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Post by Toilet Paper Roll on Jan 6, 2020 12:40:13 GMT -5
Drew Brees and Aaron Rodgers, which one has achieved less with more talent? I think you could make a similar case for either guy. Legitimate toss up
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Jan 6, 2020 12:56:46 GMT -5
Drew Brees and Aaron Rodgers, which one has achieved less with more talent? Probably Brees and the Saints While Rodgers has been the best QB, his team itself always has some type of glaring hole. Brees and the Saints has been a bit more consistent Also add on, Rodgers has some seasons riddled with injuries
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Post by Toilet Paper Roll on Jan 6, 2020 22:25:22 GMT -5
Drew Brees and Aaron Rodgers, which one has achieved less with more talent? Probably Brees and the Saints While Rodgers has been the best QB, his team itself always has some type of glaring hole. Brees and the Saints has been a bit more consistent Also add on, Rodgers has some seasons riddled with injuries Its tough. I think Rivers outdoes them both obviously (That 2006 team would be in the discussion of greatest ever if they didnt get bounced by a bad Patriots team) . Both Brees and Rodgers have had a few underperforming teams but more years than others they werent the best team in the NFC.
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Jan 6, 2020 22:28:49 GMT -5
Probably Brees and the Saints While Rodgers has been the best QB, his team itself always has some type of glaring hole. Brees and the Saints has been a bit more consistent Also add on, Rodgers has some seasons riddled with injuries Its tough. I think Rivers outdoes them both obviously (That 2006 team would be in the discussion of greatest ever if they didnt get bounced by a bad Patriots team) . Both Brees and Rodgers have had a few underperforming teams but more years than others they werent the best team in the NFC. Without question the biggest blemish on Rivers record is the fact in his career you can say he had a team or two that was the best in the AFC and didn't get a ring. Statistically better than Eli but Eli has the 2 rings in his career against the Pats none the less which boost his resume
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Post by Toilet Paper Roll on Jan 6, 2020 22:42:18 GMT -5
Its tough. I think Rivers outdoes them both obviously (That 2006 team would be in the discussion of greatest ever if they didnt get bounced by a bad Patriots team) . Both Brees and Rodgers have had a few underperforming teams but more years than others they werent the best team in the NFC. Without question the biggest blemish on Rivers record is the fact in his career you can say he had a team or two that was the best in the AFC and didn't get a ring. Statistically better than Eli but Eli has the 2 rings in his career against the Pats none the less which boost his resume Most seasons the Chargers were looking up at dominant Patriots, Colts and Steelers teams. That 2006 team was sick. They had Rivers, Tomlinson who had 33 TDs, his backup was Michael Turner. The TE was Antonio Gates, they had the best FB of all time in Lorenzo Neal. Vincent Jackson , Keenan McCardell and Eric Parker are a legit WR corp on defense Shawne Merriman and Shaun Phillips were both top 5 pass rushers. Donnie Edwards was nails at MLB. Quinten Jammer, Antonio Cromartie, Jacques Cesaire, Igor Olshanski and Luis Castillo.
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Jan 6, 2020 22:48:16 GMT -5
Without question the biggest blemish on Rivers record is the fact in his career you can say he had a team or two that was the best in the AFC and didn't get a ring. Statistically better than Eli but Eli has the 2 rings in his career against the Pats none the less which boost his resume Most seasons the Chargers were looking up at dominant Patriots, Colts and Steelers teams. That 2006 team was sick. They had Rivers, Tomlinson who had 33 TDs, his backup was Michael Turner. The TE was Antonio Gates, they had the best FB of all time in Lorenzo Neal. Vincent Jackson , Keenan McCardell and Eric Parker are a legit WR corp on defense Shawne Merriman and Shaun Phillips were both top 5 pass rushers. Donnie Edwards was nails at MLB. Quinten Jammer, Antonio Cromartie, Jacques Cesaire, Igor Olshanski and Luis Castillo. That team was sick tho Rivers might get a pass on that season because didn't LT suffer an "injury" and sit out basically the whole game after the 1st quarter if I remember correctly. Or that might have been a diff season
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Post by Toilet Paper Roll on Jan 6, 2020 23:08:49 GMT -5
Most seasons the Chargers were looking up at dominant Patriots, Colts and Steelers teams. That 2006 team was sick. They had Rivers, Tomlinson who had 33 TDs, his backup was Michael Turner. The TE was Antonio Gates, they had the best FB of all time in Lorenzo Neal. Vincent Jackson , Keenan McCardell and Eric Parker are a legit WR corp on defense Shawne Merriman and Shaun Phillips were both top 5 pass rushers. Donnie Edwards was nails at MLB. Quinten Jammer, Antonio Cromartie, Jacques Cesaire, Igor Olshanski and Luis Castillo. That team was sick tho Rivers might get a pass on that season because didn't LT suffer an "injury" and sit out basically the whole game after the 1st quarter if I remember correctly. Or that might have been a diff season That was the following season LT had about 200 yards total offense and a couple TDs that game
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Post by sfvega on Jan 7, 2020 0:49:52 GMT -5
Without question the biggest blemish on Rivers record is the fact in his career you can say he had a team or two that was the best in the AFC and didn't get a ring. Statistically better than Eli but Eli has the 2 rings in his career against the Pats none the less which boost his resume Most seasons the Chargers were looking up at dominant Patriots, Colts and Steelers teams. That 2006 team was sick. They had Rivers, Tomlinson who had 33 TDs, his backup was Michael Turner. The TE was Antonio Gates, they had the best FB of all time in Lorenzo Neal. Vincent Jackson , Keenan McCardell and Eric Parker are a legit WR corp on defense Shawne Merriman and Shaun Phillips were both top 5 pass rushers. Donnie Edwards was nails at MLB. Quinten Jammer, Antonio Cromartie, Jacques Cesaire, Igor Olshanski and Luis Castillo. That's mostly true. Shaun Phillips was never an elite pass rusher. Always good, never great and benefited from not being the player on that front protections keyed on. Jamal Williams that year was an All Pro, and was an absolute load in the middle, the ideal 3-4 NT. Better than Ngata and Wilfork at the time. Merriman was a force and an All Pro. That line was also pretty insane. Marcus McNeill was a rookie, but was a ridiculous run blocker reminiscent of Mt. McKinnie. Got beat sometimes off the edge, but there was pretty dominant from day 1 as a run blocker. Hardwick was on the short list with Saturday and Kreutz at the time. Dielman was underrated. Their left side was really good. Not quite Roaf/Waters or Jones/Hutchinson, but pretty damn close in the run game. Although LT was quite a bit more talented than Priest or Alexander, it's no surprise that the dominant rushers of that era had those lines in front of them. Of course Rivers, and to a larger extent Marty for this team (and then Norv), are going to rightfully take a lot of the blame for not getting that team over the hump. Marty was his normally conservative self cowering into a hole under the big lights. And while Rivers was good and took a beating admirably in that QB grinder that was the AFC at the time, he never really elevated his game in a way that inferior QBs like Eli or Flacco or even IMO as a pure passer Wilson have managed to. LT of course had that game in NE that put a mark on his reputation, but that Chargers team will always leave a legacy of what could have been. They definitely had the talent and the defense to win a SB. They just never got there on offense.
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Post by Sam Punk on Jan 16, 2020 21:32:44 GMT -5
If Julian Edelman was black, he'd be just another guy.
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Post by häšhtå.gdālėÿ on Jan 16, 2020 22:30:28 GMT -5
Self fulfilling prophecy fans Either the team is completely trash and is never good or they get a good team and complain when the team looks normal On that note; The Niners will not win a playoff game this season. They will lose to Seattle week 17 costing the bye (I’ve been calling this since the OT Loss) then they go into the playoffs with no momentum and completely banged up for the L on the road. Nailed it. Lmao
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Post by häšhtå.gdālėÿ on Jan 16, 2020 22:31:31 GMT -5
Barry Bonds isn’t in the Hall of Fame not because of steroids, but because he was an absolute dick to the media and the guys who vote throughout his entire career.
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Jan 17, 2020 0:10:14 GMT -5
Barry Bonds isn’t in the Hall of Fame not because of steroids, but because he was an absolute dick to the media and the guys who vote throughout his entire career. A bit of both They know but they can't prove he did it which pisses them off. Add on they want to hold him responsible for a tainted era
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Post by Toilet Paper Roll on Jan 19, 2020 22:13:07 GMT -5
If Julian Edelman was black, he'd be just another guy. I think he gets a lot of extra love too because he's small, strong as hell and rides Brady's jock like a boss.
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Post by Gus Richlen Was Wrong on Feb 13, 2020 19:20:25 GMT -5
Patrick Mahomes is only as good as he is because Andy Reid us good with quarterbacks. If you were to have Trubisky in Kansas City he'd be in the same spot as Mahomes.
Also, Mahomes didn't deserve the MVP award.
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Post by EvenBaldobombHasAJob on Feb 16, 2020 12:05:04 GMT -5
Barry Bonds isn’t in the Hall of Fame not because of steroids, but because he was an absolute dick to the media and the guys who vote throughout his entire career. mostly agreed. more accurately, the steroids gave the baseball media an excuse to exclude him (and other problem children) that they wouldn't have had otherwise. not that I'm complaining.
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Post by unc40 on May 25, 2020 21:50:07 GMT -5
Without question the biggest blemish on Rivers record is the fact in his career you can say he had a team or two that was the best in the AFC and didn't get a ring. Statistically better than Eli but Eli has the 2 rings in his career against the Pats none the less which boost his resume Most seasons the Chargers were looking up at dominant Patriots, Colts and Steelers teams. That 2006 team was sick. They had Rivers, Tomlinson who had 33 TDs, his backup was Michael Turner. The TE was Antonio Gates, they had the best FB of all time in Lorenzo Neal. Vincent Jackson , Keenan McCardell and Eric Parker are a legit WR corp on defense Shawne Merriman and Shaun Phillips were both top 5 pass rushers. Donnie Edwards was nails at MLB. Quinten Jammer, Antonio Cromartie, Jacques Cesaire, Igor Olshanski and Luis Castillo. If Marlon McCree holds on to the ball where not having this conversation.
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Post by OVO 40 hunched over like he 80 on May 27, 2020 19:50:21 GMT -5
Kevin Durant did the right thing joining the Warriors.
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on May 28, 2020 0:28:30 GMT -5
Kevin Durant did the right thing joining the Warriors. "Right thing" I never blamed him as hard as other people did but I had no problem with him leaving OKC, just joining the Warriors was a "free ride" However, he won them their two title so for as much as people want to talk bad about him, he did what he was supposed to there
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on May 28, 2020 0:31:05 GMT -5
Mike Trout is the best MLB player in the league but he deserves some major shit if he doesn't start stacking up some playoff appearances soon
Yes, MLB is a team game but as the best player you better start putting your foot down. Either get traded or demand talent. This year would been big for them so will see what happens but imo something has to give
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Post by OVO 40 hunched over like he 80 on May 28, 2020 0:36:45 GMT -5
Kevin Durant did the right thing joining the Warriors. "Right thing" I never blamed him as hard as other people did but I had no problem with him leaving OKC, just joining the Warriors was a "free ride" However, he won them their two title so for as much as people want to talk bad about him, he did what he was supposed to there It wasn’t such a smooth ride, if ZaZa doesn’t injures Kawhi or if CP3 doesn’t gets hurt things might’ve been different.
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