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Post by WoodStoner1 on May 16, 2022 14:18:20 GMT -5
As I said before, probably dozens of times in this thread alone... 1) Yeah I think Snuka is not mentioned on the HOF website. They did pay tribute to him when he passed away, so it's not like they totally UnPersoned him. Hogan got this too after his scandal, albeit temporarily. 2) Yeah it's just a name on a website. But I think it's just the idea of her getting the Benoit treatment. Which she deserves. 3) Yes, if you get rid of Sunny, where do you stop? There's the Snuka example, which we think they acted on (no doubt as it was a fairly big MSM story, like Benoit but on a lesser scale of course). Then you got Carlos Colon, and his role in Brody's death. I can see people being all What About with accidental killings too (Scott Hall, Great Khali...watch some people complain if and when Rey Mysterio gets in.) There's also that certain celebrity who some blame for like 500K+ deaths and some extra at a certain other FAN-unfriendly incident 1.5 years ago. Then you got all the non-death scandals. Spousal abuse (Austin, Savage). Convicted rapist (Tyson). People who said inflammatory/inappropriate things (Hogan, Warrior). Horrible fathers (Fritz). The whole Moolah thing (though I somehow still hold an "allegedly" near that). All of Flair's antics. There's Chyna and "what if they Google her?" She was much like Sunny except I don't think she harmed another person. There's also the things only wrestling fans will care about, like Dusty being a horrible booker and someone who was there to just put himself over. I think Superstar Billy Graham was removed too, at his insistence over the Abdullah thing. Yet he hasn't been behaved (his rants about how so and so should use steroids) At this rate, Bobby Eaton will be the only HOF-worthy person out there! To add to that, Mr. Fuji was a malicious prankster and The Steiners were backstage terrors, even at one point sodomizing some poor sap with a pencil. Which brings me to the question, "where do you draw the line between separating the character and the person playing it" to where you can no longer enjoy/honor their on-screen work? As far as whether or not to keep Sunny in the HOF goes, even without her legal troubles, does she really have a Hall of Fame worthy career? The only accolade she has is being the first modern diva. She never got anybody she managed over, she never had any memorable storylines(except maybe using Phineas Godwinn which ended up with her being slopped), she couldn't act her way out of a paper bag. She only got over because she was hot and guys wanted to look at her. If she was booted from the Hallowed Halls, would there really be such an outcry? I can understand if it was one of the bigger names, but if you removed Sunny from WWF/E history, would anyone really notice? How crucial is she to the WWE canon? On top of that, Fuji's antics included animal abuse. As far as bullies and animal mistreatment, perhaps Davey Boy should not be there too. I would agree that Sunny's main contribution would be being the first of what would be the Attitude Era-type divas. I suppose without her, we'd get no Sable, then Trish, etc. etc. I guess she was okay when she was being an obnoxious Karen-type manager...I know someone who defends her partially because she did so working for him when she was in SMW (that and he dislikes Sable THAT MUCH, for not having any wrestling talent and, moreso knowing him, being a Vince Russo Girl) |
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Post by Dang! on May 16, 2022 14:29:42 GMT -5
Did they have to do a blood alcohol test, or did they just take that video file and run a breathalyser on that? She seems a whole lot LESS drunk in that video that I expected. I clicked it and expected full blown Scott Hall levels of not being able to walk and/or talk SUPER WASTEDNESS. Sad, but tame compared to other drunk "legends". |
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Post by WoodStoner1 on May 16, 2022 14:47:32 GMT -5
Did they have to do a blood alcohol test, or did they just take that video file and run a breathalyser on that? She seems a whole lot LESS drunk in that video that I expected. I clicked it and expected full blown Scott Hall levels of not being able to walk and/or talk SUPER WASTEDNESS. Sad, but tame compared to other drunk "legends". No. The Heroes of Wrestling Jake should be the scale we're using here. |
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Post by Dang! on May 16, 2022 14:56:14 GMT -5
She seems a whole lot LESS drunk in that video that I expected. I clicked it and expected full blown Scott Hall levels of not being able to walk and/or talk SUPER WASTEDNESS. Sad, but tame compared to other drunk "legends". No. The Heroes of Wrestling Jake should be the scale we're using here. Heroes Jake is 10/10 drunk, but there's at least one Scott Hall indy appearance where he's 11/10 drunk. They literally had to hold him up so he wouldn't fall down. |
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Post by rainandlava on May 16, 2022 15:37:00 GMT -5
No. The Heroes of Wrestling Jake should be the scale we're using here. Heroes Jake is 10/10 drunk, but there's at least one Scott Hall indy appearance where he's 11/10 drunk. They literally had to hold him up so he wouldn't fall down. Wasn't there a time where Hall appeared at a Top Rope Promotions on 4/9/2011 where Hall was on painkillers due to a seizure he had the night before or something? And the moron promoter insisting that Hall could do the show despite his condition? |
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Post by Baldobomb-22-OH-MAN!!! on May 16, 2022 16:59:26 GMT -5
Heroes Jake is 10/10 drunk, but there's at least one Scott Hall indy appearance where he's 11/10 drunk. They literally had to hold him up so he wouldn't fall down. Wasn't there a time where Hall appeared at a Top Rope Promotions on 4/9/2011 where Hall was on painkillers due to a seizure he had the night before or something? And the moron promoter insisting that Hall could do the show despite his condition? Sure was. And he acted like Scott deserved to be humiliated for it too. |
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Post by fortknox on May 16, 2022 19:37:23 GMT -5
To add to that, Mr. Fuji was a malicious prankster and The Steiners were backstage terrors, even at one point sodomizing some poor sap with a pencil. Which brings me to the question, "where do you draw the line between separating the character and the person playing it" to where you can no longer enjoy/honor their on-screen work? As far as whether or not to keep Sunny in the HOF goes, even without her legal troubles, does she really have a Hall of Fame worthy career? The only accolade she has is being the first modern diva. She never got anybody she managed over, she never had any memorable storylines(except maybe using Phineas Godwinn which ended up with her being slopped), she couldn't act her way out of a paper bag. She only got over because she was hot and guys wanted to look at her. If she was booted from the Hallowed Halls, would there really be such an outcry? I can understand if it was one of the bigger names, but if you removed Sunny from WWF/E history, would anyone really notice? How crucial is she to the WWE canon? I guess she was okay when she was being an obnoxious Karen-type manager...I know someone who defends her partially because she did so working for him when she was in SMW (that and he dislikes Sable THAT MUCH, for not having any wrestling talent and, moreso knowing him, being a Vince Russo Girl) Look it up on YouTube but, Cornette ripped her a new one after the news 1st broke. |
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Post by fortknox on May 16, 2022 19:37:55 GMT -5
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Post by WoodStoner1 on May 17, 2022 6:26:21 GMT -5
I guess she was okay when she was being an obnoxious Karen-type manager...I know someone who defends her partially because she did so working for him when she was in SMW (that and he dislikes Sable THAT MUCH, for not having any wrestling talent and, moreso knowing him, being a Vince Russo Girl) Look it up on YouTube but, Cornette ripped her a new one after the news 1st broke. Aha. But in the past he's expounded on the virtues of her talent and "understanding the business" and all that stuff he likes. And hey, at least she wasn't Sable. (FYI, Missy did her character a lot better, IMO) Bill Watts is another HOFer we could question under the "saying inappropriate things" category, BTW. |
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Post by Dang! on May 18, 2022 5:54:32 GMT -5
(FYI, Missy did her character a lot better, IMO) I agree. Missy Hyatt was THE GOAT of the bitch managers. |
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Post by Dang! on May 18, 2022 5:57:17 GMT -5
Wasn't there a time where Hall appeared at a Top Rope Promotions on 4/9/2011 where Hall was on painkillers due to a seizure he had the night before or something? And the moron promoter insisting that Hall could do the show despite his condition? Sure was. And he acted like Scott deserved to be humiliated for it too. Ohh! That might be it. I might have unfairly filed that under "Scott Hall being drunk". |
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Post by fortknox on May 24, 2022 20:49:39 GMT -5
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Post by Futureraven: Beelzebruv on May 25, 2022 1:36:31 GMT -5
You'd think there would be a system for that, give the papers to the staff, they call her to a room, done. |
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Post by nisidhe on May 25, 2022 6:41:58 GMT -5
You'd think there would be a system for that, give the papers to the staff, they call her to a room, done. I think there might be chain-of-custody issues if the process server were to hand off the papers to jail staff. Tammy could then reasonably deny ever receiving them. The summons has to pass from the server's hands to Tammy's directly, if memory serves. |
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Post by Futureraven: Beelzebruv on May 25, 2022 7:03:26 GMT -5
You'd think there would be a system for that, give the papers to the staff, they call her to a room, done. I think there might be chain-of-custody issues if the process server were to hand off the papers to jail staff. Tammy could then reasonably deny ever receiving them. The summons has to pass from the server's hands to Tammy's directly, if memory serves. Or she's called into a room and has to be served them with guards watching, some kind of mechanism. |
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Post by "Playboy" Don Douglas on May 25, 2022 9:39:37 GMT -5
Look it up on YouTube but, Cornette ripped her a new one after the news 1st broke. Aha. But in the past he's expounded on the virtues of her talent and "understanding the business" and all that stuff he likes. And hey, at least she wasn't Sable. (FYI, Missy did her character a lot better, IMO) Bill Watts is another HOFer we could question under the "saying inappropriate things" category, BTW. I do think she had more talent and understanding of the business than Sable based solely on her SMW run. By the time she was in WWF, I couldnât tell that they were presented any differently. Both seemed to pretty much be, âLook at her!â But, in defense of Sable (something Iâve never done professionally speaking ) she hasnât gotten wasted and killed somebody. |
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Post by WoodStoner1 on May 25, 2022 18:25:29 GMT -5
Aha. But in the past he's expounded on the virtues of her talent and "understanding the business" and all that stuff he likes. And hey, at least she wasn't Sable. (FYI, Missy did her character a lot better, IMO) Bill Watts is another HOFer we could question under the "saying inappropriate things" category, BTW. I do think she had more talent and understanding of the business than Sable based solely on her SMW run. By the time she was in WWF, I couldnât tell that they were presented any differently. Both seemed to pretty much be, âLook at her!â But, in defense of Sable (something Iâve never done professionally speaking ) she hasnât gotten wasted and killed somebody. As someone said, Sable finally won. As for talent/etc. all that is out the window when she did what she did. |
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Post by nihilismizhawt on May 26, 2022 10:07:05 GMT -5
I think there might be chain-of-custody issues if the process server were to hand off the papers to jail staff. Tammy could then reasonably deny ever receiving them. The summons has to pass from the server's hands to Tammy's directly, if memory serves. Or she's called into a room and has to be served them with guards watching, some kind of mechanism. You can serve people in jail, but every jail has their own rules. "Itâs likely that Sytch will be served as soon as the process server figures out where she is." Process serves sometimes don't get all the information from Attorneys or the Court. He tried to serve her at her last known address, and she wasnt there. If the case is in Florida, I imagine whoever communicated with the server in New Jersey didnt give them enough information. Florida to NJ court communication I can 100% guarantee isn't great. |
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Post by Natural Born Farmer on May 31, 2022 16:55:45 GMT -5
She pled not guilty today.
Guess she kind of has to if she wants any shot at a deal, but her defense of âvictim died of a pre-existing condition, not my faultâ looks DOA.
Going to depend on how aggressive the prosecuting attorney feels this month.
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Post by fortknox on May 31, 2022 19:47:17 GMT -5
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