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Post by H-Virus on Nov 7, 2019 19:47:16 GMT -5
Not enough people are punching Sammy Guevara in his stupid face.
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Post by The 1Watcher Experience on Nov 7, 2019 19:55:43 GMT -5
Lack of promos. They don’t have to be these in ring ten minute deals that WWE does either. Just a minute or two backstage to help get a character and their motivations over. Watch an old episode of WWF Superstars. They did multiple ones every week and you knew where everyone was coming from. This isn’t WCW Nitro coming to TNT after being on television since the 70s. This is still a new promotion with a handful of PPVs and a month of television behind it to establish it so far. Viewers need to see more personality from the roster. It’s the only way to make them really care about the roster and for AEW to grow in popularity. Wrestling boom periods were driven by charismatic wrestlers that people cared about. Look at that Cody promo thread. You have people saying they never cared for Cody but they enjoyed hearing him cut that promo. I don’t know how they have MJF on the roster but they’re not having him talk every week. That’s a missed opportunity. They could be attracting so many new fans. Fans don’t talk about Roddy Piper’s wrestling ability too often. They sure talk about his promo skills and Piper’s Pit any time his name comes up. Personality goes a long way. AEW needs more of that. A lot of talent where we're given no reason to care about them, often the only way to tell they're face or heel is if they're facing a member of the Elite. Start defining people and giving them something to do, because being new isn't going to work as an excuse forever. Brit Baker isn't likeable. We get it, she's smart and talented, but we're given no reason to care about her other than she's being used as the Gail Kim of the company, for whatever reason. The whole Women's division is just kind of there. Rules are meaningless in tag matches and Face/Heel roles are too as a result. Double teaming is continual, the faces do it as much as, if not more than the heels ,so that dastardly heel tactic of two on one is kind of worthless as the other face can just hop on in at any point. The heels aren't doing anything heelish, they're not able to, they're not sneaking around behind the refs back because they're not even pretending to have rules. Four guys in the ring at once gets a lot less exciting when every team does it for most of the matches they're in, it just seems like kind of a clusterhug. Big spots are being pissed away in meaningless matches. Jack Evans is doing stuff like 450 splashes off the top ropes onto an opponent laid across chairs in nothing multi-man matches on dark and only getting a two count. Something that should be a huge deal is being turned into a 'So what?' spot and that's unsustainable, wrestling has barely recovered from that nonsense being widespread in the attitude era, do we really need a return to that in a major promotion? Lack of promo time for most of the roster. Peter Avalon has had more mic time than 90% of the roster because most of his gimmick is telling people to shush on his way to the ring. I don't want 15 minute promos between matches, but give guys something! If they can't talk that well live, do some pre-taped stuff and play it during the odd entrance or online, but I guess that would require them to have actual feuds first. Agreed with all of both of these. I'm all for a wrestling-driven sports-esque presentation show, but like...we still need personality ,we need characters, we need angles. They are ALWAYS what make memorable moments actually memorable. Tbh it's more of an overall critique I have with AEW- they have lots of great wrestlers...who just go out there seemingly to Get Their Shit In and do lots and lots of fast paced and elaborate moves and spots, especially in tags....that especially when the promo and angle/character content is limited, just makes things blur together sometimes. So many tope suicidas or tope con hilos, so many lucha-style cycle in and out double teams or offence rushes in tags...when it happens so frequently just starts to feel like an elaborate dance sequence more than wrestling. And don't get me wrong- I like a good crazy tag or spotfest now and then, but character, selling, and character-driven matches are what make wrestling matches memorable as more than a watch-and-forget flashy firework show for a limited attention span. Maybe wrestling's just moving away from me, or what I like in it (which, like, I'm a millenial so it's not even a generational thing), but I do wish AEW slowed things down, both in and out of the ring, and gave us a bit more highlighting of the personalities behind the roster, and more variety in match structure. They've not been too afraid to let matches end with non-finishers, which I'm very pleased about, but we need more of that, and more match length/structure- not everything needs to be a barnburner with both guys going a high octane relentless pace. Variety in wrestler types is good, variety in match types is good. Another- the entrance music. We're 6 weeks in and I still can't say that a lot of guys have particularly memorable music. Best Friends have amongst the most memorable, and it's basically a short repeating riff. And related to both of these...just everything with how they're handling Kenny Omega. The guy cooled a lot after he won the IWGP title sure, but man alive. 2017 through summer 2018 he was the hottest wrestler in the world, and now he just...he's there. He's there, he's wrestling decent enough matches but not really on his NJPW work's level, he's not really getting any promo time, he's fallen below Jericho, Cody, Moxley and probably PAC in terms of buzz, and at the moment there doesn't look to be any clear direction of how they plan to get him going again. Sure they've sort of messed with this "he's in a slump" angle, but it's not come up much and it's REALLY not a good look for him to the brand new TV viewers who won't be familiar with his years in Japan. He just kind of looks like a weird gamer who likes knees and everyone says is good even though he tends to drop the ball in big matches. And I'm a huge Omega mark, so maybe it's that, but he just comes off as very second-rate atm. And one final massive nitpick- please stop calling Evil Uno Evil Uno. Uno sounds better, 'Evil' in front sounds kinda hokey (Works for EVIL in NJPW, not so much here). Plus they may try to sell him as a bruising heavyweight but he's clearly not actually that big, just fat, and I'm not sure what you do about that but it is jarring. I say all this and it might give the impression I don't like AEW- I do, I'm a big fan, I'm watching every episode when I've not watched more than 2 Raws in a row since the Summer of Punk and before that 2008, Schiavone will ALWAYS be the #1 voice of wrestling for me with JR #2 and Excalibur is killing it, I like AEW a lot, but it's definitely got some flaws that stand out to me. Memorable catchy music can definitely hook fans. So many fans have love for old themes. Look how much music helped ECW when it was coming up. I can’t think of a single AEW them I look forward to hearing. It’s not a major complaint for me but it sure would help them. Tony Khan could afford some legit songs for some guys. That would help set them apart from WWE. I’ve seen people buzzing about NWA Power using a Dokken song. I watched that video. It was pretty cool. I wish they’d treat Kenny Omega with more care in regards to building him up. I imagine a new viewer had no idea about his cleaner gimmick and thought him carrying a barbed wire broom looked silly. Give him some promos and vignettes. Don’t assume everyone watched NJPW. This is his first major television exposure in the US. Give viewers more of an introduction and explanation as to why he’s special rather than just another flippy guy.
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Post by Tea & Crumpets on Nov 7, 2019 20:09:18 GMT -5
Memorable catchy music can definitely hook fans. So many fans have love for old themes. Look how much music helped ECW when it was coming up. I can’t think of a single AEW them I look forward to hearing. It’s not a major complaint for me but it sure would help them. Tony Khan could afford some legit songs for some guys. That would help set them apart from WWE. I’ve seen people buzzing about NWA Power using a Dokken song. I watched that video. It was pretty cool. I wish they’d treat Kenny Omega with more care in regards to building him up. I imagine a new viewer had no idea about his cleaner gimmick and thought him carrying a barbed wire broom looked silly. Give him some promos and vignettes. Don’t assume everyone watched NJPW. This is his first major television exposure in the US. Give viewers more of an introduction and explanation as to why he’s special rather than just another flippy guy. Hell even the Cleaner stuff was a while back now, when NJPW really started blowing up with Western audiences in 2017-2018 the Cleaner was barely even a nickname and was basically gone by 2018. Like, I'm 100% fine with them resurrecting and retreading that incarnation of Omega, but you can't just expect new viewers (which a lot of people factually are- look at the ratings versus the US NJPW subscriptions etc), to be clued in with stuff from foreign-language or independent promotions that happened multiple years earlier. It's just a copout to avoid having to actually tell the story.
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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on Nov 7, 2019 20:12:34 GMT -5
More promo time and development could definitely be used, I'm all for that and the roster rotation. Though I feel they're getting that down better and the women's division is definitely improving over the last few weeks. They've gotten me to care about Shanna, Hayter, and Sakura a lot.
Biggest pet peeve for me personally might be Britt Baker vs Bea Priestly. Neither of these women are over, neither of them are worth spending a PPV slot over, and the whole feud being built around shoot BS that Bea is an unsafe uncaring worker turns me off to it. I like the idea of a blood feud, I like the idea of an injury being worked into a Kayfabe standpoint of the wrestler being hurt. I don't like it skewing the line and having the entire pretence of a wrestler being that she doesn't care "FOR REALLY REALS" and is unsafe. That doesn't sell me on anything. Doesn't help Baker has been pretty bad in ring and Bea has next to no heat. Of all the feuds I wish they'd dropped this one long ago but hopefully we're done with it at Full Gear cause both ladies need to move on.
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Nov 7, 2019 20:30:46 GMT -5
More promo time and development could definitely be used, I'm all for that and the roster rotation. Though I feel they're getting that down better and the women's division is definitely improving over the last few weeks. They've gotten me to care about Shanna, Hayter, and Sakura a lot. Biggest pet peeve for me personally might be Britt Baker vs Bea Priestly. Neither of these women are over, neither of them are worth spending a PPV slot over, and the whole feud being built around shoot BS that Bea is an unsafe uncaring worker turns me off to it. I like the idea of a blood feud, I like the idea of an injury being worked into a Kayfabe standpoint of the wrestler being hurt. I don't like it skewing the line and having the entire pretence of a wrestler being that she doesn't care "FOR REALLY REALS" and is unsafe. That doesn't sell me on anything. Doesn't help Baker has been pretty bad in ring and Bea has next to no heat. Of all the feuds I wish they'd dropped this one long ago but hopefully we're done with it at Full Gear cause both ladies need to move on. It also doesn't really send the best message that you can hurt someone and not really suffer a backlash or any punishment but more so have it worked into a storyline so now all your real life f*** ups can be written as story line
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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on Nov 7, 2019 20:40:33 GMT -5
More promo time and development could definitely be used, I'm all for that and the roster rotation. Though I feel they're getting that down better and the women's division is definitely improving over the last few weeks. They've gotten me to care about Shanna, Hayter, and Sakura a lot. Biggest pet peeve for me personally might be Britt Baker vs Bea Priestly. Neither of these women are over, neither of them are worth spending a PPV slot over, and the whole feud being built around shoot BS that Bea is an unsafe uncaring worker turns me off to it. I like the idea of a blood feud, I like the idea of an injury being worked into a Kayfabe standpoint of the wrestler being hurt. I don't like it skewing the line and having the entire pretence of a wrestler being that she doesn't care "FOR REALLY REALS" and is unsafe. That doesn't sell me on anything. Doesn't help Baker has been pretty bad in ring and Bea has next to no heat. Of all the feuds I wish they'd dropped this one long ago but hopefully we're done with it at Full Gear cause both ladies need to move on. It also doesn't really send the best message that you can hurt someone and not really suffer a backlash or any punishment but more so have it worked into a storyline so now all your real life f*** ups can be written as story line It's not a good look, at all, especially considering Bea's most recent f***up in Japan almost could have really hurt someone I'm still not convinced Baker isn't still f***ed from Fight for the Fallen the way she's been wrestling. Maybe she just ain't that great, but when I hear "I couldn't see out of my left eye" because she was that badly concussed and still wrestled the match, I get worried, she got messed UP in that match. I get Baker and Bea were feuding before this incident occured, but I feel like using this as the heat for the feud's apex isn't great.
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Post by ogreknee on Nov 7, 2019 20:47:26 GMT -5
All the character building is on yt
I mean cool but not so cool
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Post by King Devitt on Nov 7, 2019 20:57:18 GMT -5
Right now:
JR
He's slowly ruining my enjoyment of the show.
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Post by Celgress on Nov 7, 2019 21:31:27 GMT -5
...3. I watch Dark but I'm not sure it's a good idea to start or continue feuds on it if you want to build a TV audience... This, I haven't watched AEW Dark since the first episode so I felt lost when the Spears/Blanchard and Janela feud was featured on Dynamite this Tuesday. Sure the recap helped but I was still a bit confused until I looked up exactly what happened and why later on Youtube.
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Post by markymark on Nov 7, 2019 21:37:45 GMT -5
All the character building is on yt I mean cool but not so cool THIS. They need to show that character building from YT on the main show also give mic time to the young talent besides Guevara and Hangman so they get to develop a personality.
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Post by cassonova on Nov 7, 2019 22:08:19 GMT -5
Character development and motivation. Outside of the main groups and fueds who are these guys? We get very little introduction of the wrestlers, very few interviews, very few video packages on the main show. They rely a lot on smark knowledge to carry the characters. Similar to NXT call-ups: "Oh my God, it's ___!" And it's never stated why it's a big deal. I've said it before. I view wrestling on the "my mom" principle: My mother enjoys wrestling, but she is a casual fan. She does not watch YouTube. She only catches newz if it is on her Google newsfeed. Mom doesn't know anyone besides Jericho, CODY, Mox, Dustin, and PAC; and she doesn't care about most of the AEW roster because they are just there.
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Post by ogreknee on Nov 8, 2019 0:15:43 GMT -5
Character development and motivation. Outside of the main groups and fueds who are these guys? We get very little introduction of the wrestlers, very few interviews, very few video packages on the main show. They rely a lot on smark knowledge to carry the characters. Similar to NXT call-ups: "Oh my God, it's ___!" And it's never stated why it's a big deal. I've said it before. I view wrestling on the "my mom" principle: My mother enjoys wrestling, but she is a casual fan. She does not watch YouTube. She only catches newz if it is on her Google newsfeed. Mom doesn't know anyone besides Jericho, CODY, Mox, Dustin, and PAC; and she doesn't care about most of the AEW roster because they are just there. That is why they need segments on the sha Relying entirely on yt is why their audiene drops Build your narrative on tv. I think that is where nxt has been beating aew. Is in coherent world building.
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Post by Brian Suntan on Nov 8, 2019 5:34:08 GMT -5
There's a lack of hooks to make it must see TV, as a lot of the storylines are wafer thin. Jericho and Cody has been clearly defined, and has the benefit of the title for motivation. Every other fued seems to be between guys who just arbitrarily attack one another.
That and there hasn't been tons of variety in terms of episodes, given there has only been six. A Cody promo, a bunch of tag matches and a big brawl to finish.
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Post by Scoops on Nov 8, 2019 6:31:58 GMT -5
My biggest issue is probably time management. It’s a 2 hour show but it often feels like not a lot of ground was covered by the end of it. The last two shows definitely improved and felt like the story bits were given more breathing room, so that at least shows they’re getting better.
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Post by Fundertaker on Nov 8, 2019 7:09:22 GMT -5
More urgency in matches, especially tag matches. You don't hit two or three double team moves and then not go for a pin. Are you tying to show off or are you trying to win a match?
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Post by The Dark Order Inferno on Nov 8, 2019 8:16:40 GMT -5
That's a problem with undercard booking in general, moves are being done just to do them, like the match rules are 'first person to hit 15 flips wins!'
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Post by ogreknee on Nov 8, 2019 10:11:10 GMT -5
That's a problem with undercard booking in general, moves are being done just to do them, like the match rules are 'first person to hit 15 flips wins!' That is the problem with wrestling nowadays Less a fight More of a dance battle
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Post by Hypnosis on Nov 8, 2019 10:25:45 GMT -5
That's a problem with undercard booking in general, moves are being done just to do them, like the match rules are 'first person to hit 15 flips wins!' "We'd put a stop to those flips in a hurry."
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Post by Nosnorb on Nov 8, 2019 11:40:27 GMT -5
That's a problem with undercard booking in general, moves are being done just to do them, like the match rules are 'first person to hit 15 flips wins!' "We'd put a stop to those flips in a hurry." AEW really needs to have some semblance of order to their tag matches before those two join. I imagine they are watching the AEW Tag Team division right now and thinking "how are we supposed to bend and break rules when there are none?".
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Post by Mike Strike on Nov 8, 2019 11:44:02 GMT -5
Yeah, I'm placing bets on the Revival jumping ship to NWA when their contracts are up.
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