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Post by Deleted on Dec 16, 2019 0:25:34 GMT -5
I'm not really surprised Charlotte was so rough in this match because she tends to be in gimmick ones - she's pretty much why last year's TLC match was so good, she was just killing everybody including herself.
Still, she does definitely need to work on recognizing when there's an issue and restraining herself. No clue how anyone in their right mind could respond to the way Kairi crumpled for that spear by kneeling down and repeatedly smacking her.
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Post by Jedi-El of Tomorrow on Dec 16, 2019 0:26:46 GMT -5
And if you ask me that's part of the problem. Somebody endangering themselves shouldn't be glorified because all it's gonna do is push others to endanger themselves even more to get that respect. Again, especially in the setting of professional wrestling. Hockey fans heard the stories of guys playing through injuries. My favourite one is Bob Gainey leading the Habs to a cup with both shoulders dislocated. That's hardcore. But that's real competition. Pro wrestling has the ability to QUICKLY go "Okay, Kairi is hurt, lets EVERYBODY know Kairi is hurt. So, new plan, Charlotte, Asuka will take you out with a XYZ and bury you under a ton of shit, then Asuka and Becky can work 1-on-1, Asuka still goes over. NOBODY touches Kairi, and Asuka, tell her to stay down." which is what they did in the end, but they sure took their time. You mean like when Dakota Kai got her head split open this past Wednesday and had to have 8 staples inserted to close the laceration and instead of taking some time off to recover, not even 24 hours later she's working the entire house show loop in California. That spot was beyond stupid. A back suplex through 2 tables? You don't have much control when doing the back suplex, do a regular suplex. A regular suplex puts both of their bodies taking the brunt of the tables, and they can brace one another's head.
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Dec 16, 2019 0:27:59 GMT -5
streamable.com/fzdvmHave not seen this one mentioned yet Charlotte f***ing cracks Kairi in the back of the head with the kendo stick I am about at a point where I am like f*** Charlotte the more I see of her in this match ..once is an accident , twice is carelessness but more than that it becomes clear she had no f***s to give. Charlotte knows better and while everyone is going to get their share of this, she seems she deserves the most I'm def going watch this match tomorrow
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Post by Deleted on Dec 16, 2019 0:30:57 GMT -5
Found a good thread about what happened. Charlotte didn't know until Becky told her Kairi was concussed.
Shoutout to Becky for realizing that something was wrong with Kairi after that table didn't break (because Kairi was out of it) and stepping up. Shoutout to Asuka for doing what she can to make sure Kairi was ok. Shoutout to Charlotte adapting later on once she found out what was going on. Shoutout to Kairi for, bless her heart, still trying to go on even though she shouldn't have, she should have been out of that match. I don't know what the hell the refs were doing there. The refs should have immediately stopped Charlotte from attacking Kairi after they found out what happened.
With that said both Becky and Charlotte were unnecessarily rough this match and even though Charlotte might have concussed Kairi that doesn't mean that Becky wasn't rough herself. That's another thing that stuckout to me with that match. They were wilding with how stiff it was and how some of those shots were. Like that sequence where they kept throwing Kairi on the tables, that was silly.
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Dec 16, 2019 0:35:01 GMT -5
Found a good thread about what happened. Charlotte didn't know until Becky told her Kairi was concussed. Shoutout to Becky for realizing that something was wrong with Kairi after that table didn't break (because Kairi was out of it) and stepping up. Shoutout to Asuka for doing what she can to make sure Kairi was ok. Shoutout to Charlotte adapting later on once she found out what was going on. Shoutout to Kairi for, bless her heart, still trying to go on even though she shouldn't have, she should have been out of that match. I don't know what the hell the refs were doing there. With that said both Becky and Charlotte were unnecessarily rough this match and even though Charlotte might have concussed Kairi that doesn't mean that Becky wasn't rough herself. That's another thing that stuckout to me with that match. They were wilding with how stiff it was and how some of those shots were. Like that sequence where they kept throwing Kairi on the tables, that was silly. It trying to do as much as the men when they don't have to Slow it down
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Post by Deleted on Dec 16, 2019 0:37:30 GMT -5
Charlotte doesn't exactly have a history of injuring people as far as I know, so I'm going to go soft on her. I'd just tell everybody involved in the match to cut the stiff shit out, hope Kairi's going to be okay, and move on. Found a good thread about what happened. Charlotte didn't know until Becky told her Kairi was concussed. Shoutout to Becky for realizing that something was wrong with Kairi after that table didn't break (because Kairi was out of it) and stepping up. Shoutout to Asuka for doing what she can to make sure Kairi was ok. Shoutout to Charlotte adapting later on once she found out what was going on. Shoutout to Kairi for, bless her heart, still trying to go on even though she shouldn't have, she should have been out of that match. I don't know what the hell the refs were doing there. The refs should have immediately stopped Charlotte from attacking Kairi after they found out what happened. With that said both Becky and Charlotte were unnecessarily rough this match and even though Charlotte might have concussed Kairi that doesn't mean that Becky wasn't rough herself. That's another thing that stuckout to me with that match. They were wilding with how stiff it was and how some of those shots were. Like that sequence where they kept throwing Kairi on the tables, that was silly. I wonder how much of it is the women feeling like they still have to go that hard to to prove they deserve to main event? They shouldn't have to, all four are some of the best talents in the company regardless of gender, but who knows.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 16, 2019 0:39:19 GMT -5
streamable.com/fzdvmHave not seen this one mentioned yet Charlotte f***ing cracks Kairi in the back of the head with the kendo stick I am about at a point where I am like f*** Charlotte the more I see of her in this match ..once is an accident , twice is carelessness but more than that it becomes clear she had no f***s to give. I think this was where I realized Charlotte was just going out there and being reckless as f***.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 16, 2019 0:41:26 GMT -5
I said it earlier but people can point to this match as to advocate for a more character driven direction especially in matches like these with women that have much smaller frames.
more unique , safer character specific spots like the ladder tieing moment tonight are things that clearly can be as entertaining with no risk to someone like Kairi.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 16, 2019 0:42:09 GMT -5
It trying to do as much as the men when they don't have to Slow it down Charlotte doesn't exactly have a history of injuring people as far as I know, so I'm going to go soft on her. I'd just tell everybody involved in the match to cut the stiff shit out, hope Kairi's going to be okay, and move on. I wonder how much of it is the women feeling like they still have to go that hard to to prove they deserve to main event? They shouldn't have to, all four are some of the best talents in the company regardless of gender, but who knows. Yeah that's what it is. They're going too hard in the paint for no reason. Not every men's match is that rough either. They had the crowd invested without that and the crowd only crapped on it when they had to adapt due to Kairi's injury.
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Post by CubsFan71 on Dec 16, 2019 0:55:18 GMT -5
Saw the match and it just looked like Charlotte and Becky were being careless. Becky not as much after she realized Kairi was hurt. But yeah there was some carelessness on Charlottes part in this match and she needs to be more alert and aware of when someone is hurt and not right. I also have a feeling that Kairi will somehow get the blame for it.
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Dec 16, 2019 0:58:44 GMT -5
Saw the match and it just looked like Charlotte and Becky were being careless. Becky not as much after she realized Kairi was hurt. But yeah there was some carelessness on Charlottes part in this match and she needs to be more alert and aware of when someone is hurt and not right. I also have a feeling that Kairi will somehow get the blame for it. I doubt Kairi gets much blame As I said before this is one of those things where she will get an applause because she tried to work through it and not much you can say to her when she had her bell cracked, she is on autopilot It was up to everyone else to protect her and they got late to that party
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Post by Phil Parent on Dec 16, 2019 1:08:35 GMT -5
And if you ask me that's part of the problem. Somebody endangering themselves shouldn't be glorified because all it's gonna do is push others to endanger themselves even more to get that respect. Again, especially in the setting of professional wrestling. Hockey fans heard the stories of guys playing through injuries. My favourite one is Bob Gainey leading the Habs to a cup with both shoulders dislocated. That's hardcore. But that's real competition. Pro wrestling has the ability to QUICKLY go "Okay, Kairi is hurt, lets EVERYBODY know Kairi is hurt. So, new plan, Charlotte, Asuka will take you out with a XYZ and bury you under a ton of shit, then Asuka and Becky can work 1-on-1, Asuka still goes over. NOBODY touches Kairi, and Asuka, tell her to stay down." which is what they did in the end, but they sure took their time. You mean like when Dakota Kai got her head split open this past Wednesday and had to have 8 staples inserted to close the laceration and instead of taking some time off to recover, not even 24 hours later she's working the entire house show loop in California. That's it. Wrestlers take no time to heal unless they are functionally crippled from an in-ring standpoint. Part of it is not wanting to be seen as injury-prone, because that label means upper management might have no trust in investing time in you. And if they currently invest time in you, then you don't want that momentum to stop.
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Post by Perd on Dec 16, 2019 1:16:53 GMT -5
I put the vast majority of blame on the officials/whoever was at gorilla. I can see how, if you’re in the match, you get caught up in the moment and maybe miss the signs. But there are people whose job it is to recognize things like this. And it damn sure seem like they should’ve noticed a lot earlier that Kairi was f***ed up. And they should’ve alerted Becky and Charlottte immediately.
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Post by theironyuppie on Dec 16, 2019 1:20:58 GMT -5
I think it should be stressed that if you look closely, it looks like neither monitor hit Kairi. I've seen one analysis saying that the hinge moment was her going for the Insane Elbow on Becky through the table (https://twitter.com/lifesnotflair/status/1206453443910602752?s=21 ) as that's the point when the refs check on her. and its right before the attempted spear > powerbomb.
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Post by The Unconquered Sun on Dec 16, 2019 1:23:53 GMT -5
I’ll... I’ll be more than happy to nurse her back to health. As long as it takes.
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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on Dec 16, 2019 2:32:11 GMT -5
It trying to do as much as the men when they don't have to Slow it down Charlotte doesn't exactly have a history of injuring people as far as I know, so I'm going to go soft on her. I'd just tell everybody involved in the match to cut the stiff shit out, hope Kairi's going to be okay, and move on. I wonder how much of it is the women feeling like they still have to go that hard to to prove they deserve to main event? They shouldn't have to, all four are some of the best talents in the company regardless of gender, but who knows. Yeah that's what it is. They're going too hard in the paint for no reason. Not every men's match is that rough either. They had the crowd invested without that and the crowd only crapped on it when they had to adapt due to Kairi's injury. It felt like a "We're the main event, go f***ing crazy!" moment, where they went TOO crazy and Kairi ended up getting hurt Being in the Main is great for the girls, and trying to further establish the tag belts as a big deal, and wanting to show off isn't a bad idea either, but there's a difference between wanting to put on a great match and going too far and we saw the consequences of that tonight I just hope above all else Kairi can come back from this stronger than ever, because it's just a shitty situation when you look at it from every angle.
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Post by Bub (BLM) on Dec 16, 2019 2:36:48 GMT -5
I noticed Becky basically took over with her halfway through and just took care of her the rest of the way. It was really pro level shit.
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Post by EoE: Well There's Your Problem on Dec 16, 2019 2:42:27 GMT -5
I noticed Becky basically took over with her halfway through and just took care of her the rest of the way. It was really pro level shit. A lot has been said about Lynch and about how, in being this more headstrong and "take no shit" character over the last year, she'd become a bit selfish in putting herself over at the expense of her opponents... This goes a long way towards reminding everyone that she is still that veteran ring general that can manage things in a crisis, try to take care of an injured opponent and make the best of an awkward situation.
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Post by theironyuppie on Dec 16, 2019 2:53:25 GMT -5
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Post by theironyuppie on Dec 16, 2019 3:01:33 GMT -5
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