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Post by Deleted on Jan 9, 2020 13:02:53 GMT -5
Screw the man, woo the boos and ovaries are mine! #stophavingbadmatchesinmainevent #iwantmoregalsmaineventsregardless
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Post by repomark on Jan 9, 2020 13:19:31 GMT -5
100% incorrect. WM32 proved that! I was there, and from a personal standpoint (since I can't speak for thousands of people on this), is that people were just tired. Not because the women were main eventing. Plus, it wasn't very warm out, and that doesn't help when it's already Monday morning. Yea me being there as well, the reactions was there for the entrances and the finish came out of nowhere but the match itself didn't really have people on pins and needles because it was after 12 at night People were tired, the match itself was fine but as I keep saying main eventing WM is not really a luxury when the show is 7 hours long I was also there and agree the match was hamstrung by coming at the end of such a long, long event. That said, I still thought it was a great match and was delighted to see Becky get her big moment. Shoulder being up aside (which I still think was a work to set up a later match) I also really liked the finish. There are not enough out of nowhere non finisher pins anymore. This is one of the big problems with being able to create false finishes now, because the audience is conditioned to know nothing other than the fifth finisher will be the end at Mania. The art of the false finish is being completely lost. |
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Post by PKO on Jan 9, 2020 19:32:29 GMT -5
There’s a great quote in The Marvelous Mrs Maisel along these lines: “How come men fail and people say, ‘You gave it the old college try,’ but women fail and they say, ‘You gave it the old college try, but you shouldn't be in college’?”Typical double standards. Seth Rollins and other male wrestlers tell fans not to stalk them at airports or hotels. Everybody agrees. Sasha Banks says the same? So many people lost their minds. Absolutely. What blows my mind about that is that Sasha told a specific story about how she was sent home with a concussion and there were fans at her airport waiting with things for her to sign. She questioned how they knew she was there and they had rang up the airport and asked the staff to call them when she’s coming in. That’s literally stalker-work. Like, how the f*** do you hear a story like that and come away thinking she’s ungrateful or out of order? Because no-one listened to the interview, that’s how. They read some recap and judged her for that. If Bully Ray had a concussion and found out fans were ringing airports to try and track his whereabouts so they could get his autograph...do you think he’d be ok with that?* He certainly had no problems trashing Sasha. * This is purely hypothetical as no-one wants a Bully Ray signature that much |
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Post by Cranjis McBasketball on Jan 9, 2020 19:58:20 GMT -5
Women should main event when it’s the hottest story they have, which it was last year. The botch at the end took a lot out, so did inserting Charlotte, but it was fine.
There’s been a few times they shouldn’t have went last, Mania wasn’t one of them.
If they know what’s up, Ronda comes back with a legit claim to having never lost.
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Post by theironyuppie on Jan 9, 2020 21:25:19 GMT -5
Yea me being there as well, the reactions was there for the entrances and the finish came out of nowhere but the match itself didn't really have people on pins and needles because it was after 12 at night People were tired, the match itself was fine but as I keep saying main eventing WM is not really a luxury when the show is 7 hours long I was also there and agree the match was hamstrung by coming at the end of such a long, long event. That said, I still thought it was a great match and was delighted to see Becky get her big moment. Shoulder being up aside (which I still think was a work to set up a later match) I also really liked the finish. There are not enough out of nowhere non finisher pins anymore. This is one of the big problems with being able to create false finishes now, because the audience is conditioned to know nothing other than the fifth finisher will be the end at Mania. The art of the false finish is being completely lost.
I thought it also made sense on the basic level that Ronda's wrestling inexperience was shown up by her falling victim to a wrestling counter.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 9, 2020 21:29:30 GMT -5
This reminds of how people deduce they should cancel the women’s Rumble just because they didn’t enjoy it last year or the year before. Yeah, that bothered me a bit. I really enjoyed the first Women's Rumble and while I'll agree that last year's wasn't great, you can't say people weren't invested. |
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Post by DSR on Jan 9, 2020 23:19:12 GMT -5
Reminds me of the argument when Wonder Woman was coming out and people were saying the same thing about a woman being the front of a superhero movie. Will it be successful? Can it work? Meanwhile, Ben Affleck sucks at batman and he got to be him in two movies I disagree, not about the movies, but both Affleck and Henry Cavill were great in the roles, the writing failed them. HELL YEAH! |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 9, 2020 23:34:50 GMT -5
The ending was shit even if the pin wasn’t botched. Roll ups are great to give underdog a big win or advancing a storyline with a distraction or a “fluke” situation.
You don’t end WrestleMania with a roll up.
Rhonda doesn’t want to tap?
Have Becky debut a new finisher.
Hit a Beck-polder off the top rope through a table or some shit.
or even pinning Charlotte would have been better than a roll up.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 10, 2020 0:32:18 GMT -5
The ending was shit even if the pin wasn’t botched. Roll ups are great to give underdog a big win or advancing a storyline with a distraction or a “fluke” situation. You don’t end WrestleMania with a roll up. Rhonda doesn’t want to tap? Have Becky debut a new finisher. Hit a Beck-polder off the top rope through a table or some shit. or even pinning Charlotte would have been better than a roll up. They should've established the Lass Ride as a legitimate finisher for Becky in the months leading up to WM. |
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Post by flakeymcgill on Jan 10, 2020 1:47:48 GMT -5
There isn't an issue with women being in the main event at Wrestlemania or a feature of any show. There's no issue with women's sport in general. The problem is when men think they're being helpful by deliberately holding the standard to a lower one than they would men and criticising anyone who holds it to the same critical standard as the men's equivalent.
If a women's match sucks it should be okay to say that, exactly the same as the men's matches. Those who watch a botch-filled women's match and then pretend they've just seen Steamboat vs Savage II, do so much damage to the potential growth and credibility of women's wrestling it absolutely infuriates those of us who enjoy it on par with the men's division.
You see it in other sports too where a bang average women's soccer match is praised to high heaven by people who if the exact same quality was on display in a men's match they'd tear it to shreds. I honestly do not think what these people think they are achieving but they are absolutely the biggest barrier to women in sport being seen in the eyes of the public as equal to men.
If something's great - say it. If something sucks - say it.
Instead we get people who must think "Well, that sucked, but I'll look better if I pretend it was amazing". Genuinely angers me how patronising that attitude is.
My sister is a boxer and she competes at local-level and she's told me before how utterly humiliating it is when she knows she's had a poor fight for men to come up to her and praise her in a way she knows they don't to other men when they've had a poor fight. As if men use the undeserved praised of sportswomen in order to make themselves feel better and 'woke'.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 10, 2020 22:35:39 GMT -5
Something I've always wondered about botched finishes like Rousey's shoulder being off the mat - if they know for sure that's the finish, and if the show is on a slight delay, couldn't they switch to a camera angle where the botch wasn't obvious?
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Post by Deleted on Jan 11, 2020 2:33:25 GMT -5
The ending was shit even if the pin wasn’t botched. Roll ups are great to give underdog a big win or advancing a storyline with a distraction or a “fluke” situation. You don’t end WrestleMania with a roll up. Rhonda doesn’t want to tap? Have Becky debut a new finisher. Hit a Beck-polder off the top rope through a table or some shit. or even pinning Charlotte would have been better than a roll up. They should've established the Lass Ride as a legitimate finisher for Becky in the months leading up to WM. Hang on... Yep. Holy shit if she won Mania with that it would have been great. Have her reverse some Rhonda into it would have been perfect. Want to Protect Rhonda? Then have her kick out at 3.5 we don’t see that used enough. Becky gets the clean win. Rhonda still looks strong. But then for 1000 years we would see Rhonda forgot to kick out threads so maybe not... :/ |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 11, 2020 2:47:39 GMT -5
They should've established the Lass Ride as a legitimate finisher for Becky in the months leading up to WM. Hang on... Yep. Holy shit if she won Mania with that it would have been great. Have her reverse some Rhonda into it would have been perfect. Want to Protect Rhonda? Then have her kick out at 3.5 we don’t see that used enough. Becky gets the clean win. Rhonda still looks strong. But then for 1000 years we would see Rhonda forgot to kick out threads so maybe not... :/ Yeah, it would've been an easy finish to book. Maybe Charlotte hits Ronda with a Spear or something and it looks like she's going to win, only for Becky to come in and dump her out of the ring, hit Ronda with the Lass Ride, and win. It'd be kinda like the SummerSlam finish when Becky had the title won until Charlotte broke up the Dis-Arm-Her with Natural Selection. |
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Post by theironyuppie on Jan 11, 2020 6:15:26 GMT -5
Hang on... Yep. Holy shit if she won Mania with that it would have been great. Have her reverse some Rhonda into it would have been perfect. Want to Protect Rhonda? Then have her kick out at 3.5 we don’t see that used enough. Becky gets the clean win. Rhonda still looks strong. But then for 1000 years we would see Rhonda forgot to kick out threads so maybe not... :/ Yeah, it would've been an easy finish to book. Maybe Charlotte hits Ronda with a Spear or something and it looks like she's going to win, only for Becky to come in and dump her out of the ring, hit Ronda with the Lass Ride, and win. It'd be kinda like the SummerSlam finish when Becky had the title won until Charlotte broke up the Dis-Arm-Her with Natural Selection. I’m still surprised they didn’t do a callback to that Summerslam finish at Mania, but with Becky kicking out this time. |
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Post by Super Duper Dragunov on Jan 11, 2020 10:07:57 GMT -5
The match itself wasn't horrible, but as another poster said, it was the ending being Sting vs. Hogan levels of bad that just ruined it.
Almost like someone in charge told a certain someone else to pop their shoulders up so a manifest destiny thing could happen that made the match look bad...
#conspiracytheory
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Post by schma on Jan 12, 2020 13:35:37 GMT -5
It was a damn fine match with a terrible nothing ending. Roll ups happen all the time on Raw and Smackdown but this was the main event with a lot of story behind it. If you're going to do a crappy roll up finish, don't use that camera angle for it. For me though it was kind of like Mass Effect 3, this epic game with a big back story building from many things and then a complete what the hell was that? kind of ending that taints what came before it.
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