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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Oct 6, 2019 15:08:37 GMT -5
Whether Martin likes the movies or not is irrelevant
Him saying it isn't cinema is flat out wrong. The worst movie is still a movie so to dismiss it is being incredibly high brow for no reason other than to act like your shit don't stink
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Post by Mighty Attack Tribble on Oct 6, 2019 15:33:02 GMT -5
It's easy to dismiss the merits of thing you have no knowledge of, and the fact you do so reflects more badly on you than on the object of your scorn. But isn't this comment also applicable to people on the internet who haven't (yet?) read the full Empire interview in which Scorsese makes these comments about not seeing the Marvel movies? Which is nothing if not ironic. It's unclear from the actual published Empire piece how, when, why, and in what order of the conversation with the interviewer Scorsese' comments about the MCU even occurred. However, Scorsese praises a movie like Midsommar before he talks about the MCU--"he editing, the camera moves — glorious! And the image of her in the flowers? My God!" If we, as readers, want to know about the kind of "cinema" that excites him, if it isn't the MCU, the Empire article gives us one example, at the bare minimum. At the very least, the MCU provides us with an excellent moment that accurately encapsulates this controversy. The "reading" isn't necessary, though. Scorsese didn't say "Marvel movies aren't the kind of cinema that excites me," he said "That's not cinema," which is factually, objectively wrong regardless of anything else said in the interview. He stated a flat, black-and-white opinion that needs no context to be understood.
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Post by The Thread Barbi on Oct 6, 2019 16:01:16 GMT -5
I have the sudden urge for Scorsese to comment on WWE films just to hear Vince McMahon lash out.
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Post by Cyno on Oct 6, 2019 16:28:27 GMT -5
But isn't this comment also applicable to people on the internet who haven't (yet?) read the full Empire interview in which Scorsese makes these comments about not seeing the Marvel movies? Which is nothing if not ironic. It's unclear from the actual published Empire piece how, when, why, and in what order of the conversation with the interviewer Scorsese' comments about the MCU even occurred. However, Scorsese praises a movie like Midsommar before he talks about the MCU--"he editing, the camera moves — glorious! And the image of her in the flowers? My God!" If we, as readers, want to know about the kind of "cinema" that excites him, if it isn't the MCU, the Empire article gives us one example, at the bare minimum. At the very least, the MCU provides us with an excellent moment that accurately encapsulates this controversy. The "reading" isn't necessary, though. Scorsese didn't say "Marvel movies aren't the kind of cinema that excites me," he said "That's not cinema," which is factually, objectively wrong regardless of anything else said in the interview. He stated a flat, black-and-white opinion that needs no context to be understood. Yeah, I read the whole article and the context of the rest of the article is completely irrelevant to what most of us are objecting to.
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Post by A Platypus Rave on Oct 6, 2019 16:30:09 GMT -5
The "reading" isn't necessary, though. Scorsese didn't say "Marvel movies aren't the kind of cinema that excites me," he said "That's not cinema," which is factually, objectively wrong regardless of anything else said in the interview. He stated a flat, black-and-white opinion that needs no context to be understood. Yeah, I read the whole article and the context of the rest of the article is completely irrelevant to what most of us are objecting to. yeah... again. NO ONE IS STATING HE HAS TO LIKE IT. The point is he's claiming it's not Cinema... and that is just flat out incorrect.
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Post by Cyno on Oct 6, 2019 16:54:20 GMT -5
Laughing and crying at a movie in an almost universal cinematic audience reaction around the world. It would be weird for example to see a comedy at a cinema and have no one laughing at all. Cheering, not so much. Seems more like a mostly American thing. Maybe that is unique to America because I've definitely been in my fair share of movie theaters where the crowd claps at the credits or cheers when a beloved character saves the day.
But no laughing or crying at all? I seriously can't believe that unless one watches movies with emotionless robots.
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Post by Mighty Attack Tribble on Oct 6, 2019 16:59:16 GMT -5
Yeah, I read the whole article and the context of the rest of the article is completely irrelevant to what most of us are objecting to. yeah... again. NO ONE IS STATING HE HAS TO LIKE IT. The point is he's claiming it's not Cinema... and that is just flat out incorrect. Scorsese is essentially doing what Jim Cornette does whenever he goes on a rant about what Joey Ryan and Kenny Omega do as not being wrestling.
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Post by Mighty Attack Tribble on Oct 6, 2019 17:12:39 GMT -5
Laughing and crying at a movie in an almost universal cinematic audience reaction around the world. It would be weird for example to see a comedy at a cinema and have no one laughing at all. Cheering, not so much. Seems more like a mostly American thing. Maybe that is unique to America because I've definitely been in my fair share of movie theaters where the crowd claps at the credits or cheers when a beloved character saves the day.
But no laughing or crying at all? I seriously can't believe that unless one watches movies with emotionless robots.
Having watched a good share of movies in both America and the U.K. I can definitely say that Americans are generally more vocal and reactionary, while in the U.K. we're a little more reserved by will still react to stuff. For example, I saw John Wick 3 twice and any time someone got their balls traumatised people laughed and did the typical "Ooooh!" reaction. Endgame had people cheering when Cap summoned Mjolnir, when Carol decimated Thanos' ship, and plenty of people leaving had red eyes from crying.
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Post by Cyno on Oct 6, 2019 17:16:11 GMT -5
Maybe that is unique to America because I've definitely been in my fair share of movie theaters where the crowd claps at the credits or cheers when a beloved character saves the day.
But no laughing or crying at all? I seriously can't believe that unless one watches movies with emotionless robots.
Having watched a good share of movies in both America and the U.K. I can definitely say that Americans are generally more vocal and reactionary, while in the U.K. we're a little more reserved by will still react to stuff. For example, I saw John Wick 3 twice and any time someone got their balls traumatised people laughed and did the typical "Ooooh!" reaction. Endgame had people cheering when Cap summoned Mjolnir, when Carol decimated Thanos' ship, and plenty of people leaving had red eyes from crying. I teared up a little at the end of Endgame, but the most recent movies that made me outright cry were Les Miserables and Rent. But then the original musicals made me cry, too.
Shit, I cried at the first 10 minutes of Up, too.
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Post by Mighty Attack Tribble on Oct 6, 2019 17:21:48 GMT -5
Having watched a good share of movies in both America and the U.K. I can definitely say that Americans are generally more vocal and reactionary, while in the U.K. we're a little more reserved by will still react to stuff. For example, I saw John Wick 3 twice and any time someone got their balls traumatised people laughed and did the typical "Ooooh!" reaction. Endgame had people cheering when Cap summoned Mjolnir, when Carol decimated Thanos' ship, and plenty of people leaving had red eyes from crying. I teared up a little at the end of Endgame, but the most recent movies that made me outright cry were Les Miserables and Rent. But then the original musicals made me cry, too.
Shit, I cried at the first 10 minutes of Up, too.
I can't think of many movies I've cried at, but the last three were all Marvel: Endgame (Scott reuniting with Cassie), Captain Marvel (Talos reuniting with his family), and Guardians of the Galaxy Vol. 3 (Peter and Ego "playing ball")... yeah, since becoming a father I've become a real sucker for parent-children stuff.
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Post by A Platypus Rave on Oct 6, 2019 18:15:51 GMT -5
Having watched a good share of movies in both America and the U.K. I can definitely say that Americans are generally more vocal and reactionary, while in the U.K. we're a little more reserved by will still react to stuff. For example, I saw John Wick 3 twice and any time someone got their balls traumatised people laughed and did the typical "Ooooh!" reaction. Endgame had people cheering when Cap summoned Mjolnir, when Carol decimated Thanos' ship, and plenty of people leaving had red eyes from crying. I teared up a little at the end of Endgame, but the most recent movies that made me outright cry were Les Miserables and Rent. But then the original musicals made me cry, too.
Shit, I cried at the first 10 minutes of Up, too.
The opening of Up is a good way to see if someone is a robot or not >_>
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Post by abjordans on Oct 6, 2019 18:37:39 GMT -5
Nope they are awesome.
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Post by YAKMAN is ICHIBAN on Oct 6, 2019 19:53:18 GMT -5
I teared up a little at the end of Endgame, but the most recent movies that made me outright cry were Les Miserables and Rent. But then the original musicals made me cry, too.
Shit, I cried at the first 10 minutes of Up, too.
The opening of Up is a good way to see if someone is a robot or not >_> My wife and I got in the car after the movie and she just started bawling for like 5 minutes. She cried at Horton Hears a Who, so Up just destroyed her.
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Post by Jiren on Oct 6, 2019 20:13:48 GMT -5
Never once cried at a movie...sorry
Endgame was more annoying than tear jerking for me
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Post by HMARK Center on Oct 6, 2019 20:39:15 GMT -5
yeah... again. NO ONE IS STATING HE HAS TO LIKE IT. The point is he's claiming it's not Cinema... and that is just flat out incorrect. Scorsese is essentially doing what Jim Cornette does whenever he goes on a rant about what Joey Ryan and Kenny Omega do as not being wrestling. I really don't think we're near that tier of disgruntled ranting, here. More than anything I think we're getting into a semantics hole; Scorsese clearly has a definition of what constitutes "cinema" to him. Unfortunately, given the article we're working off here, we don't know exactly what that is beyond the brief sentence about emotions/psychology, and don't know what his definition is for material that doesn't meet his criteria. Not to say I agree with the phrasing, mind you, but I think there are more interesting topics of conversation to pick apart based on Scorsese's words. For example, I'm kind of at a point where I'm having a harder and harder time watching just about anything Disney produces (they're not alone on this, just the biggest dog in the yard) and seeing it as a work of cinema standing on its own merits, and not instead seeing it as part of Disney's larger corporate strategies. I personally wouldn't phrase it as "they're not cinema", but I feel like I know what he's getting at (though perhaps I'm totally wrong!) when I think about how I've felt watching some of that output over the past few years.
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Post by arrogantmodel on Oct 10, 2019 13:53:42 GMT -5
Now Jennifer Aniston is piling on.
Are these people mad that their romantic comedies aren't making billions? They don't have to star in or see these movies. What's the point of badmouthing them?
We had Superman in the 80s. Batman in the 90s. And Spider-Man and X-Men in the early 2000s. And not all of those movies were good. Superhero movies are finally pretty deep and meaningful these days. They don't have to like them, but to say they're not cinema or that they're ruining cinema is absurd.
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Post by HMARK Center on Oct 10, 2019 14:05:28 GMT -5
Now Jennifer Aniston is piling on. Are these people mad that their romantic comedies aren't making billions? They don't have to star in or see these movies. What's the point of badmouthing them? We had Superman in the 80s. Batman in the 90s. And Spider-Man and X-Men in the early 2000s. And not all of those movies were good. Superhero movies are finally pretty deep and meaningful these days. They don't have to like them, but to say they're not cinema or that they're ruining cinema is absurd. Well, her critique is pretty much completely right about modern Hollywood; I think she's just using Marvel as her example because they happen to be the big dog in the yard right now. But her point is that Hollywood has given up on its "middle class"; there are gigantic tentpole blockbuster films that need to break $1 billion at the box office or be considered a failure, and then there's the indie level or award season prestige movies, with very, very little room for things like straightforward comedies, or high concept original films, or anything else. That model is likely leading to a major bubble burst in the future, because no society or industry that's so top heavy can really support itself forever.
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Post by Cyno on Oct 10, 2019 14:11:07 GMT -5
Now Jennifer Aniston is piling on. Are these people mad that their romantic comedies aren't making billions? They don't have to star in or see these movies. What's the point of badmouthing them? We had Superman in the 80s. Batman in the 90s. And Spider-Man and X-Men in the early 2000s. And not all of those movies were good. Superhero movies are finally pretty deep and meaningful these days. They don't have to like them, but to say they're not cinema or that they're ruining cinema is absurd. Well, her critique is pretty much completely right about modern Hollywood; I think she's just using Marvel as her example because they happen to be the big dog in the yard right now. But her point is that Hollywood has given up on its "middle class"; there are gigantic tentpole blockbuster films that need to break $1 billion at the box office or be considered a failure, and then there's the indie level or award season prestige movies, with very, very little room for things like straightforward comedies, or high concept original films, or anything else. That model is likely leading to a major bubble burst in the future, because no society or industry that's so top heavy can really support itself forever. It's the same thing in the video game industry. You've got the huge budget TRIPULLLLL AAAAAAAY </Jim Sterling> games that can make hand over fist in money but are somehow still considered disappointments because shareholders are greedy f***s. That in turn leads to lots of skeezy practices like lootboxes and microtransactions. And then you have the tiny studio indie games that get lots of love from the hardcore crowd (in a sea of awful asset flip garbage but that's besides the point). But there's nothing in between.
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Post by Hit Girl on Oct 10, 2019 14:11:13 GMT -5
yeah... again. NO ONE IS STATING HE HAS TO LIKE IT. The point is he's claiming it's not Cinema... and that is just flat out incorrect. Scorsese is essentially doing what Jim Cornette does whenever he goes on a rant about what Joey Ryan and Kenny Omega do as not being wrestling. Scorsese - "...coughs.....now lemme tell ya something about these f***ing Marvel so called, poor dogshit excuse for movies....coughs....these movies are a disgrace to the good name of cinema.....coughs....I've never seen such shitty characters like that damn Wasp Man or whatever his f***ing name is,....coughs.....The studio should be ashamed of themselves for producing such horseshit, and the only thing I marvel at is how how god damn stupid these f***ing fans are.......thank you, f*** you, bye"
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Post by Deleted on Oct 10, 2019 14:29:18 GMT -5
He's wrong on this. Doesn't matter if I like him or the movies, he's just wrong even when we break it down by the literal definition lol.
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