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Post by Deleted on Feb 17, 2020 23:35:29 GMT -5
And Cena got rid of the thing that made him cool to cater to the younglings.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 17, 2020 23:36:27 GMT -5
No!!! Not Cornhole!!!
Get him outta here!!!
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Post by Deleted on Feb 17, 2020 23:36:55 GMT -5
Okay, that's an automatic 0 for including Jim in post production.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 17, 2020 23:37:59 GMT -5
Triple H also got hated reactions for 3 3/4 years, but against Cena, he was Mother Teresa.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 17, 2020 23:39:12 GMT -5
Lean into the hatred, John. Let it embrace you.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 17, 2020 23:40:07 GMT -5
William Perry & his Terrifying Onesie was then inducted.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 17, 2020 23:43:17 GMT -5
And John... honestly flopped. He brought in people but he turned off others & WWE screwed everything up.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 17, 2020 23:44:24 GMT -5
No, not again!!!
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Post by Deleted on Feb 17, 2020 23:45:33 GMT -5
"Bad"!
Also... Why did Shawn Michaels come out to DX music that year?
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Post by Deleted on Feb 17, 2020 23:46:53 GMT -5
WrestleMania 23, where Kane bodyslammed the Great Khali & Ashley and Melina had... what couldn't be qualified as a match.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 17, 2020 23:48:00 GMT -5
8 years later, John would try and wrestle like he was in Ring of Honor.
It was not pretty, but it was an attempt.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 17, 2020 23:48:59 GMT -5
... Except last year's.
And the one before that.
And the one before that.
And the one before that.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 17, 2020 23:50:47 GMT -5
For a lot of talk about "his detractors", they certainly don't actually talk to any.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 17, 2020 23:51:54 GMT -5
Too much Jim Cornette.
0/10.
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Post by Jedi-El of Tomorrow on Feb 18, 2020 3:51:15 GMT -5
Hey, Big Show as US Champion; how come you only defended it once before WrestleMania? Still say that Cena should have won it at Tribute to the Troops. For a lot of talk about "his detractors", they certainly don't actually talk to any. Should have gotten Triple H to record some stuff. He's made no secret that he didn't think that Cena would make it, and that he was wrong about it.
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Post by Ozman on Feb 18, 2020 5:15:14 GMT -5
The “Ruthless Aggression” is amazing so far!!! Don’t understand the negativity of this thread.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 18, 2020 9:08:56 GMT -5
The “Ruthless Aggression” is amazing so far!!! Don’t understand the negativity of this thread. The reason why I'm pretty negative about this series is largely based on how similar it is to the Monday Night Wars series and how I felt you could just boil down that series to "WWE Good, WCW Bad". While wrestling is an industry that, historically has its ups and downs, this era sparked a downturn where people who were WCW fans clearly weren't going to watch the WWF product, people who were simply in the moment would wander off for something else like reality television, and people who felt like the Ruthless Aggression era was "Diet Attitude Era" or had repetitive antics looked for alternatives in an industry that wasn't very healthy at the time. But I'll go a bit deeper down this rabbit hole. An analytical evaluation of this time period would look at the problems the company was facing besides going "Uh oh! Things looked bad, but we turned out okay, so yay!" I am not asking for doom and gloom here; when they bought the two other main promotions in early 2001, it was good for them in the sense they no longer had competition, but it was also bad for them since... they no longer had competition, and the solution to just create internal competition comes off as silly since Vince McMahon clearly has a favorite when it comes to the two programs, meaning whenever one starts doing better, it gets kneecapped the moment they have the chance. It also created logistical issues, such as "why would the Hurricane, a former Cruiserweight Champion, be on RAW hanging out with a 400 pound Samoan?" or "why are there women on SmackDown!... period?" due to championship exclusivity. Another problem is when the company does talk about things it agrees sucked or failed, they want to get away from it as quickly as possible, like it's this big shame, but they also want to downplay it's existence due to it being this big shame. WWE created some sketchy things during the Attitude Era, sure, but the Ruthless Aggression period resulted in some of the worst television the company has made overall. It makes sense for them to not want to discuss these, but conversely, in this documentary series, you should at least mention why you came up with a few ideas and what your goals originally were rather than go "We goofed". Considering how much a bouquet of roses the WWF was in the Monday Night Wars series, the only real time they discussed a failure there, to my knowledge, was the Light Heavyweight Division and they spent little over 2 minutes on that. This also applies to the Invasion angle that I went into detail over in my review for the first episode where the tl;dr version is "they only had jobbers, so the Invasion failed". Lastly, the whole point of this documentary is to chronicle four people and four people alone; the so-called "OVW Four". Sure, others came up from Ohio Valley like Shelton Benjamin, the Basham Brothers, and... Eugene, but the focus on this is to explore Cena, Orton, Batista, and Lesnar. I mean, I appreciate the candid nature of looking at them, but I think what we know from this time period has already been discussed in DVD sets released years ago that have been put on the Network. Then again, I'm just probably a grumpy ass who needs to go yell at clouds.
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Post by cjh on Feb 18, 2020 10:06:23 GMT -5
I went back to the first episode, and nobody claimed the company name was changed voluntarily. They simply said "World Wrestling Entertainment" was Vince's idea and was picked because he wanted "entertainment" in the name.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 18, 2020 11:54:27 GMT -5
I went back to the first episode, and nobody claimed the company name was changed voluntarily. They simply said "World Wrestling Entertainment" was Vince's idea and was picked because he wanted "entertainment" in the name. The company was officially "World Wrestling Federation Entertainment, Incorporated" in company statements and on the New York Stock Exchange. When they changed, they simply dropped "Federation" and became "World Wrestling Entertainment, Incorporated". Like I said; they changed the name because they lost a lawsuit and didn't want to pay anyone anything, yet what they ended up doing to avoid paying likely was more expensive.
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Post by cjh on Feb 18, 2020 12:16:41 GMT -5
I went back to the first episode, and nobody claimed the company name was changed voluntarily. They simply said "World Wrestling Entertainment" was Vince's idea and was picked because he wanted "entertainment" in the name. The company was officially "World Wrestling Federation Entertainment, Incorporated" in company statements and on the New York Stock Exchange. When they changed, they simply dropped "Federation" and became "World Wrestling Entertainment, Incorporated". Like I said; they changed the name because they lost a lawsuit and didn't want to pay anyone anything, yet what they ended up doing to avoid paying likely was more expensive. I meant that people are claiming that this show re-wrote history and said Vince just decided to drop the WWF name and re-brand one day. That is not what was said. All the show said about the name change was that "WWE" came from Vince and was chosen so the company name would have "entertainment" in it.
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