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Post by Jedi-El of Tomorrow on Jan 30, 2020 1:14:35 GMT -5
Has anyone been both totally polarizing and yet beloved as Kobe? His Airness when he played. He was loved, and hated at the same time. What helped Michael, is that the internet wasn't as big when he was playing, so you didn't see the hate for him except locally.
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Post by Cyno on Jan 30, 2020 13:58:32 GMT -5
Has anyone been both totally polarizing and yet beloved as Kobe? His Airness when he played. He was loved, and hated at the same time. What helped Michael, is that the internet wasn't as big when he was playing, so you didn't see the hate for him except locally. Jordan also wasn't accused of rape, so that certainly helped. If he was involved with something that high profile, it would've tarnished his legacy internet or no internet.
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Jan 30, 2020 14:29:18 GMT -5
His Airness when he played. He was loved, and hated at the same time. What helped Michael, is that the internet wasn't as big when he was playing, so you didn't see the hate for him except locally. Jordan also wasn't accused of rape, so that certainly helped. If he was involved with something that high profile, it would've tarnished his legacy internet or no internet. The thing is to that the rape stuff went away once the case got thrown out The rape allegations are only coming back now as part of his history now that he is dead
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Post by arrogantmodel on Jan 30, 2020 14:31:45 GMT -5
Hoping against hope that Kobe didn't big league his way to getting the copter to take off, but it's the most likely possibility. My buddy and I talked about this. He was wondering how they could get airborne in that fog. I saw that the pilot was qualified to fly in those conditions, but if everything was grounded, I can only imagine Kobe going, "Look, we gotta get to the game, I'll pay you more and whatever fines we might get."
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Post by Deleted on Feb 1, 2020 0:20:42 GMT -5
Randomly listening to a Wayne track from Tha Block is Hot and he said "I got 100 on Kobe I hope he playin it right" and I immediately had to stop the track. Man...
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Feb 1, 2020 0:36:37 GMT -5
Randomly listening to a Wayne track from Tha Block is Hot and he said "I got 100 on Kobe I hope he playin it right" and I immediately had to stop the track. Man... He gave Kobe a 24 second moment of silence on his album
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Post by Cyno on Feb 1, 2020 0:41:07 GMT -5
Randomly listening to a Wayne track from Tha Block is Hot and he said "I got 100 on Kobe I hope he playin it right" and I immediately had to stop the track. Man... There's so much rap with Kobe references that become weird as hell to listen to now. Like Twista's "Overnight Celebrity" randomly came up for me today and I just couldn't listen to it past the "Give you ice like Kobe, right" lyric.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 1, 2020 0:47:18 GMT -5
Randomly listening to a Wayne track from Tha Block is Hot and he said "I got 100 on Kobe I hope he playin it right" and I immediately had to stop the track. Man... He gave Kobe a 24 second moment of silence on his album I still haven't listened to it yet but I will this weekend. I've been stuck on that NORE interview with him. Wayne's such a legend lol.
Randomly listening to a Wayne track from Tha Block is Hot and he said "I got 100 on Kobe I hope he playin it right" and I immediately had to stop the track. Man... There's so much rap with Kobe references that become weird as hell to listen to now. Like Twista's "Overnight Celebrity" randomly came up for me today and I just couldn't listen to it past the "Give you ice like Kobe, right" lyric. There's way more references than I thought. WAAAAAAAAAAYYYYYYYYYYY more. Like, I thought we had enough "Zab Judah" "jab like Zab" bars but the amount of Kobe bars is way more than I thought. I guess we were just used to it that it went over our heads like when "swag" started being said.
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Post by James Fabiano on Feb 10, 2020 15:03:17 GMT -5
Jordan also wasn't accused of rape, so that certainly helped. If he was involved with something that high profile, it would've tarnished his legacy internet or no internet. The thing is to that the rape stuff went away once the case got thrown out The rape allegations are only coming back now as part of his history now that he is dead Which I am somewhere in the middle about. Yes, I can understand people saying "too soon" if you mention that now. But on the other hand, I am also one who thinks "don't speak ill of the dead" <> rewriting history. Which happens all too often. (dying = the ultimate PR. It sells music, sells movies, and buys forgiveness for [almost] anything) Where's the proper stance to be on this? When do people use up their "don't speak ill..." points? Kind of off-topic, kind of not, I know...
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Feb 10, 2020 15:20:19 GMT -5
The thing is to that the rape stuff went away once the case got thrown out The rape allegations are only coming back now as part of his history now that he is dead Which I am somewhere in the middle about. Yes, I can understand people saying "too soon" if you mention that now. But on the other hand, I am also one who thinks "don't speak ill of the dead" <> rewriting history. Which happens all too often. (dying = the ultimate PR. It sells music, sells movies, and buys forgiveness for [almost] anything) Where's the proper stance to be on this? When do people use up their "don't speak ill..." points? Kind of off-topic, kind of not, I know... It is part of his history but as Lisa Leslie said the media had years to ask Kobe these questions and did not. This was a dead issue until he died. It is not really speaking ill of the dead but more so trying to muddy the water in which a man can't defend himself
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Post by James Fabiano on Feb 10, 2020 16:47:17 GMT -5
Which I am somewhere in the middle about. Yes, I can understand people saying "too soon" if you mention that now. But on the other hand, I am also one who thinks "don't speak ill of the dead" <> rewriting history. Which happens all too often. (dying = the ultimate PR. It sells music, sells movies, and buys forgiveness for [almost] anything) Where's the proper stance to be on this? When do people use up their "don't speak ill..." points? Kind of off-topic, kind of not, I know... It is part of his history but as Lisa Leslie said the media had years to ask Kobe these questions and did not. This was a dead issue until he died. It is not really speaking ill of the dead but more so trying to muddy the water in which a man can't defend himself To continue our philosophical exploration here, is it ever okay to muddy the waters? I've seen plenty of tales told about the deceased, with some people feeling it justified to remind us. No matter if it's based on fact or rumor. (Besides of course the painfully obvious, i.e. murderers, dictators, etc.)
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Post by Deleted on Feb 10, 2020 17:11:31 GMT -5
Which I am somewhere in the middle about. Yes, I can understand people saying "too soon" if you mention that now. But on the other hand, I am also one who thinks "don't speak ill of the dead" <> rewriting history. Which happens all too often. (dying = the ultimate PR. It sells music, sells movies, and buys forgiveness for [almost] anything) Where's the proper stance to be on this? When do people use up their "don't speak ill..." points? Kind of off-topic, kind of not, I know... It is part of his history but as Lisa Leslie said the media had years to ask Kobe these questions and did not. This was a dead issue until he died. It is not really speaking ill of the dead but more so trying to muddy the water in which a man can't defend himself That is exactly how I feel about the media druging this shit up when the man is now dead.....yall wanna start bring up this now that he cannot defend himself but don't bother asking him when he was alive....f*** outta here with that. The way this woman spoke and ripped into that journalist that druged it up in the first really says it all.
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Feb 10, 2020 18:01:30 GMT -5
It is part of his history but as Lisa Leslie said the media had years to ask Kobe these questions and did not. This was a dead issue until he died. It is not really speaking ill of the dead but more so trying to muddy the water in which a man can't defend himself To continue our philosophical exploration here, is it ever okay to muddy the waters? I've seen plenty of tales told about the deceased, with some people feeling it justified to remind us. No matter if it's based on fact or rumor. (Besides of course the painfully obvious, i.e. murderers, dictators, etc.) It depends. There are some monsters in the closet that don't get released until a person is dead. However, there is something to be said for when things are brought in an attempt to try to damage a person or kill a legacy. With things like Kobe and Michael Jackson, they had their days in court and it was supposed to end there. With them dying, the media tries to open the door to making their legacy complicated when they had years to ask these questions. It just comes across as really disingenuous as a whole when they do it this way
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Feb 10, 2020 18:15:11 GMT -5
It is part of his history but as Lisa Leslie said the media had years to ask Kobe these questions and did not. This was a dead issue until he died. It is not really speaking ill of the dead but more so trying to muddy the water in which a man can't defend himself That is exactly how I feel about the media druging this shit up when the man is now dead.....yall wanna start bring up this now that he cannot defend himself but don't bother asking him when he was alive....f*** outta here with that. The way this woman spoke and ripped into that journalist that druged it up in the first really says it all. Ultimately, it just looks bad because what they describe as "complicated" really isn't. His history isn't a secret that they tried to make it out to be. Ultimately, the biggest thing is that there is a time and place. The man just died, and his family is still in a grieving process. Lisa Leslie will probably have the best response you can ever have for this. It happened but these things are left in the past and if you had questions you should have talked to him when he was alive.
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Post by XIII on Feb 10, 2020 18:24:40 GMT -5
The problem with the Kobe rape deal is that (as far as I know) the only people that know exactly what happened are Kobe and the (alleged) victim so it doesn’t do much good for people that had nothing to do with it opine about it. Kobe is gone and can’t say anything, so all they could really do is talk to the woman about it, but even that isn’t all that fruitful I don’t think. Still better than hearing reporters talk about it though.
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Post by James Fabiano on Feb 10, 2020 21:09:24 GMT -5
To continue our philosophical exploration here, is it ever okay to muddy the waters? I've seen plenty of tales told about the deceased, with some people feeling it justified to remind us. No matter if it's based on fact or rumor. (Besides of course the painfully obvious, i.e. murderers, dictators, etc.) It depends. There are some monsters in the closet that don't get released until a person is dead. However, there is something to be said for when things are brought in an attempt to try to damage a person or kill a legacy. With things like Kobe and Michael Jackson, they had their days in court and it was supposed to end there. With them dying, the media tries to open the door to making their legacy complicated when they had years to ask these questions. It just comes across as really disingenuous as a whole when they do it this way I feel you. As I've seen artists I admire be raked across the coals after their passing, by so called friends and their "authorized " biographies. As wrestling fans, dirt on even the deceased isn't unfamiliar.
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Feb 12, 2020 16:10:57 GMT -5
Kobe and his daughter Gianna were buried last week in a private ceremony
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Post by Spider2024 on Feb 24, 2020 13:38:03 GMT -5
Beyonce currently singing at the Kobe/Gianna tribute. I wonder if she's gonna sing her song "Heaven" which goes "Guess heaven couldn't wait for you". Or would that be too much of an onion-cutting tearjerker?
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Post by Deleted on Feb 24, 2020 13:52:24 GMT -5
Just watching Vanessa for the first time publicly is heart wrenching that woman is putting the bravest preverbial foot forward for this to be her first public appearance since the tradgedy.
My ass would have been stuck in home for months.
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Post by Cyno on Feb 24, 2020 14:10:27 GMT -5
No matter what I think about Kobe as a person, I feel heartbroken for Vanessa. I can't imagine the pain of what it's like to lose your husband and daughter just like that.
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