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Post by The Rick Jericho on Feb 3, 2020 20:46:30 GMT -5
Which teams have you found to be extremely disrespected especially media outlets?
I'm going with the 2019 Toronto Raptors. They won the NBA title, Kawhi Leonard leaves and everyone thinks this team won't even make the playoffs. Right now they are 36-14 and are exactly at the same pace they were last season with Danny Green and Kawhi Leonard.
We have had tons of injuries, so if this team was healthy we would probably be 42-8.
Who else has been disrespected as defending and reigning champions?
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Post by riseofsetian1981 on Feb 4, 2020 0:11:20 GMT -5
Is this pertaining to current or past champions?
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Post by Seth Drakin of Monster Crap on Feb 4, 2020 2:51:35 GMT -5
Is this pertaining to current or past champions? I believe it was champions that didn't get much respect in the offseason after they won it.
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Post by Push R Truth on Feb 4, 2020 9:33:52 GMT -5
Remember that I live in the Chicago Media market so this might have been a fairly localized thing: in the 95-96 season the Rockets coming off back-to-back title wins were treated like second place chumps because Jordan was back and we were finally going to have a real champ again.
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Post by karl100589 on Feb 4, 2020 9:50:22 GMT -5
Chris Weidman got this a lot after beating Anderson Silva. Most dismissed his win as a fluke because Silva was toying around during the first fight, it wasn't until beating Belfort that people started giving him respect.
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Post by thegatewaydrug on Feb 6, 2020 0:01:29 GMT -5
I don't think the 1998 Florida Marlins stood a chance!
(Ownership traded away many top players to gut the team after in the off-season to cut payroll in order to get a new stadium, or something. But the new, young players eventually got good, a la the Indians in Major League.)
Fun fact: The team has only made the playoffs twice since their 27 years in MLB, and won the World Series both times.
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Post by Toilet Paper Roll on Feb 6, 2020 8:51:41 GMT -5
Remember that I live in the Chicago Media market so this might have been a fairly localized thing: in the 95-96 season the Rockets coming off back-to-back title wins were treated like second place chumps because Jordan was back and we were finally going to have a real champ again. They did seem like a place holder. Honestly they were a good team with maybe the best guy to ever play center on the team but they seemed like they were champs because there was no Jordan
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Post by rocket on Feb 6, 2020 9:54:51 GMT -5
I don't think the 1998 Florida Marlins stood a chance! (Ownership traded away many top players to gut the team after in the off-season to cut payroll in order to get a new stadium, or something. But the new, young players eventually got good, a la the Indians in Major League.) Fun fact: The team has only made the playoffs twice since their 27 years in MLB, and won the World Series both times. I was just thinking about how people acted like the 2003 Yankees won it all because of that ALCS.
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Post by riseofsetian1981 on Feb 7, 2020 1:36:27 GMT -5
When the Dallas Mavericks defeated the Miami Heat in the 2011 NBA Finals. Analysts spent more time talking about why Miami lost and not covering Dallas underdog story. Of course me being a Dallas fan I felt pretty miffed at the whole team being ignored for overcoming the odds.
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Post by "Evil Brood" Jackson Vanik on Feb 7, 2020 7:05:10 GMT -5
Remember that I live in the Chicago Media market so this might have been a fairly localized thing: in the 95-96 season the Rockets coming off back-to-back title wins were treated like second place chumps because Jordan was back and we were finally going to have a real champ again. Part of that was also how the Rockets won their second title. Don't get me wrong, they earned that. But winning as the 6th seed was rare and did signal that they might have been on their last legs.
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Post by kingoftheindies on Feb 7, 2020 8:48:54 GMT -5
Not that I think the Raptors will repeat but people really did underrate the non Kawhi players as well as how good of a coach Nick Nurse is. Of course, the Raptors also gambled that Pascal Siakam would take another step this year, and he has. Siakam could have just as easily pulled a JJ Hickson after being given more responsibility.
I feel like the Nats are also kind of being disrespected. Maybe I'm wrong but to me it feels more like people are saying they road a hot streak and don't feel they have a shot (of course losing Rendon contributes to that too)
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Post by deezy on Feb 8, 2020 13:03:54 GMT -5
In 2017 when North Carolina won the NCAA title the became an afterthought the next day because Tony Romo retired.
I work 3rd shift and came home that next morning waiting to sit back and enjoy seeing my boys get the respect they deserve for winning the title.
Romo retired, and they never got a segment longer than 5 min on Sportscenter.
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Post by Tenshigure on Feb 8, 2020 19:22:28 GMT -5
Pretty sure the Houston Astros are getting lit up on a near daily basis...
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Post by unc40 on Feb 10, 2020 11:38:51 GMT -5
I remember watching ESPN after Golden State won the 2015 NBA Championship and the news was more about how Lebron needs more help from his teammates than Golden State's accomplishment.
After the Patriots won their first Super Bowl the overall opinion was that the Patriots just caught fire at the right time although it is a nice story the Patriots wouldn't win another one.
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Post by cabbageboy on Feb 10, 2020 12:02:16 GMT -5
Can you get more disrespected than U of L in 2014 coming off that national title? In a jobber conference for 1 year, dissed with a laughable 4 seed in the tourney despite having the same record, and paired against either an undefeated Wichita St. (FF rematch) or against UK.
I think with UNC in 2017 there was just no particularly good framing for it. Gonzaga was the sentimental favorite and UNC was being investigated over all of the bogus classes and what not. Carolina won and it was...just Carolina winning. News at 11.
As far as the Rockets go, it was just meh. I can definitely get why the Chicago area would think "Okay, Jordan is back. Time for Houston to go away." It didn't help that the Rockets didn't really fit any particular narrative in 1994 or 95. It was more like "Will Seattle take it to the next level? Can the Knicks finally win it with Ewing? Will the Suns get back to the Finals? Can the Spurs finally realize some playoff success?" The Rockets were just kind of a solid team that didn't excite anyone.
How about the opposite end of the spectrum? What are teams that everyone thought would dominate that just fizzled and never did much again? I'd say the Buccaneers in 2003 were a team that everyone thought had all the tools to repeat, but it seemed like after Peyton Manning torched them in that insane comeback the team never recovered. But then teams like Tampa and Baltimore managed to win the SB during that dreary downtime in the NFL after the Cowboys/Niners/Packers got old and before the league was Pats/Colts/Steelers all the time. And of course the 1985 Bears are the gold standard of a team that everyone thought would be a dynasty but never really panned out.
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Post by sfvega on Feb 10, 2020 13:36:45 GMT -5
How about the opposite end of the spectrum? What are teams that everyone thought would dominate that just fizzled and never did much again? I'd say the Buccaneers in 2003 were a team that everyone thought had all the tools to repeat, but it seemed like after Peyton Manning torched them in that insane comeback the team never recovered. But then teams like Tampa and Baltimore managed to win the SB during that dreary downtime in the NFL after the Cowboys/Niners/Packers got old and before the league was Pats/Colts/Steelers all the time. And of course the 1985 Bears are the gold standard of a team that everyone thought would be a dynasty but never really panned out. The Manning game wasn't a big deal. Our best cover corner got injured and because of the nature of zone, they didn't move Ronde over. That matched all time great Marvin Harrison with a 2nd year 7th round CB who was a scrub, because Dexter Jackson left in FA after the SB and our nickel CB slid over to FS. So Wansley went from a rookie 4th/5th CB to drawing the toughest match-up in football because of circumstance. Even if we win that game, nothing changes. Brad Johnson wasn't quite as efficient as the year prior, and Keyshawn lost his shit at becoming a #2 WR to McCardell and got suspended for conduct detrimental. He was always going to butt heads with Gruden. The Brian Kelly injury sucked because he was our best cover corner. Sapp came in out of shape. John Lynch ended up leaving due to cap and Monte wanting Jermaine Phillips at safety. Sapp left due to cap, and Booger McFarland never came anywhere near replacing him. Brad Johnson's arm fell off the next season and gave way to a revolving door at QB. So our window which should have extended another year or two fell apart. McKay gave out a bunch of bigger contracts prior to the SB and put us in cap hell for 2004-2007. You would think a team who let two HOF players walk and traded Keyshawn in his prime would have a surplus of money, but nope, we were still broke af because of how badly our cap was f***ed.
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Post by Confused Mark Wahlberg on Feb 11, 2020 17:26:17 GMT -5
Can you get more disrespected than U of L in 2014 coming off that national title? In a jobber conference for 1 year, dissed with a laughable 4 seed in the tourney despite having the same record, and paired against either an undefeated Wichita St. (FF rematch) or against UK. I think with UNC in 2017 there was just no particularly good framing for it. Gonzaga was the sentimental favorite and UNC was being investigated over all of the bogus classes and what not. Carolina won and it was...just Carolina winning. News at 11. As far as the Rockets go, it was just meh. I can definitely get why the Chicago area would think "Okay, Jordan is back. Time for Houston to go away." It didn't help that the Rockets didn't really fit any particular narrative in 1994 or 95. It was more like "Will Seattle take it to the next level? Can the Knicks finally win it with Ewing? Will the Suns get back to the Finals? Can the Spurs finally realize some playoff success?" The Rockets were just kind of a solid team that didn't excite anyone. How about the opposite end of the spectrum? What are teams that everyone thought would dominate that just fizzled and never did much again? I'd say the Buccaneers in 2003 were a team that everyone thought had all the tools to repeat, but it seemed like after Peyton Manning torched them in that insane comeback the team never recovered. But then teams like Tampa and Baltimore managed to win the SB during that dreary downtime in the NFL after the Cowboys/Niners/Packers got old and before the league was Pats/Colts/Steelers all the time. And of course the 1985 Bears are the gold standard of a team that everyone thought would be a dynasty but never really panned out. I thought the '99 Rams were going to be a new dynasty. I mean, they almost were, but the Pats and Warner injuring his thumb pretty much killed all of that. Oh, and Martz being a crummier HC than a coordinator.
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Post by Can you afford to pay me, Gah on Feb 13, 2020 11:54:57 GMT -5
I remember watching ESPN after Golden State won the 2015 NBA Championship and the news was more about how Lebron needs more help from his teammates than Golden State's accomplishment. After the Patriots won their first Super Bowl the overall opinion was that the Patriots just caught fire at the right time although it is a nice story the Patriots wouldn't win another one. This is why I hate ESPN. Because everything regarding the NBA, Every championship win, some how they compare Lebron and the what if he had help or didn't get hurt. They always do that with big achievements. Speaking of ESPN. There lack of respect to the Stanley Cup. Biggest example would been the last one Pittsburgh won. Listened to the radio that morning and spend 5 seconds on it. Just saying that won the cup and than BACK to the NBA. Yes it was NBA early round playoffs I believe but a major champion was JUST WON! granted they did better for Washington only because Ovi's soundbite from the parade. Without that, I doubt they gotten much else. St. Louis not nearly enough for a first time ever championship in a 52 years of waiting. Again a championship win should get way more coverage than an early round playoff, but that ESPN only sees the NBA and the NFL as the only two sports in the world.
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Post by Toilet Paper Roll on Feb 17, 2020 14:18:07 GMT -5
I remember watching ESPN after Golden State won the 2015 NBA Championship and the news was more about how Lebron needs more help from his teammates than Golden State's accomplishment. After the Patriots won their first Super Bowl the overall opinion was that the Patriots just caught fire at the right time although it is a nice story the Patriots wouldn't win another one. This is why I hate ESPN. Because everything regarding the NBA, Every championship win, some how they compare Lebron and the what if he had help or didn't get hurt. They always do that with big achievements. Speaking of ESPN. There lack of respect to the Stanley Cup. Biggest example would been the last one Pittsburgh won. Listened to the radio that morning and spend 5 seconds on it. Just saying that won the cup and than BACK to the NBA. Yes it was NBA early round playoffs I believe but a major champion was JUST WON! granted they did better for Washington only because Ovi's soundbite from the parade. Without that, I doubt they gotten much else. St. Louis not nearly enough for a first time ever championship in a 52 years of waiting. Again a championship win should get way more coverage than an early round playoff, but that ESPN only sees the NBA and the NFL as the only two sports in the world. ESPN has always been about the athlete and not the sport. It’s why a lot of people don’t watch any more. It’s not really informative
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Post by sfvega on Feb 17, 2020 15:51:48 GMT -5
This is why I hate ESPN. Because everything regarding the NBA, Every championship win, some how they compare Lebron and the what if he had help or didn't get hurt. They always do that with big achievements. Speaking of ESPN. There lack of respect to the Stanley Cup. Biggest example would been the last one Pittsburgh won. Listened to the radio that morning and spend 5 seconds on it. Just saying that won the cup and than BACK to the NBA. Yes it was NBA early round playoffs I believe but a major champion was JUST WON! granted they did better for Washington only because Ovi's soundbite from the parade. Without that, I doubt they gotten much else. St. Louis not nearly enough for a first time ever championship in a 52 years of waiting. Again a championship win should get way more coverage than an early round playoff, but that ESPN only sees the NBA and the NFL as the only two sports in the world. ESPN has always been about the athlete and not the sport. It’s why a lot of people don’t watch any more. It’s not really informative Don't forget protecting their interests. They'll spend 30 seconds on SC over a playoff game because it was on TBS or NBC, but they'll spend hours and hours talking about the SEC, hyping the XFL, or their hilarious about-face on how relevant boxing is weirdly coinciding with their Top Rank deal. Or pushing their "personalities" more than actual sports stars. They went from the CNN of sports to the TMZ of sports.
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