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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Dec 15, 2019 14:14:17 GMT -5
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Post by Deleted on Dec 15, 2019 14:19:54 GMT -5
100% right. I've been saying this since AEW was announced and I saw the responses around it and it's only continued with the defense and excuses for it.
These hardcore stans just can't take any criticism and a lot of the comments towards the product (and or them in regards to the product) they overlook. Even Cody's comments here are referring to a lot of people who will undoubtedly read it. I don't even think this is the first time Cody's said something like this either, he did say something prior but people twisted his words or act like he didn't. At the end of the day it's a wrestling company and Cody doesn't want to tear another company down, he just wants to do him and the same with most of the other heads in AEW. Omega himself said he started watching NXT a few weeks ago and he loves it. Everybody makes mistakes, everybody takes an L, nothing wrong with that.
Shoutout to Cody again as always, he's a great leader and as a great leader he says things that should help others grow from his comments. Even that Trips comment was great. He, honestly, needs to be doing more of these interviews rather than someone like Jericho who still seems hurt by that whole Vince thing. There's a clear difference in how they want to present AEW. Cody wants to uplift the company and he wants wrestling to be at peace, just better but Jericho seems to really want a war and wants to hurt WWE. He's just damaged.
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Post by deezy on Dec 15, 2019 14:20:52 GMT -5
Cody is the only one in charge that I trust. He has a great mind for the business and Carrys himself well in and out of the ring.
He was spot on in everything he said.
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Dec 15, 2019 14:23:08 GMT -5
100% right. I've been saying this since AEW was announced and I saw the responses around it and it's only continued with the defense and excuses for it. These hardcore stans just can't take any criticism and a lot of the comments towards the product (and or them in regards to the product) they overlook. I don't even think this is the first time Cody's said something like this either, he did say something prior but people twisted his words or act like he didn't. At the end of the day it's a wrestling company and Cody doesn't want to tear another company down, he just wants to do him and the same with most of the other heads in AEW. Omega himself said he started watching NXT a few weeks ago and he loves it. Everybody makes mistakes, everybody takes an L, nothing wrong with that. Shoutout to Cody again as always, he's a great leader and as a great leader he says things that should help others grow from his comments. Even that Trips comment was great. It is spoken like a true leader He's not going to cater to people who just want to watch WWE burn and die. They want to see their competition and learn what they can do to be better and also learn from them. NXT and AEW are going to adapt and grow with each other and Wednesday nights could be exciting for a long time with the way HHH and Cody are running things
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Post by Deleted on Dec 15, 2019 14:25:33 GMT -5
I agree with that. I also agree that there are WWE/NXT fans who wanna tear them down and to fail too.
From my point of view, I want a new company to succeed because it's good for wrestling which is why I'm very supportive even though I will criticise things I don't like.
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Post by Cyno on Dec 15, 2019 14:26:14 GMT -5
Social media is a quagmire because the hardcore WWE fans and AEW fans are so vehemently loyal to their companies that it's just nonstop dick-waving back and forth. The "wrasslin war" mentality only makes things that much worse.
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Dec 15, 2019 14:27:19 GMT -5
I agree with that. I also agree that there are WWE/NXT fans who wanna tear them down and to fail too.Of course but that don't matter Cody has said he's trying to adapt and learn from those who fear AEW but he sees logic from both sides
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Post by Deleted on Dec 15, 2019 14:27:33 GMT -5
100% right. I've been saying this since AEW was announced and I saw the responses around it and it's only continued with the defense and excuses for it. These hardcore stans just can't take any criticism and a lot of the comments towards the product (and or them in regards to the product) they overlook. I don't even think this is the first time Cody's said something like this either, he did say something prior but people twisted his words or act like he didn't. At the end of the day it's a wrestling company and Cody doesn't want to tear another company down, he just wants to do him and the same with most of the other heads in AEW. Omega himself said he started watching NXT a few weeks ago and he loves it. Everybody makes mistakes, everybody takes an L, nothing wrong with that. Shoutout to Cody again as always, he's a great leader and as a great leader he says things that should help others grow from his comments. Even that Trips comment was great. It is spoken like a true leader He's not going to cater to people who just want to watch WWE burn and die. They want to see their competition and learn what they can do to be better and also learn from them. NXT and AEW are going to adapt and grow with each other and Wednesday nights could be exciting for a long time with the way HHH and Cody are running things Like he said the other week with that "excuses are for assholes" comment after AEW lost, he's really a great leader that others need to learn from rather than stanning and he understands the trials and tribulations of running a company. Not from just a business standpoint but from someone on the inside, someone who used to just be a fan, he gets it. Him basically being like "alright, stop the stanning, listen to this" is pretty great. He's mentioned Trips a good amount in these interviews too so I really enjoy him showing him respect with everything that's going on. Those 2 are continuing to build the future.
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Dec 15, 2019 14:31:04 GMT -5
It is spoken like a true leader He's not going to cater to people who just want to watch WWE burn and die. They want to see their competition and learn what they can do to be better and also learn from them. NXT and AEW are going to adapt and grow with each other and Wednesday nights could be exciting for a long time with the way HHH and Cody are running things Like he said the other week with that "excuses are for assholes" comment after AEW lost, he's really a great leader that others need to learn from rather than stanning and he understands the trials and tribulations of running a company. Not from just a business standpoint but from someone on the inside, someone who used to just be a fan, he gets it. Him basically being like "alright, stop the stanning, listen to this" is pretty great. He's mentioned Trips a good amount in these interviews too so I really enjoy him showing him respect with everything that's going on. Those 2 are continuing to build the future. This is two dudes who love wrestling. Both got old school mindsets and live and breath this shit. They listen to those around them and try to surround themselves with smart people It is everything Vince once did that he doesn't do anymore. Professional wrestling is in good hands with Cody and HHH taking and learning from each other
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Post by Cyno on Dec 15, 2019 14:31:49 GMT -5
I still don't understand why hardcore WWE fans even fear AEW. Even with everything going for them, they're not in any position to be a real threat to WWE. At most, they along with the successful mid-majors like Impact and the upcoming NJoA offer competition in a marketplace that's been too long dominated by a monopoly. And competition is better for everyone, especially the actual wrestlers.
The true threat to WWE right now is Vince McMahon not getting out of his own way.
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Post by eJm on Dec 15, 2019 14:32:34 GMT -5
People I know are picking at the comments he said before and saying it’s all a downplaying period because of some of the losses AEW’s had with ratings which I think is unfair not just to AEW but to NXT as well because, well, despite the circumstances that have lead to this (and let’s be honest, 40 years of history shows what WWE’s intention of all this is), this isn’t the Monday Night Wars anymore.
And one of the worst circumstances of said wars was the idea of one side surviving and one side failing and turning the fan bases into angry mobs or telling them if WCW wasn’t watched or WWF wasn’t watched, one company would die and really, that’s how we’re at this point where one company’s basically crafted the industry in their image. Believe me, if WCW won the war (and somehow was profitable) then we’d be seeing indies and tv promotions copying their tactics too because they’d be the big cheese. The Death of WWF documentary would be just as bad as the one WWE did, most likely.
And it’s only been now not just that talent is allowed to make money from wrestling in a way to stand out but also proper competition is coming up where viewers get choice. And yes, it’s not bringing in millions and millions like the MNWs did but the foundations are being laid. It’s why it’s sad when WWE muscles in somewhere or does shady shit or whatever because, honestly, it benefits them that there’s more variety. It allows you to flex creative juices, not get stale and try new things. Sign new guys and let them be who they are. Hell, NXT does that to an extent right now and it’s obviously clicking.
I sort of went off the point but yeah, AEW’s not going anywhere any time soon, I can’t see Vince asking USA for NXT to move a day so we’re where we are so either accept it or...I don’t know, act like it’s 1998 again?
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Dec 15, 2019 14:34:51 GMT -5
I still don't understand why hardcore WWE fans even fear AEW. Even with everything going for them, they're not in any position to be a real threat to WWE. At most, they along with the successful mid-majors like Impact and the upcoming NJoA, competition in a marketplace that's been too long a monopoly. And competition is better for everyone, especially the actual wrestlers. The true threat to WWE right now is Vince McMahon not getting out of his own way. Because to put it as simply as possibly fans are idiots They buy into the "taking food off our table" argument when they forget to realize the table spreads across the country. Fear is good, there is a bit of respect mixed in there As Cody said, he understands both sides and will learn from it and adapt
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Post by Deleted on Dec 15, 2019 14:37:45 GMT -5
This is two dudes who love wrestling. Both got old school mindsets and live and breath this shit. They listen to those around them and try to surround themselves with smart people It is everything Vince once did that he doesn't do anymore. Professional wrestling is in good hands with Cody and HHH taking and learning from each other Interestingly enough they both wrestle similarly in that "methodical emotional" style, have/had similar builds and both operate similarly so when you look at that, their mindsets, it says a lot towards who they are and what they want out of wrestling. They just get it. It's like Ambrose said one time. He said that they were stumped on a finish once and they asked Trips and rather than telling them what to do (like Vince would always do) Trips said "what about this?" and asked if they liked it. It's like Seth said recently about Trips asking them if they wanted to do the turn that night, he's looking at his people and going "what do you wanna do" and "how you feel about it", that's just a great mindset and that in itself goes a long way with speaking to talent and even the community's responses towards the product as it's more about them than it is you.
These 2 just get it.
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Post by Bang Bang Bart on Dec 15, 2019 14:39:14 GMT -5
Social media is a quagmire because the hardcore WWE fans and AEW fans are so vehemently loyal to their companies that it's just nonstop dick-waving back and forth. The "wrasslin war" mentality only makes things that much worse. I’m just basically the guy who can enjoy both Dynamite and NXT equally at this point. We should be grateful that we get some elite wrestling action on Wednesdays.
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Post by Cyno on Dec 15, 2019 14:51:36 GMT -5
Social media is a quagmire because the hardcore WWE fans and AEW fans are so vehemently loyal to their companies that it's just nonstop dick-waving back and forth. The "wrasslin war" mentality only makes things that much worse. I’m just basically the guy who can enjoy both Dynamite and NXT equally at this point. We should be grateful that we get some elite wrestling action on Wednesdays. Yeah, I watch AEW live and NXT on demand. Two solid brands that are doing great things on their own, but also have a lot of room to improve and be even better. Even at their worst so far, they're still enjoyable shows, which is more than I can say about WWE's other shows in quite some time.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 15, 2019 14:53:22 GMT -5
I agree with that. I also agree that there are WWE/NXT fans who wanna tear them down and to fail too.Of course but that don't matter Cody has said he's trying to adapt and learn from those who fear AEW but he sees logic from both sides To be honest show me a fanbase anywhere that's not overprotective. Wrestling will always be the same, people will pick a side and arguments ensue.
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Dec 15, 2019 14:57:15 GMT -5
Of course but that don't matter Cody has said he's trying to adapt and learn from those who fear AEW but he sees logic from both sides To be honest show me a fanbase anywhere that's not overprotective. Wrestling will always be the same, people will pick a side and arguments ensue. No doubt but wrestling fanbases aren't just overprotective they can be toxic It comes across like Cody and HHH aren't trying to put the idea of you have to hate them. You can pick a side but the ultimate goal is to want both to be alternatives for each other because they know wrestling needs it
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Post by Ecks Ecks Ringout Ecks Ecks on Dec 15, 2019 15:26:14 GMT -5
There are definitely fans like that on both side of the fence, and Cody's absolutely right, though I'd be wary of taking his comments and stretching his intended meaning too far.
I've also seen fans smacked down for posting stuff in the same vein as the fun, tongue-in-cheek, obviously-work parts of the "war" (Trip's "pissant company" comment, the throne smashing, etc.) Fans appreciated that side of the Monday night wars, and a certain amount of leeway needs to be provided to let people have fun with it, especially when the companies themselves are blatantly encouraging it.
The neutrality thing can be taken to weird extremes, too. Sometimes I feel like there's a weird undercurrent of resentment if people are enjoying one more than the other, like we need absolute balance between the light and dark sides of the Wrestling Force at all times.
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Post by Cyno on Dec 15, 2019 15:38:01 GMT -5
There are definitely fans like that on both side of the fence, and Cody's absolutely right, though I'd be wary of taking his comments and stretching his intended meaning too far. I've also seen fans smacked down for posting stuff in the same vein as the fun, tongue-in-cheek, obviously-work parts of the "war" (Trip's "pissant company" comment, the throne smashing, etc.) Fans appreciated that side of the Monday night wars, and a certain amount of leeway needs to be provided to let people have fun with it, especially when the companies themselves are blatantly encouraging it. The neutrality thing can be taken to weird extremes, too. Sometimes I feel like there's a weird undercurrent of resentment if people are enjoying one more than the other, like we need absolute balance between the light and dark sides of the Wrestling Force at all times. This, too. You see people immediately jump to "they're TNA all over again!" if AEW pokes any sort of fun at WWE or brings in a former WWE wrestler that isn't Chris Jericho or Jon Moxley. If all TNA did was just poke a bit of fun at WWE, it'd be remembered a lot more fondly. That one person going overboard on AEW and Britt Baker have a little self-depreciating fun with the NXT camera spot a couple of weeks ago comes to mind.
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Post by eJm on Dec 15, 2019 15:55:26 GMT -5
There are definitely fans like that on both side of the fence, and Cody's absolutely right, though I'd be wary of taking his comments and stretching his intended meaning too far. I've also seen fans smacked down for posting stuff in the same vein as the fun, tongue-in-cheek, obviously-work parts of the "war" (Trip's "pissant company" comment, the throne smashing, etc.) Fans appreciated that side of the Monday night wars, and a certain amount of leeway needs to be provided to let people have fun with it, especially when the companies themselves are blatantly encouraging it. The neutrality thing can be taken to weird extremes, too. Sometimes I feel like there's a weird undercurrent of resentment if people are enjoying one more than the other, like we need absolute balance between the light and dark sides of the Wrestling Force at all times. This, too. You see people immediately jump to "they're TNA all over again!" if AEW pokes any sort of fun at WWE or brings in a former WWE wrestler that isn't Chris Jericho or Jon Moxley. If all TNA did was just poke a bit of fun at WWE, it'd be remembered a lot more fondly. That one person going overboard on AEW and Britt Baker have a little self-depreciating fun with the NXT camera spot a couple of weeks ago comes to mind. I remember someone getting super annoyed at All Out when JR talked about Aubrey being the first woman to ref a world title match and saying it didn’t need to be said and it’s like...really? Like, for all the talk of WWE and jamming concepts and stuff into people’s heads, mentioning stuff like that is important in making it normalized to viewers especially in WWE’s case when they were the innovators of the Mud wrestling and pillow fights during the Attitude Era. Saying it once won’t kill anyone.
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