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Post by Spider2024 on Feb 13, 2020 22:56:20 GMT -5
There seems to be a consensus among boxing fans past and present that the greatest heavyweight boxer of all time was Muhammad Ali. But there doesn't seem to be anything close to a consensus #2 all-time in terms of heavyweights.
So other than Cassius, who was the GOAT heavyweight, IYHO?
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Post by arrogantmodel on Feb 13, 2020 23:27:42 GMT -5
I think Holyfield is criminally overlooked and underrated.
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Post by Lupin the Third on Feb 14, 2020 0:33:54 GMT -5
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Post by DiBiase is Good on Feb 14, 2020 5:04:15 GMT -5
Lennox Lewis has to be up there, he did beat three of the options on the list. Beat Holyfield (some might even say twice), caused Klitschko to bleed like Ric Flair and no one beat the piss out of Tyson as severely as Lewis did (yes, I know this was the second coming of Tyson but no one dominated Tyson like that over a whole fight like Lewis did).
I’d probably have to go with Joe Louis though.
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Post by arrogantmodel on Feb 14, 2020 10:03:09 GMT -5
Lennox Lewis has to be up there, he did beat three of the options on the list. Beat Holyfield (some might even say twice), caused Klitschko to bleed like Ric Flair and no one beat the piss out of Tyson as severely as Lewis did (yes, I know this was the second coming of Tyson but no one dominated Tyson like that over a whole fight like Lewis did). I’d probably have to go with Joe Louis though. Holyfield and Lewis are like 1 and 1A for me. Even though my local boy, Michael Moorer beat Evander. |
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Post by sfvega on Feb 14, 2020 12:16:29 GMT -5
I said Joe Louis. Marciano and Frazier are up there for me as well. I feel like if Ali never existed, Frazier's legacy would be way up there. Lennox Lewis deserves to be listed, but a lot of what made him great wasn't his ability but his pure size. He is like Brock in UFC. To be 6'5, 250 with an 84 inch reach is going to put a lot of guys at a big disadvantage. He used it better than guys like Riddick Bowe did, but I feel like if he and say Holyfield were the same height/weight/reach, that Holyfield smokes him. Holyfield is up there as well, but his egregious use of the headbutt drops him down the list for me to about 7th. Just every fight leading with his head in a way that is abnormal.
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Post by XIII on Feb 14, 2020 19:54:06 GMT -5
Tyson. If Cus D’Amato had lived longer and he stayed with Kevin Rooney/didn’t have anything to do with Don King he would have been 1A to Ali’s 1. Dude had stupid power, head movement, lightning fast hands, and could actually box in his early days.
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Post by Citizen Snips Has Left on Feb 15, 2020 15:55:20 GMT -5
Went with Joe Louis. This is really like figuring out who's the best quarterback of all-time, the eras of boxing are so different it's hard to get 1 to 1 comparisons.
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Post by warden on Feb 15, 2020 21:24:29 GMT -5
Wow no love for smokin joe frasier even though dude beat Ali once, fought him two more times and had his corner not stopped him he probably beats him in the third fight. If you believe the story that Ali was close to pulling off the gloves. That being said a lot of those choices have a good claim of being the best truly a difficult choice...
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Post by sfvega on Feb 15, 2020 21:54:27 GMT -5
Wow no love for smokin joe frasier even though dude beat Ali once, fought him two more times and had his corner not stopped him he probably beats him in the third fight. If you believe the story that Ali was close to pulling off the gloves. That being said a lot of those choices have a good claim of being the best truly a difficult choice... Frazier is my 3rd all time. He gets overlooked because he wasn't the best of his era, but I would take him over Lewis, Tyson, Holyfield, etc all day long. He was a monster. |
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Post by Jedi-El of Tomorrow on Feb 16, 2020 4:35:06 GMT -5
Went with Joe Louis. This is really like figuring out who's the best quarterback of all-time, the eras of boxing are so different it's hard to get 1 to 1 comparisons. What about Rocky Marciano? |
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Post by J. Hova on Feb 16, 2020 6:37:24 GMT -5
Lennox Lewis has to be up there, he did beat three of the options on the list. Beat Holyfield (some might even say twice), caused Klitschko to bleed like Ric Flair and no one beat the piss out of Tyson as severely as Lewis did (yes, I know this was the second coming of Tyson but no one dominated Tyson like that over a whole fight like Lewis did). I’d probably have to go with Joe Louis though. Lennox Lewis is a victim of being born a few years too late. Every top fighter he beat were well past their prime when he did beat them. Klitschko was winning that fight when it was stopped and put Lewis into retirement. If he beat Tyson and Holyfield in their prime, he's top five all time in my book, I just can't do it with how it worked out in real life. |
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Post by J. Hova on Feb 16, 2020 6:49:03 GMT -5
To me, it has to be Joe Louis. He was almost mythical in his career. He transcended race, and when he fought Schmeling in 1938, he had millions of Americans, many of whom wouldn't shake hands with a black man, cheering for him to knock out the hated German.
After he beat him, he fought 13 times in a 24 month period against 12 different opponents. Five of those opponents were rated as top ten contenders in the year they fought Louis, and four others were top ten in a different year. No other heavyweight champion fought a schedule like that.
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Post by Citizen Snips Has Left on Feb 16, 2020 7:47:39 GMT -5
Went with Joe Louis. This is really like figuring out who's the best quarterback of all-time, the eras of boxing are so different it's hard to get 1 to 1 comparisons. What about Rocky Marciano? Marciano's in my Top 5, but I'd go with Louis for having a much longer run on top, as well as the cultural impact Joe had (Much like Ali, you can't separate that from Louis' legacy.) If you're referring to Marciano beating Louis, that was hardly even a fight. That was a far past his prime Louis needing money. Marciano didn't even want to take the fight. It was like Ali's last few fights, just a sad spectacle of a legend taking a beating. Louis in his prime would have been a very different fight; Marciano still may have won but we just can't tell. |
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Post by Toilet Paper Roll on Feb 16, 2020 9:07:25 GMT -5
What about Rocky Marciano? Marciano's in my Top 5, but I'd go with Louis for having a much longer run on top, as well as the cultural impact Joe had (Much like Ali, you can't separate that from Louis' legacy.) If you're referring to Marciano beating Louis, that was hardly even a fight. That was a far past his prime Louis needing money. Marciano didn't even want to take the fight. It was like Ali's last few fights, just a sad spectacle of a legend taking a beating. Louis in his prime would have been a very different fight; Marciano still may have won but we just can't tell. And that’s why I think the polling is so close between Louis and Marciano. Granted Marciano never lost so that counts for something but two of the matches Joe Louis lost a disputable. He was old when Marciano beat him and I think it was the Ezzard fight that was under a cloud of suspicion for mob activity |
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Post by Jedi-El of Tomorrow on Feb 19, 2020 6:19:57 GMT -5
Marciano's in my Top 5, but I'd go with Louis for having a much longer run on top, as well as the cultural impact Joe had (Much like Ali, you can't separate that from Louis' legacy.) If you're referring to Marciano beating Louis, that was hardly even a fight. That was a far past his prime Louis needing money. Marciano didn't even want to take the fight. It was like Ali's last few fights, just a sad spectacle of a legend taking a beating. Louis in his prime would have been a very different fight; Marciano still may have won but we just can't tell. And that’s why I think the polling is so close between Louis and Marciano. Granted Marciano never lost so that counts for something but two of the matches Joe Louis lost a disputable. He was old when Marciano beat him and I think it was the Ezzard fight that was under a cloud of suspicion for mob activity I don't know how old he was, but he got his ass whooped. |
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Post by Ryushinku on Feb 19, 2020 6:43:28 GMT -5
Besides Ali?
No doubt in my mind at all - Joe Louis. It's not just what he did in the ring, which was outstanding by itself, but much like Ali the massive political and culture crossing impact he had outside of it as well.
Number three would be Larry Holmes. Probably Marciano then Lewis the next two.
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Post by Toilet Paper Roll on Feb 19, 2020 7:49:57 GMT -5
And that’s why I think the polling is so close between Louis and Marciano. Granted Marciano never lost so that counts for something but two of the matches Joe Louis lost a disputable. He was old when Marciano beat him and I think it was the Ezzard fight that was under a cloud of suspicion for mob activity I don't know how old he was, but he got his ass whooped. He was 37 and boxing basically every month because he needed the money. Marciano was still in his 20s and at his absolute peak |
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Post by Jedi-El of Tomorrow on Feb 19, 2020 7:54:01 GMT -5
I don't know how old he was, but he got his ass whooped. He was 37 and boxing basically every month because he needed the money. Marciano was still in his 20s and at his absolute peak Everything I said was referencing this, Language warning |
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Post by Toilet Paper Roll on Feb 19, 2020 7:56:32 GMT -5
He was 37 and boxing basically every month because he needed the money. Marciano was still in his 20s and at his absolute peak Everything I said was referencing this, Language warning Oh I know, and old barber Eddie Murphy is right. |
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