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Post by I'm Team Bayley and Indi on Mar 25, 2020 7:50:08 GMT -5
when David breaks down at the end then we see Sandra comfort him, don't think I've cried so much in a long while watching something.
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Post by Tiger Millionaire on Mar 25, 2020 8:45:01 GMT -5
I did not know about Jim Ross being thrown out of the funeral, so even right after the deaths, there was heat between Nancy's family and the WWE.
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Post by xxshoyuweeniexx on Mar 25, 2020 9:04:24 GMT -5
Man I felt for Daniel when he said only a few wrestlers were there for him right after his father passed. Like I totally understand those guys needing to distance themselves mentally from Chris and being around his family wouldn’t have helped..but man that kid and the remaining family got a raw deal.
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Post by edgestar on Mar 25, 2020 9:51:15 GMT -5
when David breaks down at the end then we say Sandra comfort him, don't think I've cried so much in a long while watching something. Especially after she said that the Benoit family had told the kids, that Nancy's family didn't want to see them. And vice versa. That's not helping anything or anyone, even if they intended to.
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Post by Viking Hall on Mar 25, 2020 9:58:34 GMT -5
The CTE is almost definitely what led to his skewed decision making and his lack of rationale that weekend, but I think if this documentary sheds light on anything it's that Benoit wasn't a well man mentally long before he did what he did. The story that Jericho tells about the 500 squats is a brief look into the inner workings of the man years before most people even started to notice anything was 'off' with him. It may have just seemed like a small peculiarity at the time, but over the course of 20+ years, that sort of behaviour becomes more and more destructive and the inner hatred it must have taken to literally beat himself up over what seemed like a tiny error must have been horrific to deal with on a daily basis and would have been magnified exponentially by things that he perceived as bigger mistakes too.
And then there was his relationships with others, particularly Eddie which again, seemingly bordered on the obsessive at times. I got the picture that it was all or nothing with him, you were either a friendly acquaintance or it was a deep rooted life long love with no healthy middle ground which again, isn't exactly normal behaviour for a man rapidly approaching middle age. That would have definitely come with a strong affectionate side which I think was represented nicely here but from his point of view, especially as his mind became more damaged through the years must have also undoubtedly come with a lot of paranoia and control issues when he was behind closed doors or left with his own thoughts as well.
The final eye opener for me was when Vicki was saying how he would seemingly be uncontrollably grief stricken around her home months after Eddie had passed, to the point where he had lost control of his emotions to being able to appear totally normal hours later in a professional environment where even she wouldn't have known anything was wrong if she hadn't have known otherwise. I don't want to go as far as saying he had a split personality or anything like that, but there's definitely evidence to suggest that he was able to switch parts of his personality on and off with relative ease when he needed to, which when you combine that with an already damaged mindset becomes a very dangerous situation, perhaps as demonstrated.
All in all, although he was clearly the perpetrator that horrible weekend, it's hard to put all of the blame at his feet. Unfortunately the seeds were perhaps always planted for a demise at his own hands and the other extenuating circumstances led to the rest of the tragedy. A horrible powder keg of mental illness, personality issues and physical damage that went too far to be reversed. Undoubtedly the saddest of all of the many tragedies to surround wrestling though, let's hope all those involved, both gone and still with us are able to gain some peace some day.
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Post by corndog on Mar 25, 2020 10:13:27 GMT -5
Another tear jerker for part II. A happy ending of sorts with Sandra and David rekindling their relationship. I agree that Nancy should still be remembered for her career and the family has been punished for Chris's sins, which is completely unfair. I also agree David should just give up on the wrestling thing, since he's had his chances, but I think it's good for him to do interviews and get his side of the story out there.
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Post by jason1980s on Mar 25, 2020 10:39:15 GMT -5
The murder/suicide is just something beyond belief. As fans, we will never be able to understand it. I don't think even a psychiatrist, psychotherapist, psychoanalyst or psychologist could even understand it.
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Post by salz4life on Mar 25, 2020 10:54:46 GMT -5
Never really hit me just how much Chavo lost in such a short period of time. Eddie, Chris, his dad. All gone pretty much one after the other. I pray he's getting the help he needs and can find peace. The thing that gave me a chill with Chavo was when they were discuss CTE with Benoit and Chavo said something to the effect of, "how much CTE do I have?". I hate to think Chavo could do something crazy because of CTE. It doesn't seem like it.... but no one saw this coming back in 2007 either.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 25, 2020 11:14:22 GMT -5
I think David's situation is a bit more touchy than just "he needs to do it or not"
I get tired of the constant back and forth with David Benoit, but imagine the mental struggle you have to through. I think he wants to wrestle because he loves it, and I think he wants to wrestle to redeem the family name. I also think he's scared to pull the trigger because he knows the backlash would be extreme and he'd be climbing a hell of a hill. Not to mention the fact that you have to reconcile that wrestling gave but it also helped take away your brother, your father, and your second mother, as well.
Besides that, where in the hell could he booked? WWE will never touch him. Hell, WWE will probably never even acknowledge his existence. AEW, progressive as they are, probably don't want the heat that comes with the last name Benoit on the payroll. Same thing with ROH, TNA, MLW. Even NJPW with all their attempts to make inroads in the states would probably never give him a look.
I feel for David. There is so much pain and hurt there, and how could there not be? I mean, you wake up every day looking like a man who did something horrific, and you called him "dad". Still, I think it's time to let the wrestling dream go.
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Post by BorneAgain on Mar 25, 2020 11:35:36 GMT -5
We'll never know the intricacies of Benoit's mental situation, but I don't think its out of the question that the guy had some ugly instincts that came out more and more if the CTE affected his impulse control.
I have to say its remarkable that Chavo has been okay as long as he has these past 10 years. For someone who's been dealt one of the worst hands in losing both close friends and family in awful ways, its almost beyond belief that he's still kept himself going in the business. I'm just glad the he got a position on GLOW where he's done some lauded work in training the cast while still not hurting his body that much.
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Post by The Heenan Family on Mar 25, 2020 11:38:54 GMT -5
I don't like that the after show brought on Tommy Dreamer. Last year he confessed to seriously considering bringing a gun to WrestleMania 17 to kill Paul Heyman.
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Post by Lupin the Third on Mar 25, 2020 12:14:20 GMT -5
This part was so hard to watch. I felt for David and Sandra. I'm so glad that they were able to meet again.
Thank you, Jericho, for bringing them back together.
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Post by Viking Hall on Mar 25, 2020 12:34:41 GMT -5
I think David's situation is a bit more touchy than just "he needs to do it or not" I get tired of the constant back and forth with David Benoit, but imagine the mental struggle you have to through. I think he wants to wrestle because he loves it, and I think he wants to wrestle to redeem the family name. I also think he's scared to pull the trigger because he knows the backlash would be extreme and he'd be climbing a hell of a hill. Not to mention the fact that you have to reconcile that wrestling gave but it also helped take away your brother, your father, and your second mother, as well. Besides that, where in the hell could he booked? WWE will never touch him. Hell, WWE will probably never even acknowledge his existence. AEW, progressive as they are, probably don't want the heat that comes with the last name Benoit on the payroll. Same thing with ROH, TNA, MLW. Even NJPW with all their attempts to make inroads in the states would probably never give him a look. I feel for David. There is so much pain and hurt there, and how could there not be? I mean, you wake up every day looking like a man who did something horrific, and you called him "dad". Still, I think it's time to let the wrestling dream go. This is where I'm at with him too I think. I believe he wants to wrestle but the dream situation of going out there and doing what he loves and the stark reality of what will actually face him simply because of who he is are vastly different scenarios. At least by living in relative anonymity the dream remains a dream and doesn't become yet another nightmare for him to face.
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Post by A Platypus Rave on Mar 25, 2020 13:15:30 GMT -5
there was a place that did actually book David Benoit though...
Jericho basically tore them a new one because they were throwing him into a match without training.
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Post by Beets by Schrute on Mar 25, 2020 13:17:44 GMT -5
As much as I have read about the Benoit tragedy, the part about the investigator saying Chris had gone to bed and had planned to wrestle that weekend with his wife and son dead in the house really disturbed me. It was even more heartbreaking seeing the videos of Daniel. I could not help but feel anger toward his father for what he did to him.
I echo Jim Ross’ sentiment. Chris Benoit does NOT deserve a Hall of Fame spot. Not now. Not ever. It is a slap to the face to Nancy’s family. It is disrespectful to those who have endured through domestic abuse.
The Hall of Fame is something that celebrates the history of WWE. There is nothing about Benoit that is worth celebrating. It does not matter how well the man did a suplex or performed submission moves. They will not glorify a man who killed a child.
I feel for David. Life has unfairly given him the worst baggage for him to carry. He is an innocent bystander and you cannot fault him for what he thinks of his father. It is human nature. I hope he comes to terms with what happened and is granted peace that he is desperately in need of.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 25, 2020 14:15:02 GMT -5
Man, I'm really pulling for David Benoit to have a hell of a wrestling career.
I definitely think he could do it if he really wanted it enough.
I could see AEW taking him but obviously he will need to work on his physique and get some actual training. He has the height which his dad didn't... But he looks nothing like a wrestler at this moment in time.
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Post by Blindkarevik on Mar 25, 2020 14:33:46 GMT -5
I definitely feel for David. I remember in one of Jericho's books, he said the first time he talked to him after the incident he asked Jericho, "Can I still go to the wrestling matches?"
But yeah, nobody will touch him. Maybe he can work in a backstage capacity, but I doubt he'll ever be considered for a wrestling position. And even in a backstage capacity I think it'd end up being more of a pity position than anything else... a "We know you love this and we feel bad for you, so here's a job" situation rather than someone being impressed with his work and needing him on board.
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Post by TWERKIN' MAGGLE on Mar 25, 2020 14:37:22 GMT -5
there was a place that did actually book David Benoit though... Jericho basically tore them a new one because they were throwing him into a match without training. And rightly so. You're gonna go and do that untrained? Absolutely appalling by everyone who let that get booked. From the promoter, to David himself. And Chavo should be especially ashamed that he was involved in it.
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Post by James Fabiano on Mar 25, 2020 14:46:59 GMT -5
Never really hit me just how much Chavo lost in such a short period of time. Eddie, Chris, his dad. All gone pretty much one after the other. I pray he's getting the help he needs and can find peace. The thing that gave me a chill with Chavo was when they were discuss CTE with Benoit and Chavo said something to the effect of, "how much CTE do I have?". I hate to think Chavo could do something crazy because of CTE. It doesn't seem like it.... but no one saw this coming back in 2007 either. First Kudos to Vice for putting these online too. I don't get the channel. Second, previously I understood that Chavo and Eddie were in the same hotel room. But as per this show, he was in the dark too as to what had happened. I guess it can be debated whether or not he could/should have done more when getting the odd texts from Chris. Or could it?
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Post by A Platypus Rave on Mar 25, 2020 14:54:18 GMT -5
I definitely feel for David. I remember in one of Jericho's books, he said the first time he talked to him after the incident he asked Jericho, "Can I still go to the wrestling matches?" But yeah, nobody will touch him. Maybe he can work in a backstage capacity, but I doubt he'll ever be considered for a wrestling position. And even in a backstage capacity I think it'd end up being more of a pity position than anything else... a "We know you love this and we feel bad for you, so here's a job" situation rather than someone being impressed with his work and needing him on board. There are always shindies that would book him. Hell again there was an indy that was willing to book him vs. Chavo (And advertise it) without David having any training. they only stopped because Jericho bitched them out publicly.
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