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Post by A Platypus Rave is Correct on Jun 12, 2020 3:52:54 GMT -5
I don't remember but if the two masked men each time it was the 3 of them alternating. For what end is the bigger question as no one seemed to notice... >_> my guess is this would have gone much differently had the pandemic not happened (probably ending the same reveal but with more to it.) I don't think there wouldn't be much different here if there was no pandemic. We'd probably have the same plothole of there being masked ninja luchadores attacking Wilde and Mendoza only to be revealed as Wilde and Mendoza. It's just that there would have been no tournament since there would have been no interim title needed. Maybe KUSHIDA beats Devlin while Fantasma debuts, and then Fantasma beats KUSHIDA for the title via faction reveal? Or even Fantasma debuts shortly after KUSHIDA gets the title and that's how Escobar stakes his claim to the title? my point is if there were only 2 masked Ninjas... it's not really a plothole. It's Fantasma and Joaquin faux abducting Raul and then Fantasma and Raul faux abducting Joaquin... to throw off speculation.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 12, 2020 6:45:30 GMT -5
I just want to say El Hijo del Fantasma is so satisfying to say, that I'm actually gutted he's now called a generic Spanish name like Santos Escobar.
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Post by Hypnosis on Jun 12, 2020 7:01:27 GMT -5
I just want to say El Hijo del Fantasma is so satisfying to say, that I'm actually gutted he's now called a generic Spanish name like Santos Escobar. ![](https://411mania.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/07/Eric-Escobar-640x370.jpg) ESSSSCOBARRR!
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Post by Above Average on Jun 12, 2020 7:04:33 GMT -5
I don't think there wouldn't be much different here if there was no pandemic. We'd probably have the same plothole of there being masked ninja luchadores attacking Wilde and Mendoza only to be revealed as Wilde and Mendoza. It's just that there would have been no tournament since there would have been no interim title needed. Maybe KUSHIDA beats Devlin while Fantasma debuts, and then Fantasma beats KUSHIDA for the title via faction reveal? Or even Fantasma debuts shortly after KUSHIDA gets the title and that's how Escobar stakes his claim to the title? my point is if there were only 2 masked Ninjas... it's not really a plothole. It's Fantasma and Joaquin faux abducting Raul and then Fantasma and Raul faux abducting Joaquin... to throw off speculation. I like this theory. I couldn't recall if any of the abductions happened when EHDF was also present or not or whether he was in the ring when an abduction took place though.
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Post by A Platypus Rave is Correct on Jun 12, 2020 12:59:03 GMT -5
my point is if there were only 2 masked Ninjas... it's not really a plothole. It's Fantasma and Joaquin faux abducting Raul and then Fantasma and Raul faux abducting Joaquin... to throw off speculation. I like this theory. I couldn't recall if any of the abductions happened when EHDF was also present or not or whether he was in the ring when an abduction took place though. I'll be honest I don't fully remember all of the abductions... I'm just saying if it's a stable of 3 guys and there were only 2 people shown abducting people (including two guys >_>) it's easily handwaved as them messing with people.
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Post by Oh Cry Me a Screwball on Jun 12, 2020 13:34:35 GMT -5
I like this theory. I couldn't recall if any of the abductions happened when EHDF was also present or not or whether he was in the ring when an abduction took place though. I'll be honest I don't fully remember all of the abductions... I'm just saying if it's a stable of 3 guys and there were only 2 people shown abducting people (including two guys >_>) it's easily handwaved as them messing with people. If Escobar is supposed to be a faux-cartel lord, then it’s really as simple as him employing non-wrestlers as kidnappers. There’s a decent amount of stables out there that have had non-wrestler minions, like Aces and Eights or Dark Order. However, it is bad storytelling for them to not have more masked ninja Luchadores involved in the reveal, even if the three named guys are the only ones to unmask.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 12, 2020 15:51:32 GMT -5
Add Metalik and Lince to the group.
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Post by MrElijah on Jun 12, 2020 16:33:18 GMT -5
Santos Escobar sounds like the main bad guy from a El Mariachi movie.
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Post by hashtagdaley/JudasDay on Jun 12, 2020 16:56:03 GMT -5
I just want to say El Hijo del Fantasma is so satisfying to say, that I'm actually gutted he's now called a generic Spanish name like Santos Escobar. ![](https://411mania.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/07/Eric-Escobar-640x370.jpg) ESSSSCOBARRR! If any theme in the world needs to be recycled!!!
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Post by Deleted on Jun 14, 2020 1:06:08 GMT -5
I just want to say El Hijo del Fantasma is so satisfying to say, that I'm actually gutted he's now called a generic Spanish name like Santos Escobar. And his mask was dope too. Now he just looks like a discount Rush.
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Post by "Evil Brood" Jackson Vanik on Jun 14, 2020 1:09:59 GMT -5
I just want to say El Hijo del Fantasma is so satisfying to say, that I'm actually gutted he's now called a generic Spanish name like Santos Escobar. And his mask was dope too. Now he just looks like a discount Rush. Since the Revival are gone, I'm calling him Dash now.
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Jun 17, 2020 22:20:00 GMT -5
My boy is swaggy and he caught a body today
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Post by Deleted on Jun 18, 2020 0:23:18 GMT -5
Santos has already jumped up there with Angel Garza as WWE’s most interesting Latinx superstars. They’ve got something here with this guy.
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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on Jun 18, 2020 0:39:06 GMT -5
Man poor Andrade he's an amazing talent with plenty of charisma himself but Santos and Garza are f***ing lapping him right now.
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Post by EoE: Well There's Your Problem on Jun 18, 2020 0:44:53 GMT -5
Man poor Andrade he's an amazing talent with plenty of charisma himself but Santos and Garza are f***ing lapping him right now.
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Post by xxshoyuweeniexx on Jun 18, 2020 1:09:18 GMT -5
Man poor Andrade he's an amazing talent with plenty of charisma himself but Santos and Garza are f***ing lapping him right now. It helps that Garza and Santos have gimmicks they can really lean into. Garza is the sleazy smooth talking ladies man, and Santos is the leader of a mob. Love Drade, but compared to them he just feels kinda basic.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 18, 2020 3:35:37 GMT -5
Santos is a future WWE Champion and it’s so obvious.
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Post by hashtagdaley/JudasDay on Jun 18, 2020 3:36:23 GMT -5
This trio has so much badass swagger. Excited to see where they go.
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Post by Oh Cry Me a Screwball on Jun 18, 2020 4:19:26 GMT -5
If nothing else, Mendoza was completely bland as a directionless babyface on 205/NXT previously, and Wilde wasn't much better since his obnoxious raver gimmick wasn't translating without him being allowed to cue the airhorn sound effect through the arena sound systems.
Now, they can be a force for both helping Escobar dominate the Cruiserweight scene, and they can even help fill out the NXT Tag title scene which seems to have some new focus with Imperium, Breezango, One Two, Indus Sher, possibly even Velveteen and Lumis, Undisputed ERA, and the gods of the tag team scene, Ever Rise, in contention.
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