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Post by OVO 40 hunched over like he 80 on Jun 1, 2020 19:46:52 GMT -5
Not sure where to put this but I’m glad Jason Whitlock is unemployed. He got fired? He was not renewed and wished well in his future endeavors lol.
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Jun 1, 2020 19:54:24 GMT -5
He was not renewed and wished well in his future endeavors lol. Good, he was walking trash anyway
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Post by sfvega on Jun 1, 2020 20:11:10 GMT -5
Sabremetrics in baseball were something used by Beane for regular season success and perfected by teams who weren't cheap into winning championships. Agreed. It's like when a college football team has success with running a certain scheme. There's always going to be a limit to how much they can do with it, while the haves can use it to win championships. The Rays or A's basically have/had to rebuild teams all the time while rarely adding valuable pieces via FA/trade, where as the Yanks or Sox can keep a core together for multiple championships. They shouldn't be discounted for not winning a title while handicapped by cheap ass owners.
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Post by Cyno on Jun 1, 2020 20:24:26 GMT -5
He was not renewed and wished well in his future endeavors lol. But now where will racist white people go for their "one black guy that agrees with them" takes now?
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Jun 1, 2020 20:27:33 GMT -5
He was not renewed and wished well in his future endeavors lol. But now where will racist white people go for their "one black guy that agrees with them" takes now? Does Rob Parker or Chris Broussard still work for them?
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Post by BRV on Jun 1, 2020 20:52:18 GMT -5
Here's my hot take: LeBron James is juuuuust barely a top-five all-time NBA player.
A week or two ago, after the conclusion of "The Last Dance," I ranked my NBA all-time top-five as Michael Jordan, Magic Johnson, Kareem Abdul-Jabbar, Bill Russell, and LeBron James in that order. And I really struggled to put LeBron James in at no. 5. There's a compelling argument to be made that he doesn't belong ahead of the likes of Kobe Bryant or Tim Duncan or even Larry Bird. You can't discount his 3-6 record in the NBA Finals and you can't ever discount what he did in the summer of 2010, which should be almost disqualifying from having him in the conversation of the single greatest of all-time.
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Post by OVO 40 hunched over like he 80 on Jun 1, 2020 20:58:59 GMT -5
Here's my hot take: LeBron James is juuuuust barely a top-five all-time NBA player. A week or two ago, after the conclusion of "The Last Dance," I ranked my NBA all-time top-five as Michael Jordan, Magic Johnson, Kareem Abdul-Jabbar, Bill Russell, and LeBron James in that order. And I really struggled to put LeBron James in at no. 5. There's a compelling argument to be made that he doesn't belong ahead of the likes of Kobe Bryant or Tim Duncan or even Larry Bird. You can't discount his 3-6 record in the NBA Finals and you can't ever discount what he did in the summer of 2010, which should be almost disqualifying from having him in the conversation of the single greatest of all-time. I used to be mad about the decision but I realized that he had no other choice. No free agent wanted to come to Cleveland, f*** the best Lebron got was a decrepit Shaq. It also didn’t help the carousel of head coaches and general managers that kept bouncing around, there was no stability there. All the other greats had help with great co stars and legendary coaches and gms, for the first eight years of his career LBJ had neither.
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Jun 1, 2020 21:05:20 GMT -5
Here's my hot take: LeBron James is juuuuust barely a top-five all-time NBA player. A week or two ago, after the conclusion of "The Last Dance," I ranked my NBA all-time top-five as Michael Jordan, Magic Johnson, Kareem Abdul-Jabbar, Bill Russell, and LeBron James in that order. And I really struggled to put LeBron James in at no. 5. There's a compelling argument to be made that he doesn't belong ahead of the likes of Kobe Bryant or Tim Duncan or even Larry Bird. You can't discount his 3-6 record in the NBA Finals and you can't ever discount what he did in the summer of 2010, which should be almost disqualifying from having him in the conversation of the single greatest of all-time. Ehh maybe Personally, I rank him behind Jordan. Will end up the greatest statistical player of all time. Has the possibility of breaking the number 1 scoring record without really being a crazy scorer in his career, just consistent. His points are docked for going to another man team to win, the finals 3-6 record, and my own personal thing of being a mercenary. I personally don't like him picking and choosing his championship teams
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Post by OVO 40 hunched over like he 80 on Jun 1, 2020 21:18:18 GMT -5
Here's my hot take: LeBron James is juuuuust barely a top-five all-time NBA player. A week or two ago, after the conclusion of "The Last Dance," I ranked my NBA all-time top-five as Michael Jordan, Magic Johnson, Kareem Abdul-Jabbar, Bill Russell, and LeBron James in that order. And I really struggled to put LeBron James in at no. 5. There's a compelling argument to be made that he doesn't belong ahead of the likes of Kobe Bryant or Tim Duncan or even Larry Bird. You can't discount his 3-6 record in the NBA Finals and you can't ever discount what he did in the summer of 2010, which should be almost disqualifying from having him in the conversation of the single greatest of all-time. Ehh maybe Personally, I rank him behind Jordan. Will end up the greatest statistical player of all time. Has the possibility of breaking the number 1 scoring record without really being a crazy scorer in his career, just consistent. His points are docked for going to another man team to win, the finals 3-6 record, and my own personal thing of being a mercenary. I personally don't like him picking and choosing his championship teams He had to build the teams, other than Pat Riley what golf executive did Bron had?
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Jun 1, 2020 21:25:26 GMT -5
Ehh maybe Personally, I rank him behind Jordan. Will end up the greatest statistical player of all time. Has the possibility of breaking the number 1 scoring record without really being a crazy scorer in his career, just consistent. His points are docked for going to another man team to win, the finals 3-6 record, and my own personal thing of being a mercenary. I personally don't like him picking and choosing his championship teams He had to build the teams, other than Pat Riley what golf executive did Bron had? He went to teams already made Miami had Bosh, Wade and role players. He went back to the Cavs where they had Kyrie, a few top draft picks and the upcoming number one pick. All those guys were young and able to be moved for a star as seen with getting Kevin Love. Then he goes to the Lakers where they have high draft picks who will all be used in a trade if they don't work with LeBron which is what happened He didn't go to Chicago, or Orlando where teams had to be scrapped from the bottom. Those teams were ready made and high in talent to be traded for all stars and superstars and with LeBron name value, you will get the vets on the cheap to replace the talent you trade
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Post by OVO 40 hunched over like he 80 on Jun 1, 2020 21:33:14 GMT -5
He had to build the teams, other than Pat Riley what golf executive did Bron had? He went to teams already made Miami had Bosh, Wade and role players. He went back to the Cavs where they had Kyrie, a few top draft picks and the upcoming number one pick. All those guys were young and able to be moved for a star as seen with getting Kevin Love. Then he goes to the Lakers where they have high draft picks who will all be used in a trade if they don't work with LeBron which is what happened He didn't go to Chicago, or Orlando where teams had to be scrapped from the bottom. Those teams were ready made and high in talent to be traded for all stars and superstars and with LeBron name value, you will get the vets on the cheap to replace the talent you trade He convinced Wade and Bosh to team up, hell Lebron and Wade almost went to Chicago. Ok I’ll give you Miami, but in no way can I give you Cleveland, they were a lottery team before he returned. It was after he came back that they traded for Love and JR Smith along with other pieces. And Love was GSW bound before Jerry West threatened to quit if they traded Klay away.
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Jun 1, 2020 21:37:46 GMT -5
He went to teams already made Miami had Bosh, Wade and role players. He went back to the Cavs where they had Kyrie, a few top draft picks and the upcoming number one pick. All those guys were young and able to be moved for a star as seen with getting Kevin Love. Then he goes to the Lakers where they have high draft picks who will all be used in a trade if they don't work with LeBron which is what happened He didn't go to Chicago, or Orlando where teams had to be scrapped from the bottom. Those teams were ready made and high in talent to be traded for all stars and superstars and with LeBron name value, you will get the vets on the cheap to replace the talent you trade He convinced Wade and Bosh to team up, hell Lebron and Wade almost went to Chicago. Ok I’ll give you Miami, but in no way can I give you Cleveland, they were a lottery team before he returned. It was after he came back that they traded for Love and JR Smith along with other pieces. But that's what i'm saying The Cavs were a made team in the sense that they got LeBron and had young affordable talent to trade to acquire those stars. That's what i'm talking about when I say made. That's a calculated move. You aren't going to teams with a f***ed up cap and middling players. You're going to a team with young players who you can easily trade for another star and a basically empty cap. That's what he did with the Cavs and what he now did with the Lakers
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Post by OVO 40 hunched over like he 80 on Jun 1, 2020 21:48:52 GMT -5
He convinced Wade and Bosh to team up, hell Lebron and Wade almost went to Chicago. Ok I’ll give you Miami, but in no way can I give you Cleveland, they were a lottery team before he returned. It was after he came back that they traded for Love and JR Smith along with other pieces. But that's what i'm saying The Cavs were a made team in the sense that they got LeBron and had young affordable talent to trade to acquire those stars. That's what i'm talking about when I say made. That's a calculated move. You aren't going to teams with a f***ed up cap and middling players. You're going to a team with young players who you can easily trade for another star and a basically empty cap. That's what he did with the Cavs and what he now did with the Lakers I guess it’s difference of opinions, to me a mercenary is like what Barkley or Wilt did.
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Post by sfvega on Jun 1, 2020 22:03:14 GMT -5
Here's my hot take: LeBron James is juuuuust barely a top-five all-time NBA player. A week or two ago, after the conclusion of "The Last Dance," I ranked my NBA all-time top-five as Michael Jordan, Magic Johnson, Kareem Abdul-Jabbar, Bill Russell, and LeBron James in that order. And I really struggled to put LeBron James in at no. 5. There's a compelling argument to be made that he doesn't belong ahead of the likes of Kobe Bryant or Tim Duncan or even Larry Bird. You can't discount his 3-6 record in the NBA Finals and you can't ever discount what he did in the summer of 2010, which should be almost disqualifying from having him in the conversation of the single greatest of all-time. I used to be mad about the decision but I realized that he had no other choice. No free agent wanted to come to Cleveland, f*** the best Lebron got was a decrepit Shaq. It also didn’t help the carousel of head coaches and general managers that kept bouncing around, there was no stability there. All the other greats had help with great co stars and legendary coaches and gms, for the first eight years of his career LBJ had neither. The best player LeBron had was Boozer who bolted the first chance he got. Z made an All Star team but his numbers were skewed by a high usage due to the team's lack of a 2nd option, as well as defenses keying on James whose passing helped Ilgauskas tremendously. Kobe walked into having a generational, dominant center from day 1 and got an All Time coach his 4th season. Duncan walked into having Robinson established, and having great role players (Horry, Bowen, Kerr, S Jax) before Manu and Parker developed as All Stars and eventually HOF players as well as maybe the best coach ever. Bird walked into a franchise with a great GM who the 9 seasons prior made 6 ECFs and won 2 titles. Parrish was already a beast, McHale would come into his own, Tiny Archibald was no slouch. James walked into a franchise in disarray and their whole plan to no longer be in disarray started and ended with "we have LeBron now." If Larry Bird or Kobe are out there with Donyell Marshall and Boobie Gibson, maybe he doesn't win a Finals early in his career and gets frustrated. Hell, we saw Kobe out there after Shaq and before getting gifted an elite power forward, and he didn't come close to winning shit. Look at Giannis now. People are saying he needs to leave that franchise to win a title, but if he does, people are going to criticize him for the same thing. And his team is twice as good as LeBron's ever were. Or KG. He had Marbury and then they added Cassell and Sprewell, but none of those teams were ever contenders. So he's stuck with either wasting his prime on a goat of a franchise or leaving for a real chance at a title and criticism all because of situations they can't control. Would Larry Bird have chosen the Celtics if they didn't have all that they had?
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Post by OVO 40 hunched over like he 80 on Jun 1, 2020 22:10:51 GMT -5
I used to be mad about the decision but I realized that he had no other choice. No free agent wanted to come to Cleveland, f*** the best Lebron got was a decrepit Shaq. It also didn’t help the carousel of head coaches and general managers that kept bouncing around, there was no stability there. All the other greats had help with great co stars and legendary coaches and gms, for the first eight years of his career LBJ had neither. The best player LeBron had was Boozer who bolted the first chance he got. Z made an All Star team but his numbers were skewed by a high usage due to the team's lack of a 2nd option, as well as defenses keying on James whose passing helped Ilgauskas tremendously. Kobe walked into having a generational, dominant center from day 1 and got an All Time coach his 4th season. Duncan walked into having Robinson established, and having great role players (Horry, Bowen, Kerr, S Jax) before Manu and Parker developed as All Stars and eventually HOF players as well as maybe the best coach ever. Bird walked into a franchise with a great GM who the 9 seasons prior made 6 ECFs and won 2 titles. Parrish was already a beast, McHale would come into his own, Tiny Archibald was no slouch. James walked into a franchise in disarray and their whole plan to no longer be in disarray started and ended with "we have LeBron now." If Larry Bird or Kobe are out there with Donyell Marshall and Boobie Gibson, maybe he doesn't win a Finals early in his career and gets frustrated. Hell, we saw Kobe out there after Shaq and before getting gifted an elite power forward, and he didn't come close to winning shit. Look at Giannis now. People are saying he needs to leave that franchise to win a title, but if he does, people are going to criticize him for the same thing. And his team is twice as good as LeBron's ever were. Or KG. He had Marbury and then they added Cassell and Sprewell, but none of those teams were ever contenders. So he's stuck with either wasting his prime on a goat of a franchise or leaving for a real chance at a title and criticism all because of situations they can't control. Would Larry Bird have chosen the Celtics if they didn't have all that they had? I forgot about Big Z lol, he was deceptively good in NBA Street though.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 1, 2020 22:23:02 GMT -5
LBJ leaving the Cavs the first time was perfectly fine. The issue was intentionally creating a super team (via mid season tampering) with two other stars. At the time no other superstar in NBA history, right in the prime of their career, did anything close to what LeBron initially did. Now free agents leaving and either creating super teams artificially or joining them is common place. KD just followed the blueprint LBJ handed him, but LeBron was the first.
And don't get it twisted about returning to the Cavs. The Heat just got slaughtered by the Spurs, Wade was going to be 33 after missing nearly 30 games, and Bosh was about to turn 30 after spending 4 years neutering his own game to appease James. That Heat team was going to decline. The Cavs on the other hand had a 22 year old Kyrie and a #1 pick that LeGM knew he could trade for more help (Love). He didn't just randomly finish the 2014 season wanting to redeem himself in Cleveland. Everything he does is strategic and calculated.
There's no denying his talent, and coming back from 3-1 down to beat the Warriors is definitely a huge plus on his legacy, but there's definitely a bunch of red flags there for me.
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Jun 1, 2020 22:25:08 GMT -5
But that's what i'm saying The Cavs were a made team in the sense that they got LeBron and had young affordable talent to trade to acquire those stars. That's what i'm talking about when I say made. That's a calculated move. You aren't going to teams with a f***ed up cap and middling players. You're going to a team with young players who you can easily trade for another star and a basically empty cap. That's what he did with the Cavs and what he now did with the Lakers I guess it’s difference of opinions, to me a mercenary is like what Barkley or Wilt did. Well Barkley was ring hunting Shaq is probably the modern case of ring hunting but he left before it got too embarrassing
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Post by sfvega on Jun 1, 2020 22:44:48 GMT -5
LBJ leaving the Cavs the first time was perfectly fine. The issue was intentionally creating a super team (via mid season tampering) with two other stars. At the time no other superstar in NBA history, right in the prime of their career, did anything close to what LeBron initially did. Now free agents leaving and either creating super teams artificially or joining them is common place. KD just followed the blueprint LBJ handed him, but LeBron was the first. And don't get it twisted about returning to the Cavs. The Heat just got slaughtered by the Spurs, Wade was going to be 33 after missing nearly 30 games, and Bosh was about to turn 30 after spending 4 years neutering his own game to appease James. That Heat team was going to decline. The Cavs on the other hand had a 22 year old Kyrie and a #1 pick that LeGM knew he could trade for more help (Love). He didn't just randomly finish the 2014 season wanting to redeem himself in Cleveland. Everything he does is strategic and calculated. There's no denying his talent, and coming back from 3-1 down to beat the Warriors is definitely a huge plus on his legacy, but there's definitely a bunch of red flags there for me. It's a red flag that he was basically the GM for a championship team in addition to being their best player? Are we holding it against Michael that he vetoed the Scottie trade? Not to mention most of his time in the playoffs in Cleveland was spent with banged up Kyrie or Love or both. Nobody thought LeBron went back to Cleveland to go slumming again. What a revelation.
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Post by sfvega on Jun 1, 2020 22:46:01 GMT -5
I guess it’s difference of opinions, to me a mercenary is like what Barkley or Wilt did. Well Barkley was ring hunting Shaq is probably the modern case of ring hunting but he left before it got too embarrassing Malone and Payton on the Lakers, send tweet.
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Jun 1, 2020 22:48:14 GMT -5
Well Barkley was ring hunting Shaq is probably the modern case of ring hunting but he left before it got too embarrassing Malone and Payton on the Lakers, send tweet. Well Shaq was after them but yeah they were def ring chasing and Karl decided to retire while Payton did get his with the Heat with Shaq anyway Depending on next team DeMarcus Cousins goes too he will be the next case of ring hunting after being on Warriors and Lakers and with his legs essentially gone who knows how effective he will be
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