Never let Nattie and Charlotte wrestle again

[TWERKIN' MAGGLE]

Bad match and they should both feel bad about it forever!

Bad!

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Charlotte's a great wrestler, but she doesn't click with everybody. Her main roster matches with Nattie have always bored the f*** out of me.

[brettappedout (BLM)]

I agree with the sentiment. Though I wouldn't say bad, just boring and done to death with no one caring.

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Dec 30, 2019 23:20:39 GMT -5 TWERKIN' MAGGLE said:

Bad match and they should both feel bad about it forever!

Bad!

[Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-]]

Natalya always has to have long, drawn out, 20 minute matches, and whoever books her like that needs to be shot out of a cannon into a cactus pit.

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All I know is someone needs to hide Beth Phoenix's Twitter so she can never threaten us again.

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Dec 30, 2019 23:28:11 GMT -5 Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] said:

Natalya always has to have long, drawn out, 20 minute matches, and whoever books her like that needs to be shot out of a cannon into a cactus pit.

Nattie's had some decent matches over the years (the falls count anywhere against Nikki Bella being one that stands out), but most of the time I'm wondering what her appeal is. Nice person and all, but man do I find her boring.

[mrpeacock]

The crowd seemed legitimately bummed out when her music hit to answer Charlottes challenge.

[TWERKIN' MAGGLE]

Dec 30, 2019 23:38:31 GMT -5 mrpeacock said:

The crowd seemed legitimately bummed out when her music hit to answer Charlottes challenge.

After 11 years of Nattie, I'm bummed when I hear her music too.

[ThankGodForSidJustice]

It was mechanically fine but it was boring and overly long as neither Charlotte and Natalya are very interesting and both are super stale at this point. Natalya has been around for over a decade now and pushed for most of it and Charlotte has been pushed at the top of the card for almost five years. Also nothing has changed when it comes it comes to either of their characters other then switching back and forth between heel and face. It's just super hard to get into anything either of one of them do especially when they are fighting each other.

They are desperately in need of new blood in the women's division. They haven't pushed anyone new since 2016. That's a big reason why I was hoping the Liv Morgan vignettes would lead to her getting a push just so we could get somebody different being a player but instead it turns it was just so she could get added to the Lashley/Lana/Rusev side show. At least Smackdown is kind of trying with Lacey Evans but who knows how long that will last. I hate to say it because I love them but them hardly ever being on TV maybe it's time to split the IIconics and give Peyton Royce a repackaging and singles push or at least if they're willing to actually push her. Or better yet just keep them together but just have Peyton wrestle singles while Billie manages her. Just anything to get a fresh singles title contender.

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What even is Charlotte's alignment right now? That whole segment registered like she's heel again but... I have no idea why she would be? I guess to be fair she just showed up one week going, "Hi, I'm face now!" so you might as well also do it the other way around too but still.

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Dec 30, 2019 23:44:46 GMT -5 ThankGodForSidJustice said:

It was mechanically fine but it was boring and overly long as neither Charlotte and Natalya are very interesting and both are super stale at this point. Natalya has been around for over a decade now and pushed for most of it and Charlotte has been pushed at the top of the card for almost five years. Also nothing has changed when it comes it comes to either of their characters other then switching back and forth between heel and face. It's just super hard to get into anything either of one of them do especially when they are fighting each other.

They are desperately in need of new blood in the women's division. They haven't pushed anyone new since 2016. That's a big reason why I was hoping the Liv Morgan vignettes would lead to her getting a push just so we could get somebody different being a player but instead it turns it was just so she could get added to the Lashley/Lana/Rusev side show. At least Smackdown is kind of trying with Lacey Evans but who knows how long that will last. I hate to say it because I love them but them hardly ever being on TV maybe it's time to split the IIconics and give Peyton Royce a repackaging and singles push or at least if they're willing to actually push her. Or better yet just keep them together but just have Peyton wrestle singles while Billie manages her. Just anything to get a fresh singles title contender.

Oh God, I hope not. I know Billie's said she doesn't want them to split her and Peyton up. I'd be cool with Peyton getting some more singles matches with Billie in her corner, though.

[Shark]

Dec 30, 2019 23:22:29 GMT -5 @dax said:

Charlotte's a great wrestler, but she doesn't click with everybody. Her main roster matches with Nattie have always bored the f*** out of me.

I know their NXT match has always gotten praise, but I said then and I still maintain that it was half of a good match. The first 5-6 minutes of that match were painfully dull. Once the match kicked into another gear it was great, but that was it.

[ThankGodForSidJustice]

Dec 30, 2019 23:29:53 GMT -5 @dax said:

Dec 30, 2019 23:28:11 GMT -5 Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] said:

Natalya always has to have long, drawn out, 20 minute matches, and whoever books her like that needs to be shot out of a cannon into a cactus pit.

Nattie's had some decent matches over the years (the falls count anywhere against Nikki Bella being one that stands out), but most of the time I'm wondering what her appeal is. Nice person and all, but man do I find her boring.

I think simply reliability is the big reason why they love her so much. Natalya is a SUPER durable wrestler in that she never gets injured. If I'm not mistaken Natalya has never missed any time for injury during her entire run which on like 11 years plus. Like her or not that is incredible especially for a woman with them having less mass and generally not being able to handle the wear and tear and abuse the job withholds that a guy is probably going to be able to. That has a lot to do with it since they probably figure they can count on her when they need her in that she's always going to be there and they're not going to worry about her getting hurt and missing long periods of time. Also since she seems to be a nice person and has a lot of experience I think they like her as someone who can help the young girls out as she'll have patience to deal with them while also getting a solid match out of them. I wouldn't have a problem with this if they actually had her put over the young girls like she's supposed to. Like really was there any reason why she had to win the Lacey feud? The Ruby Riott one I kind of understood with the storyline surrounding but having Lacey who is seven years younger, a lot newer, and is someone who they seem to be high on lose to Natalya made no sense at all.

Unfortunately despite the things has going for her she is super boring and a total buzzkill at this point. The fact that she's also consistently booked fairly strong makes it worse. Like I'm seriously getting super tired of her getting tons of ring time and shine in the Survivor Series and Royal Rumble every year just because they like her to be "traffic cop". I mean they've got Becky and Bayley two other vets and ring generals in their own rights who are more interesting and also seem to be patient and easy to deal with. Why not put them in charge of that? Instead we always get Natalya getting booked super strong and eliminating tons of people for no reason.

[ThankGodForSidJustice]

Dec 30, 2019 23:54:48 GMT -5 @dax said:

Dec 30, 2019 23:44:46 GMT -5 ThankGodForSidJustice said:

It was mechanically fine but it was boring and overly long as neither Charlotte and Natalya are very interesting and both are super stale at this point. Natalya has been around for over a decade now and pushed for most of it and Charlotte has been pushed at the top of the card for almost five years. Also nothing has changed when it comes it comes to either of their characters other then switching back and forth between heel and face. It's just super hard to get into anything either of one of them do especially when they are fighting each other.

They are desperately in need of new blood in the women's division. They haven't pushed anyone new since 2016. That's a big reason why I was hoping the Liv Morgan vignettes would lead to her getting a push just so we could get somebody different being a player but instead it turns it was just so she could get added to the Lashley/Lana/Rusev side show. At least Smackdown is kind of trying with Lacey Evans but who knows how long that will last. I hate to say it because I love them but them hardly ever being on TV maybe it's time to split the IIconics and give Peyton Royce a repackaging and singles push or at least if they're willing to actually push her. Or better yet just keep them together but just have Peyton wrestle singles while Billie manages her. Just anything to get a fresh singles title contender.

Oh God, I hope not. I know Billie's said she doesn't want them to split her and Peyton up. I'd be cool with Peyton getting some more singles matches with Billie in her corner, though.

I know they won't like it since they seem so close IRL but they're going to have to split eventually. I love them together but at the same I think there could be a lot of potential in Peyton as a singles in that she's got a great look and is talented in ring. They desperately need a new star in the singles division and with a good gimmick I think she's someone who could be it. Keeping them together with Billie as more of a manager and occasional tag partner I think could work too as I believe that's how they were used towards the end of their NXT run, although I can't remember if it was because Billie was hurt or if it was just by design.

[hbkid718]

It was only their 19th 1-on-1 Match in their Career going back to NXT.

[One-Armed Drummer of Defrebel]

If I had to think of the most boring women's matches of the decade I think a good 50% of them would involve Natalya

[chazraps]

Dec 30, 2019 23:22:29 GMT -5 @dax said:

Charlotte's a great wrestler, but she doesn't click with everybody. Her main roster matches with Nattie have always bored the f*** out of me.

I really, really liked the Road Block one.

[Mozenrath]

Dec 30, 2019 23:29:53 GMT -5 @dax said:

Dec 30, 2019 23:28:11 GMT -5 Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] said:

Natalya always has to have long, drawn out, 20 minute matches, and whoever books her like that needs to be shot out of a cannon into a cactus pit.

Nattie's had some decent matches over the years (the falls count anywhere against Nikki Bella being one that stands out), but most of the time I'm wondering what her appeal is. Nice person and all, but man do I find her boring.

I think she shines sometimes, but they really don't do her any favors.

Kudos for the Falls Count Anywhere match, that was genuinely a lot of fun.

[EoE: Well There's Your Problem]

Like I said in the RAW thread... RAW needs fresh talent in their women’s division because there are so few fresh match pairings right now with what healthy talents they have. Right now, they have Lynch, Asuka, Flair, Natalya, Royce, Kay and Logan as their only healthy talents. Morgan will probably be added to that soon now she’s actually back, but I’d assume there’s a program with Lana to do first. Lana is usually a manager, and the same goes for Vega. Sane is week-to-week because of this concussion from TLC. They haven’t had Riott and Jax for most of the year because of injuries, and Naomi’s been off the road for months because of Jimmy Uso’s situation with the DUI arrest. You add those five talents in Morgan, Sane, Riott, Jax and Naomi, and that’s a whole bunch of combos you can go to in a pinch.

But they probably need two or three more people just to be safe, in which case I say keep Purrazzo and Green around (Green worked Main Event, so it’s on the table) and move Belair over from NXT.