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Post by Joe Neglia on Feb 5, 2020 18:40:14 GMT -5
Has Chris Rock ever done more serious roles? I swear, I've only ever seen him in comedies. I'm kind of intrigued, even if this franchise has been milked to death at this point. One of his earliest breakout roles was in New Jack City, but no, he doesn't get out of the comedy bubble much otherwise.
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Feb 5, 2020 19:56:59 GMT -5
Has Chris Rock ever done more serious roles? I swear, I've only ever seen him in comedies. I'm kind of intrigued, even if this franchise has been milked to death at this point. One of his earliest breakout roles was in New Jack City, but no, he doesn't get out of the comedy bubble much otherwise. Reminder to people that they need to watch New Jack City
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Feb 5, 2020 20:00:36 GMT -5
SAW lost me during movie 3, which also seems to be the general public consensus. Like, it may not be the most original idea, but it worked at the time. It's jut not really clear why this series exists anymore considering the franchise player has been dead for the past 10 or so movies. It just seems like they're trying to run a gambit of how many times they can tell the same apprentice story line before the well runs dry. Man, those movies run in back to back fashion that I forget the numbers 3 was the one with the guy who had his kid killed in a hit and run right and his wife had to save John?
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Feb 5, 2020 20:02:00 GMT -5
So a few interesting things is that Darren Lynn Bousman is back directing a Saw movie...the last time he directed a Saw movie was Saw 4 so this may have a tone similar to the early movies in the series which is nothing but a good thing. And then there is beginning to figure out just where this is going to fit into the series timeline Well that seems to line up with this being a spinoff...it is not a sequel but it is within the same timeline. Too bad there would need to hoops within hoops that would likely make no sense to make it happen but would love if this could be used to bring back Amanda because killing her when they did was a HUGE mistake. Idk, I think they killed Amanda at the right time unless you wanted them to go apprentice vs apprentice for a while
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Post by Starshine on Feb 5, 2020 20:11:31 GMT -5
SAW lost me during movie 3, which also seems to be the general public consensus. Like, it may not be the most original idea, but it worked at the time. It's jut not really clear why this series exists anymore considering the franchise player has been dead for the past 10 or so movies. It just seems like they're trying to run a gambit of how many times they can tell the same apprentice story line before the well runs dry. Man, those movies run in back to back fashion that I forget the numbers 3 was the one with the guy who had his kid killed in a hit and run right and his wife had to save John? Yeah. It's weird. Like, in terms of ending a trilogy of the original Jigsaw, it's okay, I guess. It's easily the weakest of the first three, but it feels like a conclusion, despite a couple of plot threads that aren't really looked at in any sort of detail, i.e. Amanda going kill crazy, which isn't really focused on much at all. But the fact we got lots more of these out of it makes it all feel incoherent. Trying to actually follow the timeline of events of who's where, and working with Jigsaw when, is just too much work to really enjoy the arching narrative of the series.
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Post by Captain Patren Fenderbaum-X on Feb 5, 2020 20:11:49 GMT -5
SAW lost me during movie 3, which also seems to be the general public consensus. Like, it may not be the most original idea, but it worked at the time. It's jut not really clear why this series exists anymore considering the franchise player has been dead for the past 10 or so movies. It just seems like they're trying to run a gambit of how many times they can tell the same apprentice story line before the well runs dry. Man, those movies run in back to back fashion that I forget the numbers 3 was the one with the guy who had his kid killed in a hit and run right and his wife had to save John? Jeffs son was the one killed by a drunk driver and had to play the game for a chance to finally get revenge on the man that did the deed but also his daughter was also being held captive. But then we get into the whole saw 4 was also happening at the same time as saw 3 gets nutty. I love the series but even I admit if you aint methodically paying attention then this series is just the defintion of confusion.
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Feb 5, 2020 20:17:59 GMT -5
Man, those movies run in back to back fashion that I forget the numbers 3 was the one with the guy who had his kid killed in a hit and run right and his wife had to save John? Yeah. It's weird. Like, in terms of ending a trilogy of the original Jigsaw, it's okay, I guess. It's easily the weakest of the first three, but it feels like a conclusion, despite a couple of plot threads that aren't really looked at in any sort of detail, i.e. Amanda going kill crazy, which isn't really focused on much at all. But the fact we got lots more of these out of it makes it all feel incoherent. Trying to actually follow the timeline of events of who's where, and working with Jigsaw when, is just too much work to really enjoy the arching narrative of the series. Three itself could have been done differently and better. Like I think there was a way they could did SAW 4 with Rigg and make it work for 3.
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Feb 5, 2020 20:19:25 GMT -5
Man, those movies run in back to back fashion that I forget the numbers 3 was the one with the guy who had his kid killed in a hit and run right and his wife had to save John? Jeffs son was the one killed by a drunk driver and had to play the game for a chance to finally get revenge on the man that did the deed but also his daughter was also being held captive. But then we get into the whole saw 4 was also happening at the same time as saw 3 gets nutty. I love the series but even I admit if you aint methodically paying attention then this series is just the defintion of confusion. Yea, that's what I was just saying in regards to it feels like they could have done 4 and cut out a lot of 3
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Post by Captain Patren Fenderbaum-X on Feb 5, 2020 20:31:30 GMT -5
The biggest mistake the Saw series made from the get go was killing off all the potential heroes.
It killed so much enjoyment in the series...because you want to get invested in the protagonist but you know in the back of your mind they are dead it basically became the running gag of the series.
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Feb 5, 2020 20:39:09 GMT -5
The biggest mistake the Saw series made from the get go was killing off all the potential heroes. It killed so much enjoyment in the series...because you want to get invested in the protagonist but you know in the back of your mind they are dead it basically became the running gag of the series. Ehh I didn't mind it until they killed off the detectives
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Post by nickcave on Feb 5, 2020 20:39:54 GMT -5
Has Chris Rock ever done more serious roles? I swear, I've only ever seen him in comedies. I'm kind of intrigued, even if this franchise has been milked to death at this point. Top Five was still in the realm of comedy but in the more modern dramedy realm rather than straight haha
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Post by Captain Patren Fenderbaum-X on Feb 5, 2020 20:44:42 GMT -5
The biggest mistake the Saw series made from the get go was killing off all the potential heroes. It killed so much enjoyment in the series...because you want to get invested in the protagonist but you know in the back of your mind they are dead it basically became the running gag of the series. Ehh I didn't mind it until they killed off the detectives Yea that is what I was getting at Tapp Kerry Riggs Matthews Strahm And then there are the others like Erikson it was pretty f***ing ridiculous
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Post by 4real on Feb 6, 2020 4:19:16 GMT -5
Will we find out in this movie that Jigsaw has yet another accomplish? Heck why not.
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Post by Glitch on Feb 6, 2020 5:10:31 GMT -5
So they trying to upstage Junji Ito, eh?
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Post by y4j1981 on Feb 6, 2020 5:31:10 GMT -5
So I have really only seen the first one and parts of the others. What order should I watch the SAW movies since I know their like the Fast n Furious movies, not made in order.
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Post by häšhtå.gdālėÿ on Feb 6, 2020 7:48:31 GMT -5
I think I’ve seen the first 3... or 4 maybe?
There’s the OG. The one where they’re locked in a trap-filled house. The one where Amanda has a doctor in a shotgun necklace to save Jigsaw. Then it gets foggy from there.
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Feb 6, 2020 10:14:04 GMT -5
So I have really only seen the first one and parts of the others. What order should I watch the SAW movies since I know their like the Fast n Furious movies, not made in order. They actually are made in order. The only real f***ery is that Saw 4 and Saw 3 take place at the same time SAW 1-3 (The John Kramer Story) SAW 4-5 (Emergence of New Jigsaw) SAW 5-6 (Downfall of Jigsaw) Jigsaw (Meh)
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Post by Captain Patren Fenderbaum-X on Feb 6, 2020 14:52:23 GMT -5
So I have really only seen the first one and parts of the others. What order should I watch the SAW movies since I know their like the Fast n Furious movies, not made in order. As it is your first time watching the sequels you would be wise to watch them in the order they were released atleast the first time. because you cannot watch them the first time and go by the in movie timeline because the shit flips all over the place....especially when they double down on the flashbacks to previous movies and show you things that took place 3 movies back.
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Post by riseofsetian1981 on Feb 6, 2020 14:56:51 GMT -5
The biggest mistake the Saw series made from the get go was killing off all the potential heroes. It killed so much enjoyment in the series...because you want to get invested in the protagonist but you know in the back of your mind they are dead it basically became the running gag of the series. Yes, I've always maintained that killing off Eric and Strahm were the dumbest creative mistakes. For arguments sake I'll accept Eric's fate to a certain degree. But Strahm? Made no sense at all. He became one of my favorite characters of the franchise.
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Feb 6, 2020 15:02:12 GMT -5
The biggest mistake the Saw series made from the get go was killing off all the potential heroes. It killed so much enjoyment in the series...because you want to get invested in the protagonist but you know in the back of your mind they are dead it basically became the running gag of the series. Yes, I've always maintained that killing off Eric and Strahm were the dumbest creative mistakes. For arguments sake I'll accept Eric's fate to a certain degree. But Strahm? Made no sense at all. He became one of my favorite characters of the franchise. Eric I can get, along with Riggs since they shared the same fate and it solidified Hoffman as the new Jigsaw Strahm made no sense though. You tried to kill him once and it didn't work and then went for it again
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