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Post by government mule on Dec 24, 2019 8:39:47 GMT -5
Reigns/HHH was totally unnecessary as a WM main event and Trips had no business being the WWE champion having won the Royal Rumble in 2016. Pure best example of both Vince and Trips forcing what they think that the fans want down their throats, culminating in a ridiculously boring no heat match.
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Post by TheMediocreWarrior on Dec 24, 2019 9:39:44 GMT -5
Looking at this list makes me realize how WrestleMania has fallen from the days of Andre/Hogan, Hogan/Warrior, Hart/Michaels, and Austin/Rock.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 24, 2019 9:47:13 GMT -5
Reigns/HHH was totally unnecessary as a WM main event and Trips had no business being the WWE champion having won the Royal Rumble in 2016. Pure best example of both Vince and Trips forcing what they think that the fans want down their throats, culminating in a ridiculously boring no heat match. The thing that also gets me about Roman vs. HHH is that it was just a straight up one on one match without a No DQ/No Holds Barred stipulation. I understand they already did one of those matches earlier that night between Ambrose/Lesnar, but you'd think after Roman destroyed HHH at TLC and HHH beat Roman to a bloody pulp in Detroit there'd be some weapons involved.
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Post by Gravedigger's Biscuits on Dec 24, 2019 10:11:34 GMT -5
Reigns/Taker.
As already touched upon - completely forced reasoning for having the match in the first place. And the match itself sucked.
Roman/Brock II was also incredibly forced but at least the match was 'okay'. Reigns/HHH was dull but would have just been easily forgettable if it wasn't the main event.
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Post by kidkamikaze10 on Dec 24, 2019 10:32:47 GMT -5
Wow, there really was only two great main event this decade.
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Post by Instant Classic on Dec 24, 2019 11:47:39 GMT -5
Reigns vs Triple H Reigns vs Undertaker Cena vs Miz
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Post by A Platypus Rave on Dec 24, 2019 14:15:15 GMT -5
Reigns/HHH was totally unnecessary as a WM main event and Trips had no business being the WWE champion having won the Royal Rumble in 2016. Pure best example of both Vince and Trips forcing what they think that the fans want down their throats, culminating in a ridiculously boring no heat match. Not only that ... Dean vs. HHH at Road block was an infinitely better match...
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Post by eJm on Dec 24, 2019 14:59:51 GMT -5
Also, who was Reigns / Taker even FOR? At least Reigns / Triple H was the logical payoff to the previous couple of years worth of storylines and if you were a Roman fan you more or less would've gotten what you wanted out of the finish. Reigns / Taker was just a half-baked bit of nothing where the build did far more to make you want to see Taker / Braun than the match they were actually doing and seems to have only happened because Vince thought that Reigns / Taker was a dream match that needed to happen before Taker stepped away, while the other side of the actual dream match people wanted was in a pointless tag match propping up a relationship that ended within the year anyway for the purposes of a reality show. If I remember right you're absolutely correct in saying that Vince just thought it was a dream match that needed to happen before Taker's retirement. I think the reports said those exact words. It wasn't for any title, it wasn't for who's the best guy in the company right now because Orton/Wyatt and Lesnar/Goldberg were BEFORE them and had way shorter matches. It didn't make any sense. After the match Reigns didn't really change his character either besides saying "hey I beat Taker now yall gotta respect me" which still put the crowd against him. If the match never happened then nothing would have changed. The guy went back to that Strowman feud so if you skipped that entire build you would have missed nothing. It was dumb. God I wish you’d all stop reminding me of Roman’s amazing post ‘Mania promo ending with the commentators basically going “Disregard all of that because the fans who paid the most to come to these shows are the outliers of how WE see Roman” and then followed THAT up by having Roman feel bad for what was one of the biggest wins of his career. And then Braun almost killed him and everyone cheered. Because of course they did.
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Post by nate5054 on Dec 24, 2019 15:00:10 GMT -5
Reigns/Taker was just the absolute worst. I don't remember Reigns/HHH (like right now I legit don't know who won it... I'm guessing it was Reigns), though I'm sure it was awful too.
Though I wonder if the fact I remember the first one makes it better than something that was totally forgettable.
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Post by A Platypus Rave on Dec 24, 2019 15:09:06 GMT -5
If I remember right you're absolutely correct in saying that Vince just thought it was a dream match that needed to happen before Taker's retirement. I think the reports said those exact words. It wasn't for any title, it wasn't for who's the best guy in the company right now because Orton/Wyatt and Lesnar/Goldberg were BEFORE them and had way shorter matches. It didn't make any sense. After the match Reigns didn't really change his character either besides saying "hey I beat Taker now yall gotta respect me" which still put the crowd against him. If the match never happened then nothing would have changed. The guy went back to that Strowman feud so if you skipped that entire build you would have missed nothing. It was dumb. God I wish you’d all stop reminding me of Roman’s amazing post ‘Mania promo ending with the commentators basically going “Disregard all of that because the fans who paid the most to come to these shows are the outliers of how WE see Roman” and then followed THAT up by having Roman feel bad for what was one of the biggest wins of his career. And then Braun almost killed him and everyone cheered. Because of course they did. To be fair I think anyone would start getting cheered after teh Comically long beatdown... the fact that it was Roman on the receiving end did pretty much ensure that Braun was a Main Event Super face for a while after... but yeah... "THIS IS MY YARD NOW" is probably the best heel promo of the decade... Ruined by Cole's lol Bizzaro land they actually like Roman! and you know... Reigns was still supposed to be a face...
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Post by "Cane Dewey" Johnson on Dec 24, 2019 16:32:59 GMT -5
Wow, I'm surprised I've seen so many of these: I haven't been a WWE watcher in years and years, but I guess my cousin and friends having WM viewing parties has at least kept me in the loop on these. Also...holy shit look at how many of these main events were just flat-out awful. Hard to think of other major promotions that took their biggest show of the year and just put on garbage in the main event spot most of the time (WM 30 obviously the exception here, and I didn't see this year's show so I can't speak to it)...I guess WCW once it got into the Hogan era of 1995-2000 with Starrcade, but at least that wasn't a full decade. I mean...the company died before that could happen. Anyway, yikes. Um...I'd go with Reigns vs. Triple H for being interminably long, but as I recall my girlfriend and I actually left the party we were at early because the match was going forever and we both had work the next day, so it just wasn't worth it. Miz vs. Cena was abominable and I agree that it killed Miz dead as a main eventer, so it deserves votes. Reigns/Taker was just sad, little more to be said. Reigns/Lesnar was pointless, and that might be the biggest crime of all. But screw it, I'll go with Cena/Rock 2. Their first match wasn't good but it at least had the surprise Rock victory, but the second match really embodied everything wrong with the WWE "main event style" of match, namely the finisher spamming with no regard whatsoever to psychology, storytelling, or anything else compelling while stretching 10-15 minutes worth of material well past where it could feasibly go and still be tolerable. Obviously didn't help that Rock was well past his best ring conditioning, but yeah, ugly and dull and sent the crowd home feeling anything from "meh" to "@#$% this." Absolutely. The main events of Wrestlemanias 27, 28, and 29 were previews of all the things that people dislike about more recent Wrestlemanias: over-reliance on part-timers who are past their prime, pushing part-timers at the expense of regularly appearing talent, pushing babyfaces who the fans can't and won't 100% get behind, matches that spam high spots and finishers with no logical connections between them, and so on. As someone mentioned already, WM 27 was a commercial for WM 28, but that show was also a commercial for WM 29, when John Cena gets his win back. As someone who was completely done with Cena at that point, and knowing that Cena has been done with WWE for a while now, the whole endeavour was an exercise in pointlessness.
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Post by Nickybojelais on Dec 24, 2019 20:12:00 GMT -5
I could make a strong case for all of those matches listed except HBK/Taker, Bryan/Orton/Batista & Reigns/Lesnar/Rollins. The Tens has been a sorry decade for main events.
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Post by Corre.222 on Dec 25, 2019 14:14:15 GMT -5
I really liked Reigns/Taker, but Reigns/HHH was absolutely horrific
The only reason why HHH won the belt in the Royal Rumble was ONLY for Roman Reigns to get it back. But because we already had the moment of Roman Reigns winning the title for the first time very shortly before that WrestleMania, it didn't feel like a big moment when he won it in WrestleMania. When Roman beat HHH in WrestleMania, you were just where you were before the Rumble when HHH won.
No moment. Push & Pull. Which was drastically different than something like Daniel Bryan winning in 2014.
Also considering that HHH wanted to be in the main event, and that the entire show sucked & we were fatigued, and that push & pull stuff, the whole thing could NOT feel any more anti-climactic.
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Post by The Yes Man on Dec 25, 2019 15:53:34 GMT -5
Reigns vs HHH should’ve been great, HHH could go (and still can) and Reigns is great. But they decided to do a slow methodical match instead of a 10-15 minute fast paced brawl which would’ve better suited the feud, Roman, and the show in general.
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Post by Alice Syndrome on Dec 25, 2019 16:27:31 GMT -5
Look, there is nothing that gives me bad memories like Roman vs Lesnar 2
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Post by Oh Cry Me a Screwball on Dec 25, 2019 16:35:02 GMT -5
There is nothing more emblematic of the Roman Reigns super-push than Roman walking up the ramp getting the show closing pyro....after losing the main event of WrestleMania 34 to Brock Lesnar. I'd rank the Taker and Hunter matches as worse than it, but the comedy of the pyro just randomly going off while Roman is sulking with blood all over his face is the perfect visual.
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Post by Pipe_Bomb2k13 on Dec 25, 2019 20:34:25 GMT -5
WrestleMania 25 is so lucky that was the decade before cos that suffered the same fate as HHH/Roman a blood feud turned into a straight up boring wrestling match.
WM 27 is to me the worst overall show of them all this decade, when you have to look up the card cos you can't remember a thing about the show and see the matches include Michael Cole and Snooki then it get's my vote.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 25, 2019 21:31:36 GMT -5
WrestleMania 25 is so lucky that was the decade before cos that suffered the same fate as HHH/Roman a blood feud turned into a straight up boring wrestling match. WM 27 is to me the worst overall show of them all this decade, when you have to look up the card cos you can't remember a thing about the show and see the matches include Michael Cole and Snooki then it get's my vote. Personally I'd say Mania 27, as shit as it is, is WAY better than both 29 and 32. 32 is just an absolutely miserable slog that feels like it's never going to end and all the way just crushes your hopes again and again and again and again, while 29 is just a boring mess with nothing even kind of good on it and the whole thing just feels ridiculously small-time. At least 27 has Taker / Triple H, Cody / Rey, and Orton / Punk as pretty good matches, Mania 29's sole highlight is just a solid but unspectacular Punk / Taker one. And also Mania 29's time management is just appallingly bad. Both the one women's match and the Intercontinental title match got cut because they didn't have time for them, despite the fact there were only eight matches on the main show and five of them didn't make it to 11 minutes.
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Post by Pipe_Bomb2k13 on Dec 25, 2019 21:36:42 GMT -5
WrestleMania 25 is so lucky that was the decade before cos that suffered the same fate as HHH/Roman a blood feud turned into a straight up boring wrestling match. WM 27 is to me the worst overall show of them all this decade, when you have to look up the card cos you can't remember a thing about the show and see the matches include Michael Cole and Snooki then it get's my vote. Personally I'd say Mania 27, as shit as it is, is WAY better than both 29 and 32. 32 is just an absolutely miserable slog that feels like it's never going to end and all the way just crushes your hopes again and again and again and again, while 29 is just a boring mess with nothing even kind of good on it and the whole thing just feels ridiculously small-time. At least 27 has Taker / Triple H, Cody / Rey, and Orton / Punk as pretty good matches, Mania 29's sole highlight is just a solid but unspectacular Punk / Taker one. And also Mania 29's time management is just appallingly bad. Both the one women's match and the Intercontinental title match got cut because they didn't have time for them, despite the fact there were only eight matches on the main show and five of them didn't make it to 11 minutes. It feels like from like around 23/24 onwards every PPV just blends together and is difficult to separate them without looking them up, Summerslam is the worst case for me remembering what happened and which year to many similar shows back to back.
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Post by Oh Cry Me a Screwball on Dec 26, 2019 0:38:24 GMT -5
WrestleMania 25 is so lucky that was the decade before cos that suffered the same fate as HHH/Roman a blood feud turned into a straight up boring wrestling match. WM 27 is to me the worst overall show of them all this decade, when you have to look up the card cos you can't remember a thing about the show and see the matches include Michael Cole and Snooki then it get's my vote. Personally I'd say Mania 27, as shit as it is, is WAY better than both 29 and 32. 32 is just an absolutely miserable slog that feels like it's never going to end and all the way just crushes your hopes again and again and again and again, while 29 is just a boring mess with nothing even kind of good on it and the whole thing just feels ridiculously small-time. At least 27 has Taker / Triple H, Cody / Rey, and Orton / Punk as pretty good matches, Mania 29's sole highlight is just a solid but unspectacular Punk / Taker one. And also Mania 29's time management is just appallingly bad. Both the one women's match and the Intercontinental title match got cut because they didn't have time for them, despite the fact there were only eight matches on the main show and five of them didn't make it to 11 minutes. Ranking 27 vs 32's card as a whole is actually fairly difficult, because they are both bad for different executions. 27 is filled with a bunch of shitty short matches and it has literally the worst match in Wrestlemania history in its midcard. 32's ring work is miles ahead of 27's matches for the most part, but the match finishes and overall booking are way worse in almost every instance, culminating in one of Mania's all time disappointing performances in history with Ambrose vs. Lesnar.
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