since his junior days. He was dominate at the world juniors, especially in 2010. I feel like there's a chance that they re-sign Holtby and use him as a safety net for Samsonov next season and then expose him to Seattle. But it's a risk either way. You either risk Samsonov regressing and being in a worse spot or you risk re-signing Holtby for what I'm pretty sure will be a big asking number and then having to commit that money not knowing what Seattle's plan is. Could be left holding the bag, and you know how hard it is to move high salary goalies. And they have to re-sign Ovi and Vrana next season. I honestly think Samsonov is the better goalie going forward but I wouldn't blame a team who chose to mitigate that risk by re-signing their Cup winning goalie. If they do pass on his price tag, I actually think Vancouver could make a run at him. I know most project him to places like Detroit or Buffalo, but I think he'd be looking for a contender almost as much as money. I've never heard those things about Lundqvist. I'm in Midwest US, so I'm not privy to HNIC broadcasts and NBC has never really mentioned anything of that sort. Weird too because Stepan was more known for his defense. Crazy, but I wouldn't blame them if they bought him out. It would be a shame to end that run with them that way, but it's the best move even before his issues. Georgiev is probably their best goalie rn, but it will soon be Shesty. I would take that top 2nd round pick as well. Crazy how relatively cheap really good goalies are. Like Frederik Andersen. Yeah, Binnington's demeanor is everything I never knew I wanted in a goalie. Unflappable, aloof, ridiculously fiery at times. I'm torn. I want Petro on this team for the next 4-5 years. But the problem is his ask is going to be like 9 or more, for 7-8 years. He's not a guy like Backes that you worry about dropping off soon, but the 2nd hlaf of that contract is probably gonna be ugly. I think his game is the type that ages well, but I have a very hard time believing he'd be a defenseman at 35, 36, 37 being worth that much money. Most defensemen aren't Lidstrom. We're seeing how tying up money in defenseman is working out in Chicago with Seabrook and Keith. Especially considering that Parayko already handled our top defensive assignments last playoffs, constantly matched up with the Schiefele, Seguin, Couture, and Bergeron lines. But I think given the money they gave Faulk already and Scandella, it's just really hard to think of how we fit him under the cap. Many of our fans believe it would be easy to move Allen and Bozak to open cap space, but I think Bozak would be tough to move without paying a bit. Especially if we're not expecting to take money back. Vince Dunn has also been floated as a guy to move to help facilitate fitting Petro back. The Faulk contract was just a rare bad move by Armstrong. But some think that was done as a back-up plan to Pietrangelo bolting.
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Post by HeyYo on May 29, 2020 15:37:14 GMT -5
I think it'll be really interesting to see what Washington and Holtby do, especially now that Backstrom just signed that big contract. If Holtby walks, where do you think he ends up? Be interesting now that he's 30, but that didn't deter Florida and Bobrovsky. Ahhhhhhh Henrik. I'll preface this by saying I appreciate everything he's done and he's obviously the top goalie in franchise history. But he knew what he was signing up for with the rebuild. He refused to be traded, which is fine as he has the NMC and earned that right. But man, once Shestyorkin showed up and Georgiev was getting more playing time, he has done NOTHING but sulk both on the bench and in the media. Some of the fanbase has soured on him because of this, me included. He's basically untradeable now. Larry Brooks, our main media guy, has been saying over the last couple months now that if the cap remains the same that the league might offer a compliance buyout, and they would use it on Hank. Sucks that it would end this way, but it is what it is. I also don't think I would like him as a teammate because of his demeanour. I don't like he throws tantrums on the ice, like throwing the net off a couple years ago against Pittsburgh during the play. He berates his D on the ice - if he did that in the dressing room and behind closed doors I'd be fine with it. He's supposed to be a leader and that's just not a style I agree with. The link below will show good examples of it. There's also the whole Derek Stephan thing when he told him to relax when Hank was throwing another hissy fit. Here's Don Cherry talking about it at 5:40. www.sportsnet.ca/hockey/nhl/ron-don-stepan-lundqvist-awful/In the article is said they were fine afterwards, but there were like a dozen Ottawa fans on Twitter after this game that apparently had seats close to the Rangers room (but grain of salt because Twitter) that said they heard someone smashing things and screaming that they wanted Stephan traded. Of course it was speculated to be Hank. Stephan did it during a timeout and was just telling him to relax, so it's like Hank can go an embarrass teammates but can't take it back. Another thing that soured him with the fanbase. Also, might have been a coincidence, but Stephan was traded the next month. There was a video of the two of them together on nhl.com with Paul Bissonnette joking a couple months ago so it either isn't true or they've made up. I like Georgiev. He's solid and has done a good job. NBC Sports in San Jose was speculating last week that they're going to trade their 2nd round pick this year for him. I'd prefer to keep him over Hank, but I would take that deal and ride out Hank next year and let him complete his contract. They also have Wall, Huska, and Lindbom in the pipeline so he can be expendable. They have JF Berube too but everyone thinks it's just to expose to Seattle. I like Binnington a lot too. Agree with what you said, and he has the demeanour I like in a goalie. It's like you can't faze him. And yeah, his next contract will be very interesting. Think Pietrangelo will stay? I have a feeling he will. I've been a big fan of his since his junior days. He was dominate at the world juniors, especially in 2010. I feel like there's a chance that they re-sign Holtby and use him as a safety net for Samsonov next season and then expose him to Seattle. But it's a risk either way. You either risk Samsonov regressing and being in a worse spot or you risk re-signing Holtby for what I'm pretty sure will be a big asking number and then having to commit that money not knowing what Seattle's plan is. Could be left holding the bag, and you know how hard it is to move high salary goalies. And they have to re-sign Ovi and Vrana next season. I honestly think Samsonov is the better goalie going forward but I wouldn't blame a team who chose to mitigate that risk by re-signing their Cup winning goalie. If they do pass on his price tag, I actually think Vancouver could make a run at him. I know most project him to places like Detroit or Buffalo, but I think he'd be looking for a contender almost as much as money. I've never heard those things about Lundqvist. I'm in Midwest US, so I'm not privy to HNIC broadcasts and NBC has never really mentioned anything of that sort. Weird too because Stepan was more known for his defense. Crazy, but I wouldn't blame them if they bought him out. It would be a shame to end that run with them that way, but it's the best move even before his issues. Georgiev is probably their best goalie rn, but it will soon be Shesty. I would take that top 2nd round pick as well. Crazy how relatively cheap really good goalies are. Like Frederik Andersen. Yeah, Binnington's demeanor is everything I never knew I wanted in a goalie. Unflappable, aloof, ridiculously fiery at times. I'm torn. I want Petro on this team for the next 4-5 years. But the problem is his ask is going to be like 9 or more, for 7-8 years. He's not a guy like Backes that you worry about dropping off soon, but the 2nd hlaf of that contract is probably gonna be ugly. I think his game is the type that ages well, but I have a very hard time believing he'd be a defenseman at 35, 36, 37 being worth that much money. Most defensemen aren't Lidstrom. We're seeing how tying up money in defenseman is working out in Chicago with Seabrook and Keith. Especially considering that Parayko already handled our top defensive assignments last playoffs, constantly matched up with the Schiefele, Seguin, Couture, and Bergeron lines. But I think given the money they gave Faulk already and Scandella, it's just really hard to think of how we fit him under the cap. Many of our fans believe it would be easy to move Allen and Bozak to open cap space, but I think Bozak would be tough to move without paying a bit. Especially if we're not expecting to take money back. Vince Dunn has also been floated as a guy to move to help facilitate fitting Petro back. The Faulk contract was just a rare bad move by Armstrong. But some think that was done as a back-up plan to Pietrangelo bolting. I agree with the Washington goalie situation. It'll be interesting to see who Seattle picks for their goalies; they'll do quite well, just like Vegas did with Fleury. Can see teams exposing decent goalies just to clear the cap space if they have a good replacement. And Vancouver with Markstrom will be VERY interesting with the contract coming up. That Luongo contract eating 3 million is still hard to believe. No shortage of hockey coverage in Canada for sure. It's like football, basketball, and baseball all rolled into one pretty much. Just sucks that the vast majority is towards the Leafs and their delusional fanbase. It's hard to stomach. You'd think they had the same success as the Patriots and it's been like this since I was born. Even commercials - the last year it's been non-stop Mitch Marner where they try too hard to make him look cool. It's almost cringe worthy. The latest to come out of it is that Leafs fans are upset because they think they're gonna win the cup this year and they might not be able to get a parade. I wish I was joking. Yeah I feel the same way about the D contracts. We're facing it now with Marc Staal. I didn't have a problem with the money, it was the term. He's too beat up and slow now, same with Girardi and they had to use the buy out for him. And yeah, my first reaction with Faulk was that Pietrangelo was gone, but yeah, my gut is telling me they'll make it work somehow. If the league does allow a compliance buy out, who do you think they'll pick? Allan maybe? Although that would only save a year but 4 million is 4 million. Here's an interesting thing that my friend told me last night. The Rangers might luck into Lafreniere with the Carolina and Toronto trade for Marleau's contract. I'll probably screw this up but it goes like: Toronto trades 1st round pick to Carolina to get rid of Marleau's contract It is top 10 protected and can be deferred to 2021 If Toronto loses in the play-in round this year they are entered into the lottery If Toronto gets in the top three they will keep the pick this year and trade next year's instead Brady Skjei is traded to Carolina for their 1st round pick this year It is the lower of their two 1st round picks between their own and the Toronto pick If they don't have Toronto's pick this year, the Rangers get their pick no matter what Carolina will be in the lottery if they lose in the play-in, and could win the lottery and get first overall That's pretty nuts. Rangers I think were undefeated against Carolina this year and I think Columbus is a bad match up for Toronto. Columbus lost a lot of scoring this year but that grinding Tortorella style is exactly what the Leafs hate. I could see guys like Nylander just folding and giving up. And although they lost the scoring and Bob, I think them beating Tampa last year could still give them the confidence. What do you think of the potential hub cities where they'll play? Vegas, Dallas, and LA are listed. Curious to see what the ice would be like if they do play in July and August with those temperatures.
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Post by sfvega on May 30, 2020 5:55:00 GMT -5
I agree with the Washington goalie situation. It'll be interesting to see who Seattle picks for their goalies; they'll do quite well, just like Vegas did with Fleury. Can see teams exposing decent goalies just to clear the cap space if they have a good replacement. And Vancouver with Markstrom will be VERY interesting with the contract coming up. That Luongo contract eating 3 million is still hard to believe. No shortage of hockey coverage in Canada for sure. It's like football, basketball, and baseball all rolled into one pretty much. Just sucks that the vast majority is towards the Leafs and their delusional fanbase. It's hard to stomach. You'd think they had the same success as the Patriots and it's been like this since I was born. Even commercials - the last year it's been non-stop Mitch Marner where they try too hard to make him look cool. It's almost cringe worthy. The latest to come out of it is that Leafs fans are upset because they think they're gonna win the cup this year and they might not be able to get a parade. I wish I was joking. Yeah I feel the same way about the D contracts. We're facing it now with Marc Staal. I didn't have a problem with the money, it was the term. He's too beat up and slow now, same with Girardi and they had to use the buy out for him. And yeah, my first reaction with Faulk was that Pietrangelo was gone, but yeah, my gut is telling me they'll make it work somehow. If the league does allow a compliance buy out, who do you think they'll pick? Allan maybe? Although that would only save a year but 4 million is 4 million. Here's an interesting thing that my friend told me last night. The Rangers might luck into Lafreniere with the Carolina and Toronto trade for Marleau's contract. I'll probably screw this up but it goes like: Toronto trades 1st round pick to Carolina to get rid of Marleau's contract It is top 10 protected and can be deferred to 2021 If Toronto loses in the play-in round this year they are entered into the lottery If Toronto gets in the top three they will keep the pick this year and trade next year's instead Brady Skjei is traded to Carolina for their 1st round pick this year It is the lower of their two 1st round picks between their own and the Toronto pick If they don't have Toronto's pick this year, the Rangers get their pick no matter what Carolina will be in the lottery if they lose in the play-in, and could win the lottery and get first overall That's pretty nuts. Rangers I think were undefeated against Carolina this year and I think Columbus is a bad match up for Toronto. Columbus lost a lot of scoring this year but that grinding Tortorella style is exactly what the Leafs hate. I could see guys like Nylander just folding and giving up. And although they lost the scoring and Bob, I think them beating Tampa last year could still give them the confidence. What do you think of the potential hub cities where they'll play? Vegas, Dallas, and LA are listed. Curious to see what the ice would be like if they do play in July and August with those temperatures. Yeah, I think the Markstrom situation is one to watch. If Holtby re-ups, Markstrom becomes probably the top FA goalie given that Lehner wasn't overly impressive this season. Leafs nation is insane. The only thing in the US that compares is Boston, especially with Jack Edwards. It's cult-like and they get propaganda aimed at them. Yes, delusional is the accurate word. Which is crazy because Toronto is crazy talented but their expectation is still so far out of wack with what the reality is. They'll tell you all day long that Auston is the best player in the game and has been for years. Sure, buddy. That's what everyone outside the bubble sees too..... Girardi was such a bum deal. You'd think that they'd learn their lesson, but then again they are really lacking stay-at-home defensemen. Staal is good, but he is getting older. If his ask it too much, I'd have no problem walking away, but then who takes that place? If we got a compliance buyout, it would likely be Steen but if we knew Petro would sign they could just buyout Faulk since that was basically a mistake from the get-go. Allen could easily be dealt to someone like Ottawa or Detroit I'd imagine. Even though I think he's kind of a bum, he's worth a free shot on a team full of bum goalies for 1 year. That is a nice ace in the hole, but I don't know how well Columbus qould fare against Toronto. But I didn't buy into them against Tampa last year either. Their defense looked a lot worse after Jones went out. He's had a lot of time to rest, but who knows how he'd look coming back after all that? If I knew Jones was back to 100% and they were dedicated to one goalie (I'd choose Merzlikins), then I'd give them a fighting chance. But still a slight underdog to Toronto. I think Minnesota or one of the Canadian cities is the best spot, as it's colder weather and has the virus more contained. LA sometimes has bad ice, but not as bad as Dallas or San Jose usually are. Dallas should be out on that point alone. It sucks to watch half a series played there where it becomes a factor, much less every single game in the playoffs being played there. I get it though, it's a huge city with tons of hotels. Probably easier to do logistically than St. Paul. Easier, but in no other way better or safer.
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Post by Lupin the Third on Jun 3, 2020 23:20:43 GMT -5
I want the complete insanity of a Chicago/Washington Stanley Cup.
They're both my teams, and it would make me happy.
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Post by Steveweiser on Jun 4, 2020 14:15:17 GMT -5
The NHL have confirmed that all playoff series following the qualifying round will be Best of 7 series, and teams will be reseeded after each round.
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Post by Steveweiser on Jun 12, 2020 23:00:21 GMT -5
Per the Las Vegas Review Journal, Las Vegas will be named as one of the two hub cities for the NHL Playoffs. The preferred other city is Toronto, but it depends on an announcement by federal government on quarantine rules.
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Post by sfvega on Jun 13, 2020 0:12:51 GMT -5
Per the Las Vegas Review Journal, Las Vegas will be named as one of the two hub cities for the NHL Playoffs. The preferred other city is Toronto, but it depends on an announcement by federal government on quarantine rules. They would be crazy to not have a Canadian city as a hub, unless there is an issue with travel. Their numbers are nothing compared to most of the US's big cities.
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Post by Steveweiser on Jun 16, 2020 12:28:13 GMT -5
Sportsnet quotes Canadian Prime Minister Justin Trudeau as saying that the federal government is "open" to the possibility of Toronto, Edmonton or Vancouver serving as a hub city in the NHL's restart - so if he's involved, there's a good chance Canada will have a city in play.
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Post by sfvega on Jun 16, 2020 15:40:16 GMT -5
Sportsnet quotes Canadian Prime Minister Justin Trudeau as saying that the federal government is "open" to the possibility of Toronto, Edmonton or Vancouver serving as a hub city in the NHL's restart - so if he's involved, there's a good chance Canada will have a city in play. With the likelihood of a 2nd wave, or more accurately a peak in our continual first wave, I would absolutely make Vancouver or Edmonton a hub city. Both are very attractive options. I've heard talk on Vegas, but I think that would be a distant 3rd in my mind.
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Post by Gus Richlen Was Wrong on Jun 19, 2020 14:22:42 GMT -5
And apparently the Lightning have a Coronavirus outbreak in camp.
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Post by sfvega on Jun 23, 2020 14:16:18 GMT -5
Ottawa's Stanley Cup is coming up on Friday. They get Lafreniere, they're golden. But even if not, if they stay as having a top 3 pick and two picks in the top 7/8, they're still set. This draft is about 10 or 11 players deep at the top. Plus, Ottawa has another 1st round pick and four 2nds. They could conceivably end up with three top 20 picks or have the ammo to trade up into three top 15 picks. The team that would really be screwed is Detroit. They need a gamebreaker in the worst way, and while I'm sure they'd still love Stutzle, Byfield or Drysdale, it would not be the same.
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Post by Cranjis McBasketball on Jun 23, 2020 18:42:10 GMT -5
Ottawa's Stanley Cup is coming up on Friday. They get Lafreniere, they're golden. But even if not, if they stay as having a top 3 pick and two picks in the top 7/8, they're still set. This draft is about 10 or 11 players deep at the top. Plus, Ottawa has another 1st round pick and four 2nds. They could conceivably end up with three top 20 picks or have the ammo to trade up into three top 15 picks. The team that would really be screwed is Detroit. They need a gamebreaker in the worst way, and while I'm sure they'd still love Stutzle, Byfield or Drysdale, it would not be the same. Ottawa can pick whoever they want, until they get a decent owner they are f***ed.
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Post by sfvega on Jun 24, 2020 7:32:05 GMT -5
Ottawa's Stanley Cup is coming up on Friday. They get Lafreniere, they're golden. But even if not, if they stay as having a top 3 pick and two picks in the top 7/8, they're still set. This draft is about 10 or 11 players deep at the top. Plus, Ottawa has another 1st round pick and four 2nds. They could conceivably end up with three top 20 picks or have the ammo to trade up into three top 15 picks. The team that would really be screwed is Detroit. They need a gamebreaker in the worst way, and while I'm sure they'd still love Stutzle, Byfield or Drysdale, it would not be the same. Ottawa can pick whoever they want, until they get a decent owner they are f***ed. Yeah, everyone has known that for years and it's why I made fun of them at the start of the post.
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Post by DASH 243✅ on Jun 25, 2020 20:18:53 GMT -5
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Post by Deleted on Jun 26, 2020 19:26:24 GMT -5
And the team that gets to draft #1 is...
TBD as it's going to a team that loses in the opening round! Kings get #2 and the Sens get #3.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 26, 2020 19:27:33 GMT -5
And the team that gets to draft #1 is... TBD as it's going to a team that loses in the opening round! Kings get #2 and the Sens get #3. That's bizarre and yet not even top 25 bizarre in a f***ing paradigm shift year.
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