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Post by FinalGwen on Dec 23, 2019 16:03:42 GMT -5
Reigns/Lesnar because not only was it every bit as drawn out, plodding, and downright meh as a match, but... What was even the point? We were all so resigned to it being Reigns' crowning moment, finally overcoming Lesnar, but it wasn't even that. Lesnar wins and everyone's just like... Oh. It wasn't the conclusion of an angle or even a particularly defining moment in one.
At least Reigns/HHH and Reigns/Taker had a few memorable images or provided a capstone to a certain story. This was just a shit match with nothing around to redeem it.
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Post by Alyce: Old Media Enthusiast on Dec 23, 2019 16:05:42 GMT -5
Miz/Cena because it wasn't a match, just an angle for next year
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Post by Dub H on Dec 23, 2019 16:08:52 GMT -5
Anyway I voted Reigns/Take more so because of the setting and result.You have a match just so you can say Reigns also beat Taker at Mania.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 23, 2019 16:11:47 GMT -5
I think he deserved the WM main event, but match seemed like it was never even planned to be great. I don't understand why WWE's always been stupid in that they've never (for some reason) booked matches to Miz's strenghts. I could see him so easily having memorable matches, but na'ah... Should have wrestled in this costume to at least please the crowd:
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Post by Deleted on Dec 23, 2019 16:17:22 GMT -5
Everything about that match was sad from the storyline to the in-ring work to the aftermath, it's the perfect example of what not to do. It really went BEYOND just standard storyline problems like most WWE matches. I mean look at this list, for most of these matches that are bad we can say "the storyline sucks" but very few can we say "well the storyline sucked, the match was bad and we have a legend being taken out while they do a horrible performance." Even the Reigns/HHH match didn't have that "damn they're making this guy who clearly can't go do this" thing about it. Nobody, regardless if they were against or for Reigns, didn't want that match going the way it did. Reigns/Taker really defined everything I disliked about Roman's single's push pre-leukemia announcement. Also, who was Reigns / Taker even FOR? At least Reigns / Triple H was the logical payoff to the previous couple of years worth of storylines and if you were a Roman fan you more or less would've gotten what you wanted out of the finish. Reigns / Taker was just a half-baked bit of nothing where the build did far more to make you want to see Taker / Braun than the match they were actually doing and seems to have only happened because Vince thought that Reigns / Taker was a dream match that needed to happen before Taker stepped away, while the other side of the actual dream match people wanted was in a pointless tag match propping up a relationship that ended within the year anyway for the purposes of a reality show. If I remember right you're absolutely correct in saying that Vince just thought it was a dream match that needed to happen before Taker's retirement. I think the reports said those exact words. It wasn't for any title, it wasn't for who's the best guy in the company right now because Orton/Wyatt and Lesnar/Goldberg were BEFORE them and had way shorter matches. It didn't make any sense. After the match Reigns didn't really change his character either besides saying "hey I beat Taker now yall gotta respect me" which still put the crowd against him. If the match never happened then nothing would have changed. The guy went back to that Strowman feud so if you skipped that entire build you would have missed nothing. It was dumb.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 23, 2019 18:09:46 GMT -5
There's several candidates to choose from:
Miz/Cena: Not only was this sunk before it got started by awful booking focused solely on the Rock, but the match itself would've been utterly boring as a Raw main event - having it as a Mania main event was just insulting.
Roman/HHH: A typically "epic" HHH match full of heat spots and rest-holds, in front of a crowd that wanted absolutely nothing to do with it.
Roman/Taker: Ugly and botch-filled with a poignant ending that Taker pissed all over a year later, rendering the entire endeavor utterly worthless.
Rousey/Lynch/Flair: What did we get after a convoluted, shit-awful build full of McMahon drama, pointless swerves, Alexa Bliss getting concussed repeatedly and Asuka getting her credibility murdered permanently? A sub-par (at best) match in front of a dead crowd with a botched finish. This is the match that got my vote because it meant the most. Nobody honestly expected Miz/Cena or any of the Roman matches to be anything above mediocre, and those matches weren't the product of WWE lionizing themselves as a progressive, forward thinking company. This match, THIS match, was the culmination of years of WWE patting themselves on the back as spearheading the Women's Evolution. And it goddamn sucked.
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Post by HMARK Center on Dec 23, 2019 20:22:57 GMT -5
Wow, I'm surprised I've seen so many of these: I haven't been a WWE watcher in years and years, but I guess my cousin and friends having WM viewing parties has at least kept me in the loop on these. Also...holy shit look at how many of these main events were just flat-out awful. Hard to think of other major promotions that took their biggest show of the year and just put on garbage in the main event spot most of the time (WM 30 obviously the exception here, and I didn't see this year's show so I can't speak to it)...I guess WCW once it got into the Hogan era of 1995-2000 with Starrcade, but at least that wasn't a full decade. I mean...the company died before that could happen. Anyway, yikes. Um...I'd go with Reigns vs. Triple H for being interminably long, but as I recall my girlfriend and I actually left the party we were at early because the match was going forever and we both had work the next day, so it just wasn't worth it. Miz vs. Cena was abominable and I agree that it killed Miz dead as a main eventer, so it deserves votes. Reigns/Taker was just sad, little more to be said. Reigns/Lesnar was pointless, and that might be the biggest crime of all. But screw it, I'll go with Cena/Rock 2. Their first match wasn't good but it at least had the surprise Rock victory, but the second match really embodied everything wrong with the WWE "main event style" of match, namely the finisher spamming with no regard whatsoever to psychology, storytelling, or anything else compelling while stretching 10-15 minutes worth of material well past where it could feasibly go and still be tolerable. Obviously didn't help that Rock was well past his best ring conditioning, but yeah, ugly and dull and sent the crowd home feeling anything from "meh" to "@#$% this."
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Post by Deleted on Dec 23, 2019 20:32:12 GMT -5
Easily miz vs cena. I look at all those names listed and I see a bunch of main event names. Then there's the miz sticking out like a zit on prom night. You could argue roman vs trips or taker were bad and yea they weren't anything to write home about but same goes for this bout. And roman, trips and taker are big match names that just didn't live up to the hype it happens. While miz vs cena was very much felt like a mid card act somehow stumbling into the main event of mania. All I remember is miz concussing himself and winning. What made it even worse was the fact that everyone wanted to see cena fight the rock that year and miz was this kid jumping up and down begging for attention. So yea that's the worst of the decade Spot on. Miz vs Cena had no business main eventing Mania. WM27 might be the worst Mania of all time for me.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 23, 2019 20:38:54 GMT -5
I gotta ask...
Who voted HBK/Taker at 26?
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Post by XIII on Dec 23, 2019 20:57:02 GMT -5
Honestly outside of HBK/Taker(and even then their first match was better), and WM 30 they all suck to varying degrees.
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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on Dec 23, 2019 20:58:44 GMT -5
Roman Reigns headlining four straight Mania's did WWE's ratings and interest no favors this decade
It didn't help also that three of those Mania matches were some of the worst pieces of shit they had the nerve to actually give to people as the closing atch to the biggest wrestling cards of the year.
I went with Taker's since one, the match was downright brutal and insulting, but two, it did no favors for Roman, who so badly wanted to go heel but Vince is an idiot, and Taker came back like two months later, making the whole thing POINTLESS all the more so, just screw that whole thing.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 23, 2019 21:00:27 GMT -5
Reigns v HHH for it happening at all in 2016 and for how awful it was. Let's put it this way; when Triple H is viewed by the crowd as the valiant hero in a title feud in 2016 as champion, something is wrong with how you write your stories
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Post by A Platypus Rave on Dec 23, 2019 21:59:34 GMT -5
Also, who was Reigns / Taker even FOR? At least Reigns / Triple H was the logical payoff to the previous couple of years worth of storylines and if you were a Roman fan you more or less would've gotten what you wanted out of the finish. Reigns / Taker was just a half-baked bit of nothing where the build did far more to make you want to see Taker / Braun than the match they were actually doing and seems to have only happened because Vince thought that Reigns / Taker was a dream match that needed to happen before Taker stepped away, while the other side of the actual dream match people wanted was in a pointless tag match propping up a relationship that ended within the year anyway for the purposes of a reality show. If I remember right you're absolutely correct in saying that Vince just thought it was a dream match that needed to happen before Taker's retirement. I think the reports said those exact words. It wasn't for any title, it wasn't for who's the best guy in the company right now because Orton/Wyatt and Lesnar/Goldberg were BEFORE them and had way shorter matches. It didn't make any sense. After the match Reigns didn't really change his character either besides saying "hey I beat Taker now yall gotta respect me" which still put the crowd against him. If the match never happened then nothing would have changed. The guy went back to that Strowman feud so if you skipped that entire build you would have missed nothing. It was dumb. It wasn't for the streak... it wasn't even for a heel turn. It did lead to one of the best Heel promos of all time the next day... before next week's "Golly gee... I sure do respect the Undertaker" followed by the comedically long beatdown from Braun. That said I voted for Reigns vs. Lensar 2 mainly since it lead to nothing either the building the f5 as a death move only to have Roman kick out of it was super telegraphed so bad the crowd did not care... and they KEPT doing it in the match. That said Even the crowd was resigned to just getting the damn "yay Roman wins the title at mania" band aid off and move forward... and the match couldn't even deliver on that.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 23, 2019 22:16:34 GMT -5
If I remember right you're absolutely correct in saying that Vince just thought it was a dream match that needed to happen before Taker's retirement. I think the reports said those exact words. It wasn't for any title, it wasn't for who's the best guy in the company right now because Orton/Wyatt and Lesnar/Goldberg were BEFORE them and had way shorter matches. It didn't make any sense. After the match Reigns didn't really change his character either besides saying "hey I beat Taker now yall gotta respect me" which still put the crowd against him. If the match never happened then nothing would have changed. The guy went back to that Strowman feud so if you skipped that entire build you would have missed nothing. It was dumb. It wasn't for the streak... it wasn't even for a heel turn. It did lead to one of the best Heel promos of all time the next day... before next week's "Golly gee... I sure do respect the Undertaker" followed by the comedically long beatdown from Braun. That said I voted for Reigns vs. Lensar 2 mainly since it lead to nothing either the building the f5 as a death move only to have Roman kick out of it was super telegraphed so bad the crowd did not care... and they KEPT doing it in the match. That said Even the crowd was resigned to just getting the damn "yay Roman wins the title at mania" band aid off and move forward... and the match couldn't even deliver on that. Oh yeah I remember that whole "respect Taker" thing. All week I remember some wondering if they were really going to flip the switch. Sure, we knew they wouldn't but it would have been cool. Also the whole "hey Reigns is gonna be bleeding in this Lesnar match, get a Super Saiyan power up AND STILL LOSE THE MATCH" thing was wild. The crowd didn't even react to it.
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Post by Gus Richlen Was Wrong on Dec 23, 2019 22:46:58 GMT -5
Easily Miz vs. Cena for me. None of the other matches were nearly as damaging in the long run.
By contrast, Miz vs. Cena ushered in the Part-Timer Era which has had a hugely negative effect on the product. It resulted in Cena vs. Rock overshadowing damn near everything, and the unwanted rematch came at the expense of Punk's great run. Hell, he honestly should have headlined 28 against Jericho but instead he got shafted in favor of the part-time guy. In addition, Miz was basically ignored in the buildup and has never truly recovered since and ended up getting buried again along with R-Truth in the 28 build. Add to that the fact that the match sucked and came at the end of the worst WM since 9 and it adds up to not only the worst main event but also the most damaging.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 23, 2019 22:48:47 GMT -5
Hell, he honestly should have headlined 28 against Jericho but instead he got shafted in favor of the part-time guy. To be fair, while Rock / Cena isn't good, I'd a hell of a lot rather watch it than that Punk / Jericho borefest.
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Post by Jedi-El of Tomorrow on Dec 23, 2019 22:49:43 GMT -5
There's several candidates to choose from: Miz/Cena: Not only was this sunk before it got started by awful booking focused solely on the Rock, but the match itself would've been utterly boring as a Raw main event - having it as a Mania main event was just insulting. Which is strange, because their television matches were usually good, especially their one on the Rock Birthday Raw, which was the only good thing about that terrible episode. On tv they deliver, but on ppv, their matches fall way short. Also, Cena was knocked loopy early in this Mania match. Watch when Cena is whipped into the turnbuckles, he faceplants hard on the ring. Dude was not all there after that, and that was early in the match. So you've got an out of it Cena, and the match being a commercial for next year. Miz and Cena were hung out to dry in that match.
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Post by cabbageboy on Dec 23, 2019 23:27:46 GMT -5
I would have said Miz/Cena but thought it was at least just about 10 minutes but then looked it up and it was almost 20. Yikes. Either way I voted HHH/Reigns mainly because of how utterly bored I was during it. On a card where we saw a crazed ladder match, Shane crash off of a HIAC, etc. I was in no mood to see HHH work the arm when it was almost midnight.
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Post by Bub (BLM) on Dec 23, 2019 23:53:08 GMT -5
Miz vs. Cena. Alex Riley blew a spot, and Miz was third wheel after The Rock.
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Post by KAMALARAMBO: BOOMSHAKALAKA!!! on Dec 24, 2019 0:05:13 GMT -5
I voted Miz/Cena because while HHH/Reigns sucked at least the company got behind it and tried to make it a big deal. With the way Miz/Cena played out it’s like they wanted a filler match to prop up Rock/Cena. The problem was the filler was the f***ing main event of WrestleMania and Rock/Cena wasn’t happening for a whole year.
Although one thing I remember about HHH/Reigns that always makes me chuckle is an obvious non-fan reviewed the event for a major newspaper (the Washington Post maybe?). In it the writer pointed out how Reigns was obviously the bad guy since he was getting booed throughout the match. The writer had no idea that Reigns was supposed to be the face of the company, so it really showed how tone def WWE was in trying to appeal to new fans.
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