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Post by Fade is a CodyCryBaby on Dec 9, 2019 19:56:33 GMT -5
I feel like this ties into the issue with Kenny and the Bucks' booking as well. They're all well aware that the moment they start booking themselves strongly, people are gonna cry "nepotism" and "vanity project". So they overcompensate by putting everyone else over, even if the audience wants to see them win. People were as early as AEWs beginning and for months to the build up of its announcing, and the months leading up to its beginning voicing that concern and now it appears all four guys are quite literally doing the opposite to the point where many are now voicing out how it’s detrimental ..lol. You’re damned if you do, and you’re damned if you don’t. I do understand objections to it. Cody is AEWs biggest face. Almost de-facto. He’s the protagonist in AEWs story and it doesn’t look like that’s going to change. Could always be deep-sixed with the right story or heel turn. Or if another title is introduced (along the vein of the Intercontinental Title) could be his baby and make it appear huge and legitimately on the level of the world title. Either way..I think Cody’s made a smart call presently.
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Post by sportatorium on Dec 9, 2019 23:43:32 GMT -5
Cody doesn’t need the belt. His feuds can be built around personal issues that transcend the title.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 10, 2019 0:07:28 GMT -5
Yeah, I'm on the side of Cody is an idiot for this one. He's the most beloved guy in the company, he's not the final say on everything anyway, and it's not like they're going to forever keep the other belts off Kenny and the Bucks so it's basically just selflessness over nothing.
And yeah, they can always undo it, but then you're just wasting a stipulation on nothing.
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Dec 10, 2019 0:12:51 GMT -5
Okay like, cool if he doesn't want to be champion because he's a booker and it would look like he booked himself to win. However, don't position yourself as a viable challenger and buildup a whole story about winning the championship then. That too For all of that thinking process, he could have put over someone like Shawn Spears if that is the case to not even make himself a viable challenger for the title yet. Yes, MJF f***ing over Cody is a major story point but that result could have still been had elsewhere
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Post by r. on Dec 10, 2019 0:43:51 GMT -5
I can't say I disagree with Khan. Cody was their most overt act and now he can't challenge. This is pro wrestling. If you think someone "Can never challenge for a title" then you haven't been watching very long.
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Post by ogreknee on Dec 10, 2019 0:47:06 GMT -5
Cody was a draw as roh champ. The audience for aew should be the broad audience.
Cody is the most over man in aew. He should be champion sometimes
I think cody loved that ring of honor ring so much though
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Post by Dub H on Dec 10, 2019 0:51:08 GMT -5
I can't say I disagree with Khan. Cody was their most overt act and now he can't challenge. This is pro wrestling. If you think someone "Can never challenge for a title" then you haven't been watching very long. Well of course I am saying in kayfabe. I can into depth into on how undoing this big story stipulation can be hurtful on itself to feud with stipulations and consequences and that even then it could be such a convuleted mess that migt not having the stipulation at all woul have simply been better.But that was implied
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Post by lildude8218 on Dec 10, 2019 1:15:56 GMT -5
I'm not saying Cody shouldn't ever get a title shot but he built that storyline up with his family and limousine interviews and then threw that stipulation on it. He might as well have gotten a bus and rode across the nation too.
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Post by aka Cthulhu on Dec 10, 2019 3:43:11 GMT -5
In the end, I think the stipulation could be handwaved away easy. New season, win-loss records are back to start. Past stipulations can be removed like the win-loss record. Fresh start, and all that.
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Post by Oh Cry Me a Screwball on Dec 10, 2019 3:47:11 GMT -5
So, if you examine the logic that Cody used to make the stipulation, namely that Cody vowed to not let his status as EVP to influence the title picture, there's actually a way to allow Cody to challenge for the title without going back on his word.
That loophole would be for him to resign as EVP. The problem is that nobody would buy into this since there's a lot of meta baggage going into this because he's a real authority figure outside of kayfabe, unless he resigned as EVP for realsies, and even then some might doubt how much power he was given up.
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Post by eJm on Dec 10, 2019 4:14:57 GMT -5
Like, honestly, all I can think of with it is if Cody did win the belt, the amount of hot takes and videos talking about how Cody's like every other booker in wrestling history and nothing's actually different about it makes me think he made the right choice.
I do get it in terms of him being over and his character and the like but at the same time, my flatmate went on long diatribes about how wrestlers being bookers is bad and it'll be AEW's downfall even before Dynamite started so he and others would have had a field day.
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Post by Yamashita Enforcement Division on Dec 10, 2019 8:49:55 GMT -5
In the end, I think the stipulation could be handwaved away easy. New season, win-loss records are back to start. Past stipulations can be removed like the win-loss record. Fresh start, and all that. But the problem with that is that it kills long term stipulations going forward. If you've already gone back on long term stips, what does the current one matter in the long term. It adds an unnecessary cynicism to your audience engaging with the stories you tell and it's why I think that they aren't going to find a loop hole or handwave it away, because that would have longer term issues that f*** up storytelling. Besides they could also just book the belt so that it is only held by like two or three people before Cody is consumed by office work and off tv, AEW is a start up working with a skeleton crew.
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Post by Allie Kitsune on Dec 10, 2019 9:42:31 GMT -5
Easiest way to do it, if they did it, when his contract is up, you say that Tony Khan wrote the stipulation out of the new contract.
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Post by Finish Uncle Muffin’s Story on Dec 10, 2019 10:18:23 GMT -5
I think it's a smart move in the long run because it's kind of cleared the runway for Moxley to be the top face in the company.
I'm actually OK with Cody never winning the title or waiting until like his last year as an active wrestler (if they make it that long). Could be the opposite of the streak in terms of a response.
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Post by BlahBlah on Dec 10, 2019 11:51:48 GMT -5
I feel like this ties into the issue with Kenny and the Bucks' booking as well. They're all well aware that the moment they start booking themselves strongly, people are gonna cry "nepotism" and "vanity project". So they overcompensate by putting everyone else over, even if the audience wants to see them win. People were as early as AEWs beginning and for months to the build up of its announcing, and the months leading up to its beginning voicing that concern and now it appears all four guys are quite literally doing the opposite to the point where many are now voicing out how it’s detrimental ..lol. You’re damned if you do, and you’re damned if you don’t. I do understand objections to it. Cody is AEWs biggest face. Almost de-facto. He’s the protagonist in AEWs story and it doesn’t look like that’s going to change. Could always be deep-sixed with the right story or heel turn. Or if another title is introduced (along the vein of the Intercontinental Title) could be his baby and make it appear huge and legitimately on the level of the world title. Either way..I think Cody’s made a smart call presently. I think there's a balance that can be struck. It doesn't have to be a lose-lose situation. Omega is the perfect example. He doesn't need to be running through the roster or anything but casual fans also shouldn't be feeling like he's just another guy.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 10, 2019 14:00:54 GMT -5
Cody should have won the title at Full Gear. This is one of the few times that someone in wrestling was so unselfish that he hurt the product. I mean Jericho is awesome but Cody is arguably the most over talent in North America right now. Take advantage of it.
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Post by Chainsaw on Dec 10, 2019 14:31:05 GMT -5
I mean...it's wrestling. There's always an out of things like this. I don't get why Tony, who's shown he's a pretty smart guy when it comes to the business, didn't just figure that they could undo this later on down the road if they decide that Cody should have the title.
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Post by Fade is a CodyCryBaby on Dec 10, 2019 14:43:52 GMT -5
Cody should have won the title at Full Gear. This is one of the few times that someone in wrestling was so unselfish that he hurt the product. I mean Jericho is awesome but Cody is arguably the most over talent in North America right now. Take advantage of it. Strongly disagree. Jericho’s been killing it.
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Post by eJm on Dec 10, 2019 16:05:32 GMT -5
Cody should have won the title at Full Gear. This is one of the few times that someone in wrestling was so unselfish that he hurt the product. I mean Jericho is awesome but Cody is arguably the most over talent in North America right now. Take advantage of it. Strongly disagree. Jericho’s been killing it. If the consequence of Cody losing is Jericho saying one of my favorite on TV quotes of the year (“It’s Official, we shook hands!”), then it was worth it.
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Post by "Gizzark" Mike Wronglevenay on Dec 11, 2019 3:50:34 GMT -5
I am a huge fan of this stipulation if they stick to it.
It's genuinely really interesting to wonder what Cody will do from now on and they don't have a history of backtracking on a stip like other promotions do.
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