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Post by Deleted on Sept 16, 2020 8:47:55 GMT -5
Not great reports coming out about the financial side of the league. I actually think this could be a blessing in disguise as the league has dragged their feet on moving a clearly failed Arizona franchise and mostly turned a blind eye to Florida as well, but it sucks for their employees. The league likely won't be afforded those same opportunities to procrastinate going forward. I've never understood why they haven't moved Arizona to Quebec to begin with. I understand that the US dollar is higher than the Canadian, but wouldn't you rather have a stable franchise in a devoted market in a centrally-located arena with fans in the seats and merch actually selling? I've never understood their aversion to that. TV revenue is one thing. In America, Canadian teams are very unpopular due to how they don't factor in with the Nielsen ratings so unless it's Toronto or Montreal, why would you waste a slot on a team from a market some casual can't find on a map? Another is Bettman's stubborn nature when it came to Arizona. No matter how much it didn't work out, he wanted it to work as failure was not an option. Meanwhile, I'm seeing Tillman Ferretia over in Houston thinking he can finally get that team for tree fiddy.
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Post by sfvega on Sept 16, 2020 12:23:49 GMT -5
Not great reports coming out about the financial side of the league. I actually think this could be a blessing in disguise as the league has dragged their feet on moving a clearly failed Arizona franchise and mostly turned a blind eye to Florida as well, but it sucks for their employees. The league likely won't be afforded those same opportunities to procrastinate going forward. I've never understood why they haven't moved Arizona to Quebec to begin with. I understand that the US dollar is higher than the Canadian, but wouldn't you rather have a stable franchise in a devoted market in a centrally-located arena with fans in the seats and merch actually selling? I've never understood their aversion to that. TV revenue is one thing. In America, Canadian teams are very unpopular due to how they don't factor in with the Nielsen ratings so unless it's Toronto or Montreal, why would you waste a slot on a team from a market some casual can't find on a map? Another is Bettman's stubborn nature when it came to Arizona. No matter how much it didn't work out, he wanted it to work as failure was not an option. Meanwhile, I'm seeing Tillman Ferretia over in Houston thinking he can finally get that team for tree fiddy. Their national TV revenue is fixed though, and it isn't effected any more than it would be by Arizona/Florida being poor draws to begin with. You mean like ad-wise or local TV deals? Because it's not like they get paid per Nielsen ratings. NBCSN/Sportsnet give them X amount for rights of the league as a whole which is mostly based on the league as a whole and not how lower tier teams draw. The later games which Arizona is in usually draw poorly anyway because they start at 9/10 Eastern and 8/9 Central so a lot of the US is asleep when the game ends anyway. The value of a smaller Canadian market is the stability. Winnipeg, for instance, is a more stable market than half the warm-weather cities the NHL expanded to. Houston is a huge market and it's American money, but Phoenix was once a giant juicy market as well. It's not exactly a lay-up. I think it's a fair compromise if you're going to swing big for Houston, that the league should also just take the stability of Quebec. Esp given that I think Houston wants an expansion team rather than an established franchise. So Arizona will still be a problem regardless, unless KC is back in the fold.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 16, 2020 13:04:41 GMT -5
TV revenue is one thing. In America, Canadian teams are very unpopular due to how they don't factor in with the Nielsen ratings so unless it's Toronto or Montreal, why would you waste a slot on a team from a market some casual can't find on a map? Another is Bettman's stubborn nature when it came to Arizona. No matter how much it didn't work out, he wanted it to work as failure was not an option. Meanwhile, I'm seeing Tillman Ferretia over in Houston thinking he can finally get that team for tree fiddy. Their national TV revenue is fixed though, and it isn't effected any more than it would be by Arizona/Florida being poor draws to begin with. You mean like ad-wise or local TV deals? Because it's not like they get paid per Nielsen ratings. NBCSN/Sportsnet give them X amount for rights of the league as a whole which is mostly based on the league as a whole and not how lower tier teams draw. The later games which Arizona is in usually draw poorly anyway because they start at 9/10 Eastern and 8/9 Central so a lot of the US is asleep when the game ends anyway. The value of a smaller Canadian market is the stability. Winnipeg, for instance, is a more stable market than half the warm-weather cities the NHL expanded to. Houston is a huge market and it's American money, but Phoenix was once a giant juicy market as well. It's not exactly a lay-up. I think it's a fair compromise if you're going to swing big for Houston, that the league should also just take the stability of Quebec. Esp given that I think Houston wants an expansion team rather than an established franchise. So Arizona will still be a problem regardless, unless KC is back in the fold. TV revenue remains constant, but for whatever reason, they're so affixed at the idea that another Canadian market being detrimental to the league when Florida and Arizona struggle to maintain interest in their own markets (at least Nashville, Tampa Bay, and Carolina have fanbases, and in the case of Carolina, low attendance can be attributed to venue size and lack of success for over a decade). However, their refusal to show Canadian teams on American television, in my opinion, hurts the awareness of the product, as it limits the marketability of starts to casual fans. Honestly, I think Houston and Quebec are the ideal relocation markets, since it's way too early to expand to 33 or 34 teams just yet. You get a stable market in Quebec City with an arena that is already there and NHL ready, with a fanbase more than willing to plunk down money and sell out game after game, regardless of said team's success. If anyone wants to use Winnipeg as a criticism of this stability, the only problem Winnipeg currently has right now is over saturation, with an NHL team and an AHL team in the same venue, and a WHL team building a barn in the outskirts. In Quebec, the only other competition would be a QMJHL club. However, Tillman should just accept relocation, because Tillman has proved countless times since he bought the Rockets and the Toyota Center that his knowledge of hockey is so bad he might as well call a zamboni a "zucchini". He believes that, as the owner of an arena in such a major market, he should get a team at a discount, but the NHL isn't going to give it to him at a fraction of what the Golden Knights and the Kraken paid to get into the league 'cuz that's not how inflation works. He also is uncertain about the success of hockey in the Sun Belt, despite there actually being a team in Dallas that just hosted a Winter Classic at the Cotton Bowl and has been in the state for nearly 30 years.
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Post by sfvega on Sept 16, 2020 13:41:23 GMT -5
Their national TV revenue is fixed though, and it isn't effected any more than it would be by Arizona/Florida being poor draws to begin with. You mean like ad-wise or local TV deals? Because it's not like they get paid per Nielsen ratings. NBCSN/Sportsnet give them X amount for rights of the league as a whole which is mostly based on the league as a whole and not how lower tier teams draw. The later games which Arizona is in usually draw poorly anyway because they start at 9/10 Eastern and 8/9 Central so a lot of the US is asleep when the game ends anyway. The value of a smaller Canadian market is the stability. Winnipeg, for instance, is a more stable market than half the warm-weather cities the NHL expanded to. Houston is a huge market and it's American money, but Phoenix was once a giant juicy market as well. It's not exactly a lay-up. I think it's a fair compromise if you're going to swing big for Houston, that the league should also just take the stability of Quebec. Esp given that I think Houston wants an expansion team rather than an established franchise. So Arizona will still be a problem regardless, unless KC is back in the fold. TV revenue remains constant, but for whatever reason, they're so affixed at the idea that another Canadian market being detrimental to the league when Florida and Arizona struggle to maintain interest in their own markets (at least Nashville, Tampa Bay, and Carolina have fanbases, and in the case of Carolina, low attendance can be attributed to venue size and lack of success for over a decade). However, their refusal to show Canadian teams on American television, in my opinion, hurts the awareness of the product, as it limits the marketability of starts to casual fans. Honestly, I think Houston and Quebec are the ideal relocation markets, since it's way too early to expand to 33 or 34 teams just yet. You get a stable market in Quebec City with an arena that is already there and NHL ready, with a fanbase more than willing to plunk down money and sell out game after game, regardless of said team's success. If anyone wants to use Winnipeg as a criticism of this stability, the only problem Winnipeg currently has right now is over saturation, with an NHL team and an AHL team in the same venue, and a WHL team building a barn in the outskirts. In Quebec, the only other competition would be a QMJHL club. However, Tillman should just accept relocation, because Tillman has proved countless times since he bought the Rockets and the Toyota Center that his knowledge of hockey is so bad he might as well call a zamboni a "zucchini". He believes that, as the owner of an arena in such a major market, he should get a team at a discount, but the NHL isn't going to give it to him at a fraction of what the Golden Knights and the Kraken paid to get into the league 'cuz that's not how inflation works. He also is uncertain about the success of hockey in the Sun Belt, despite there actually being a team in Dallas that just hosted a Winter Classic at the Cotton Bowl and has been in the state for nearly 30 years. I agree with most of that. The arena in Quebec is a huge plus. I'd rather Houston just bought a franchise instead of expansion, and it would undoubtedly be cheaper anyway. I think with Chicago and Pittsburgh becoming less relevant, they will start featuring more teams with speed and young talent like Colorado and NYR. Toronto and Edmonton have already been somewhat featured. Boston will continue to be featured bc they're a strong market.
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Post by HMARK Center on Sept 17, 2020 17:00:16 GMT -5
TV revenue remains constant, but for whatever reason, they're so affixed at the idea that another Canadian market being detrimental to the league when Florida and Arizona struggle to maintain interest in their own markets (at least Nashville, Tampa Bay, and Carolina have fanbases, and in the case of Carolina, low attendance can be attributed to venue size and lack of success for over a decade). However, their refusal to show Canadian teams on American television, in my opinion, hurts the awareness of the product, as it limits the marketability of starts to casual fans. Honestly, I think Houston and Quebec are the ideal relocation markets, since it's way too early to expand to 33 or 34 teams just yet. You get a stable market in Quebec City with an arena that is already there and NHL ready, with a fanbase more than willing to plunk down money and sell out game after game, regardless of said team's success. If anyone wants to use Winnipeg as a criticism of this stability, the only problem Winnipeg currently has right now is over saturation, with an NHL team and an AHL team in the same venue, and a WHL team building a barn in the outskirts. In Quebec, the only other competition would be a QMJHL club. However, Tillman should just accept relocation, because Tillman has proved countless times since he bought the Rockets and the Toyota Center that his knowledge of hockey is so bad he might as well call a zamboni a "zucchini". He believes that, as the owner of an arena in such a major market, he should get a team at a discount, but the NHL isn't going to give it to him at a fraction of what the Golden Knights and the Kraken paid to get into the league 'cuz that's not how inflation works. He also is uncertain about the success of hockey in the Sun Belt, despite there actually being a team in Dallas that just hosted a Winter Classic at the Cotton Bowl and has been in the state for nearly 30 years. I agree with most of that. The arena in Quebec is a huge plus. I'd rather Houston just bought a franchise instead of expansion, and it would undoubtedly be cheaper anyway. I think with Chicago and Pittsburgh becoming less relevant, they will start featuring more teams with speed and young talent like Colorado and NYR. Toronto and Edmonton have already been somewhat featured. Boston will continue to be featured bc they're a strong market. I haven't kept up with the national broadcast schedules lately, but man, the era of the Bettman Six does desperately need to come to an end. It's not that I don't get why the clubs in that group were usually featured (typically Pitt, Philly, and the US-based Original Six teams, though sometimes Washington would get swapped in for Detroit...only other club that'd get some national spots in not-as-primetime slots was Buffalo thanks to their great local ratings); most of them are stable markets that can bring in decent numbers, and most of them have been competitive for a pretty decent length of time, plus why wouldn't you put a spotlight on Crosby, Ovi, etc. The problem is that it's basically been those teams on a repeated loop since about 2008-2009, with shockingly little variation or exposure to other clubs even during times when organizations like the California teams were putting on good products or now when the league sees emerging powers in places like Colorado, and during seasons when some of those "Bettman Six" clubs weren't even doing so well (e.g. Philly and NYR not having the greatest consistency in making the playoffs). They started that ridiculous "Wednesday Night Rivalry" gimmick for NBC Sports and would put on something ridiculous like Boston vs. Philly with the excuse "Well, they met in the playoffs about 40-plus years ago..." while both clubs have actual rivalries that could've showcased some harder hitting hockey and rabid fanbases screaming bloody murder in the stands (e.g. Boston/Montreal). Basically, the league should be showcasing its best teams and its best players, period, no matter where they are, or when possible they should be showcasing the up and coming young stars-to-be and the actual best rivalries in the league. I get the allure of "Oh, get the NYC or Chicago market in there, they'll pull numbers", but you don't make new fans that way, you make them by showcasing your best, and right now that means the dynamic duo in Edmonton, a team that gets zero US exposure due to those Nielsen ratings concerns, or even the Hurricanes, who have a young core that's gotten a lot of people's attention outside of Raleigh, or showing a true rivalry game even if it involves a Canadian team, anything that isn't just the same old shit week in and week out.
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Post by horsemen4ever on Sept 17, 2020 21:42:23 GMT -5
For some reason, the NHL is doing everything in its power to get Tampa Bay into the finals for some reason. A double minor in OT again, it is a joke. How about a regular 2 minute power play. Every herd of the term let the players decide the game.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 17, 2020 21:45:38 GMT -5
For some reason, the NHL is doing everything in its power to get Tampa Bay into the finals for some reason. A double minor in OT again, it is a joke. How about a regular 2 minute power play. Every herd of the term let the players decide the game. Man, I have no horse in this race after the Hurricanes lost Svechnikov, but, screw it; I want the Islanders. Haven't been in the Finals since the 80s.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 17, 2020 21:58:06 GMT -5
I agree with most of that. The arena in Quebec is a huge plus. I'd rather Houston just bought a franchise instead of expansion, and it would undoubtedly be cheaper anyway. I think with Chicago and Pittsburgh becoming less relevant, they will start featuring more teams with speed and young talent like Colorado and NYR. Toronto and Edmonton have already been somewhat featured. Boston will continue to be featured bc they're a strong market. I haven't kept up with the national broadcast schedules lately, but man, the era of the Bettman Six does desperately need to come to an end. It's not that I don't get why the clubs in that group were usually featured (typically Pitt, Philly, and the US-based Original Six teams, though sometimes Washington would get swapped in for Detroit...only other club that'd get some national spots in not-as-primetime slots was Buffalo thanks to their great local ratings); most of them are stable markets that can bring in decent numbers, and most of them have been competitive for a pretty decent length of time, plus why wouldn't you put a spotlight on Crosby, Ovi, etc. The problem is that it's basically been those teams on a repeated loop since about 2008-2009, with shockingly little variation or exposure to other clubs even during times when organizations like the California teams were putting on good products or now when the league sees emerging powers in places like Colorado, and during seasons when some of those "Bettman Six" clubs weren't even doing so well (e.g. Philly and NYR not having the greatest consistency in making the playoffs). They started that ridiculous "Wednesday Night Rivalry" gimmick for NBC Sports and would put on something ridiculous like Boston vs. Philly with the excuse "Well, they met in the playoffs about 40-plus years ago..." while both clubs have actual rivalries that could've showcased some harder hitting hockey and rabid fanbases screaming bloody murder in the stands (e.g. Boston/Montreal). Basically, the league should be showcasing its best teams and its best players, period, no matter where they are, or when possible they should be showcasing the up and coming young stars-to-be and the actual best rivalries in the league. I get the allure of "Oh, get the NYC or Chicago market in there, they'll pull numbers", but you don't make new fans that way, you make them by showcasing your best, and right now that means the dynamic duo in Edmonton, a team that gets zero US exposure due to those Nielsen ratings concerns, or even the Hurricanes, who have a young core that's gotten a lot of people's attention outside of Raleigh, or showing a true rivalry game even if it involves a Canadian team, anything that isn't just the same old shit week in and week out. Oh, yeah, that bullshit. "Remember when Bobby Orr and the Broad Street Bullies faced off?" THEY HAVEN'T BEEN ON THE ICE IN NEARLY 40 YEARS!!! Meanwhile, people in Boston could literally go across the Canadian border and take a dump in someone's poutine given how much they have hated the Canadiens for generations, and nobody on NBC Sports wants to emphasize that kind of hatred, which ironically, casual fans would be very fascinated by. However, you can only show the same clubs over and over again that market fatigue sets in, and in my opinion, that has happened years ago. If you have Chicago on 10 times a year, Philadelphia 12 times a year, and Boston 8 times a year, while the team that won the Stanley Cup is lucky to get on 4 times a year and half of your remaining teams have 2 or less appearances, that does not bode well for building casual awareness for anything interesting that's budding in the league that you may want to grab attention towards. This league can do so much as far as getting interest, and yet, they're so concerned for the lookie-loos, that they ignore potential hidden gems that could bring in casual fans and maybe turn them into diehards.
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Post by Lupin the Third on Sept 17, 2020 22:20:00 GMT -5
And the Finals for Lord Stanley's Cup has been set.
The Tampa Bay Lightning vs. The Dallas Stars.
Let's Go Stars.
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Post by MolotovMocktail on Sept 18, 2020 2:13:36 GMT -5
Texas vs. Florida. All across Canada, there is surely a massive epidemic of strokes and coronaries.
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Post by sfvega on Sept 18, 2020 4:10:13 GMT -5
Texas vs. Florida. All across Canada, there is surely a massive epidemic of strokes and coronaries. Now Ontario and Alberta need to become the NCAAF recruiting hotbed to counter them.
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Post by warden on Sept 18, 2020 11:27:34 GMT -5
Texas vs. Florida. All across Canada, there is surely a massive epidemic of strokes and coronaries. You have no idea. The hockey analysts here are the worst. With no canadian teams in the playoffs they're all "Hmm this finals kind of stink. Let's talk about what the leafs can do to improve next year and not lose to a zamboni driver. But first let's take time to talk about their golf game." Isn't your job to be promoting the sport not going against it? And they wonder why it never grows
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Post by fw91 on Sept 18, 2020 16:10:38 GMT -5
I loathe me some fish sticks, but I have to tip my cap to the Islanders. Barry Trotz is phenomenal. Great run.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 19, 2020 13:24:34 GMT -5
ECHL is expanding to Iowa City/Coralville in 2021, and will be owned by the same group who currently operates Newfoundland and the Trois-Rivières team that will also launch in 2021.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 19, 2020 13:25:59 GMT -5
Texas vs. Florida. All across Canada, there is surely a massive epidemic of strokes and coronaries. You have no idea. The hockey analysts here are the worst. With no canadian teams in the playoffs they're all "Hmm this finals kind of stink. Let's talk about what the leafs can do to improve next year and not lose to a zamboni driver. But first let's take time to talk about their golf game." Isn't your job to be promoting the sport not going against it? And they wonder why it never grows Gatekeepers gotta gatekeep.
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Post by Seth Drakin of Monster Crap on Sept 19, 2020 20:11:50 GMT -5
Dallas leads Tampa Bay 3-1 after the 2nd period
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Post by Seth Drakin of Monster Crap on Sept 19, 2020 20:12:30 GMT -5
Oh and Patrick Maroon is out for 10 minutes do to shooting a puck at the Stars bench at the end of the 2nd.
So he is gonna not be in the game for half the third period.
That is what you call being a f***ing idiot.
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Post by Gus Richlen Was Wrong on Sept 19, 2020 20:59:51 GMT -5
*THUDTHUD* DALLAS! *THUD* STARS! *THUDTHUD* DALLAS! *THUD* STARS! *THUDTHUD* DALLAS! *THUD* STARS! *THUDTHUD* DALLAS! *THUD* STARS!
*PANTERA RIFF ENSUES*
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Post by Seth Drakin of Monster Crap on Sept 19, 2020 21:19:09 GMT -5
*THUDTHUD* DALLAS! *THUD* STARS!*THUDTHUD* DALLAS! *THUD* STARS!*THUDTHUD* DALLAS! *THUD* STARS!*THUDTHUD* DALLAS! *THUD* STARS!*PANTERA RIFF ENSUES* 3 more wins to go.
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Post by burdette25159 on Sept 19, 2020 23:14:28 GMT -5
Dallas Stars draw first blood
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