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Post by Cyno on Dec 2, 2019 19:33:24 GMT -5
I had an 8 hour drive, watching Dynamite was not an option. Thanks for KILLING WRESTLING.
They kinda were, though. Demographic drops for every group were around the same percentages except for 50+. They stayed even for NXT and that was the difference in the overall numbers.
And yeah, going along with what others have said, key demo numbers are a lot more important to networks and especially sponsors than overall numbers. It's why Showbuzz has AEW ranked higher than NXT despite NXT having around 200k more viewers and why the political pundit shows are in the middle despite getting a couple of million viewers each nightly. Overall numbers really only matter to wrestling fans and PR departments of WWE and AEW.
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Post by eJm on Dec 2, 2019 19:34:18 GMT -5
I had an 8 hour drive, watching Dynamite was not an option. Watch and drive at the same time, you coward!
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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on Dec 2, 2019 19:58:41 GMT -5
Good show coming up this week, with the Holidays done here's hoping for a big bounce back
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Post by Deleted on Dec 2, 2019 21:37:09 GMT -5
This whole "war" is such a non-event as a ratings battle. It's a start-up promotion against WWE's C show and they both can't even get a million viewers. It's like if XPW went up against Sunday Night Heat in 2000.
I know a lot of us as fans were desperate to live through some kind of Monday night wars style excitement but I just can't get into this as some kind of big thing and analyze ratings and stuff. It's just another two decent wrestling shows on television.
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Post by Dub H on Dec 2, 2019 22:54:07 GMT -5
This whole "war" is such a non-event as a ratings battle. It's a start-up promotion against WWE's C show and they both can't even get a million viewers. It's like if XPW went up against Sunday Night Heat in 2000. I know a lot of us as fans were desperate to live through some kind of Monday night wars style excitement but I just can't get into this as some kind of big thing and analyze ratings and stuff. It's just another two decent wrestling shows on television. I just think it is fun to compare. I just want AEW to manage to grow somehow honestly.Not impossible but very difficult
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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on Dec 3, 2019 1:47:53 GMT -5
This whole "war" is such a non-event as a ratings battle. It's a start-up promotion against WWE's C show and they both can't even get a million viewers. It's like if XPW went up against Sunday Night Heat in 2000. I know a lot of us as fans were desperate to live through some kind of Monday night wars style excitement but I just can't get into this as some kind of big thing and analyze ratings and stuff. It's just another two decent wrestling shows on television. I just think it is fun to compare. I just want AEW to manage to grow somehow honestly.Not impossible but very difficult Safe to say they are growing and are being successful with how they're going all over the country and near selling out most venues. For a company that is two months old, there are gonna be growing pains but they're doing well so far
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Post by Deleted on Dec 3, 2019 1:53:05 GMT -5
That both shows were down in pretty much the exact same demographics to the same general percentage majorly points to this being a holiday thing. This week should be much more even.
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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on Dec 3, 2019 1:57:48 GMT -5
That both shows were down in pretty much the exact same demographics to the same general percentage majorly points to this being a holiday thing. This week should be much more even. Holiday Week, Survivor Series Fallout helped NXT. NXT doesn't have a particularly stacked card going into Wednesday compared to AEW (Which is something they're gonna run into with developing talents they also need to build), a lot of things factor in. AEW still won the demos which I think says a lot.
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Post by sunnytaker on Dec 3, 2019 10:05:29 GMT -5
had this not have been the post survivor series fallout episode for NXT it probably would have had lower numbers than it did. I think timing on these ratings battles are going to influence who wins which week as much as anything. random NXT episode 3 weeks from a PPV vs go home show for AEW PPV- AEW wins and visa versa.
I actually look forward to the post PPV fallout than the last couple weeks of the build because all that happens is random multi person tag matches of everyone PPVing or a couple last minute filler matches getting announced with minimal build. the fallout episode is where you get to see who is going to mix it up with whom going forward which is more interesting to me
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Post by "Evil Brood" Jackson Vanik on Dec 3, 2019 10:22:21 GMT -5
Meltzer/Alvarez mentioned on Observer Radio that they started out a lot lower and viewership never really grew until the Omega/Pac match and they were able to win the final quarter over NXT. So it doesn't seem to be the case that the show drove off people, they just didn't tune in to start. The bigger number is this week since it's a normal week.
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Post by Dub H on Dec 3, 2019 10:24:03 GMT -5
Meltzer/Alvarez mentioned on Observer Radio that they started out a lot lower and viewership never really grew until the Omega/Pac match and they were able to win the final quarter over NXT. So it doesn't seem to be the case that the show drove off people, they just didn't tune in to start. The bigger number is this week since it's a normal week. Surprising,since most people said the show peaked in quality at the opening
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Post by Tenshigure on Dec 3, 2019 11:06:38 GMT -5
They hit the rough patch of holiday ratings, and it'll only get worse this month with the combination of the holidays as well as two of their top guys in Jericho and Moxley likely being off TV for a while to hype up their involvement at Wrestle Kingdom 14.
...though I'd totally mark out if Tanahashi showed up and hit Jericho with a High Fly Flow on North American mainstream TV, lol.
Whether they regain traction after this next month is going to be the real question, because I don't expect their numbers to be much better through the month, since it's the worst month for even WWE in that lull between Survivor Series and Royal Rumble.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 3, 2019 11:14:23 GMT -5
I guess at least plus side is that does go to show that with the right opponent Omega can actually draw. To this point he's pretty much been ratings poison.
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Post by markymark on Dec 3, 2019 11:40:33 GMT -5
Meltzer/Alvarez mentioned on Observer Radio that they started out a lot lower and viewership never really grew until the Omega/Pac match and they were able to win the final quarter over NXT. So it doesn't seem to be the case that the show drove off people, they just didn't tune in to start. The bigger number is this week since it's a normal week. Heard that the women match was the lowest point of the show.
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Post by Some Baritone guy IS REDEEMED! on Dec 3, 2019 14:00:07 GMT -5
I think context is important here.
If the reports of ratings going up for PAC and Omega does illustrate that travel likely had something to do with it. Now comparing the ratings the only demographic that NXT actually won in was 50 plus, which it won by a large margin. Given that most families travel to the older members of their families rather than vice versa this also makes sense.
Then you have to look at what WWE was coming off of. NXT was being marketed coming off of their Pay-Per-View equivalent and them beating Raw and Smackdown at Survivor Series.
The end result is a difference of a little under 200,000 people.
Holidays are never good for ratings and fallout shows always do well. The fallout show for Full Gear beat NXT that week by 207,000 viewers.
The big test is if they'll be able to maintain this once the dust settles after Survivor Series.
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Post by Cyno on Dec 3, 2019 14:04:04 GMT -5
As I've said in previous NXT threads and AEW threads, quarter hour ratings on their own tell you jack and shit about what's a draw and what isn't. There's no context to what people are switching to or why.
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Dec 3, 2019 14:05:52 GMT -5
I guess at least plus side is that does go to show that with the right opponent Omega can actually draw. To this point he's pretty much been ratings poison. Booking wise and ratings wise he seems to be on the way up I said last week I believe i'm liking the scrappy determination they are giving him
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Post by KofiMania on Dec 3, 2019 14:21:10 GMT -5
I guess at least plus side is that does go to show that with the right opponent Omega can actually draw. To this point he's pretty much been ratings poison. Booking wise and ratings wise he seems to be on the way up I said last week I believe i'm liking the scrappy determination they are giving him I think they messed up with Omega and the Bucks out of the gate. They should have been put over as huge stars that rarely lose, instead of assuming that everyone watching already knows who they are and why they’re important. They’ve come across more as midcarders, and while Omega did beat PAC, he did it with a rollup instead of with his finish.
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Dec 3, 2019 14:27:12 GMT -5
Booking wise and ratings wise he seems to be on the way up I said last week I believe i'm liking the scrappy determination they are giving him I think they messed up with Omega and the Bucks out of the gate. They should have been put over as huge stars that rarely lose, instead of assuming that everyone watching already knows who they are and why they’re important. They’ve come across more as midcarders, and while Omega did beat PAC, he did it with a rollup instead of with his finish. I mean I get it. I get where their heart is but in that same token as I said before, Cody was still front and center getting the promos and stuff and looking like a big star. They have never really been made to look bigger than their opponents which is a bit of a problem and a good thing PnP and Mox have def looked big time in their wins over them but now you have to rehab Bucks and Omega a bit. Omega is working his way back up and a big win at the next PPV will do him wonders. Bucks aren't too far off and have great matchups in front of them thanks to a stacked division They might have been a little too selfless in the beginning but it did give them results in fairness
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Post by Shark on Dec 3, 2019 20:35:03 GMT -5
Meltzer/Alvarez mentioned on Observer Radio that they started out a lot lower and viewership never really grew until the Omega/Pac match and they were able to win the final quarter over NXT. So it doesn't seem to be the case that the show drove off people, they just didn't tune in to start. The bigger number is this week since it's a normal week. Surprising,since most people said the show peaked in quality at the opening That opening may have been why they started so low. That was a long opening segment. Thinking about it too and this was a show that AEW promoted really well. They hyped the Omega vs Pac match and did a really strong segment hyping up Jericho vs Sky. To hype up a show like that, honestly maybe the best they've actually done at hyping up a show since Dynamite started, and to still have such a big drop is alarming.
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