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Post by DiBiase is Good on Mar 23, 2020 21:48:03 GMT -5
A British centric one. In the mid nineties London's Burning was pulling 18 million viewers an episode and ran for over a decade, yet no modern goer could tell you a storyline, a character or an actor who appeared in it. The earlier series of London’s Burning were excellent. The stunts were spectacular and it had a very memorable group of characters. Another strength was that it wasn’t afraid to kill off major characters, even the original TV movie of it killed off the main character in it. This added a sense of jeopardy where “no one was safe” and ramped up the tension considerably. And then after about six series or so it started to resemble a soap opera and viewers started switching over. Somehow it limped to a fourteenth series but by then it was a shadow of the show it was and should have been put out of its misery long before it was. Shame.
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Post by DiBiase is Good on Mar 23, 2020 21:53:44 GMT -5
A British example, comedy sports panel quiz show "They Think It's All Over", which lasted from 1995 to 2005, popular at the time and rarely hear it get mentioned, last time I heard about it when two of the panelists - Rory McGrath made the news for harassing his ex-lover and Lee Hurst for questionable Tweets. Although Lee Hurst was the seemingly funniest of the original regulars, the show really hit its stride when Hurst left and after a period of “guest regulars” in Gower’s team they finally settled on having Jonathan Ross there every week. Once Lineker and Gower left the show was never the same and then after Nick Hancock left too, it was all over! They did bring in Lee Mack to host it but by that point, it had run its course.
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Post by DiBiase is Good on Mar 23, 2020 21:56:31 GMT -5
A British centric one. In the mid nineties London's Burning was pulling 18 million viewers an episode and ran for over a decade, yet no modern goer could tell you a storyline, a character or an actor who appeared in it. To be fair, Jerome Flynn was only in the original TV Movie of it. By the time it got to a full Series, his character was dropped.
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Post by A Platypus Rave on Mar 24, 2020 2:44:21 GMT -5
CSI Miami has to have the all-time record for a show being fueled well beyond its sell-by date entirely because of a meme When they redid the zones in the Cataclysm expansion Westfall became almost entirely a CS:Miami homage. Funnily enough that never happened again in World of Warcraft. Because they also had a zone which was a homage to Rambo and another one that was a homage to Indiana Zones. Cataclysm made me quit WoW. you and I are very different people... I for one fully enjoyed Cataclysm. that said I don't remember teh CSI miami zone. I do remember Indiana Jones area. Also... I think you're kinda forgetting there was literally a zone in Vanilla wow that was nothing but Nintendo references... so it wasn't entirely unheard of for WoW to make zones giant reference things...
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Post by MolotovMocktail on Mar 24, 2020 2:47:46 GMT -5
You can't overstate just how big fighting games were in the 90's, especially Street Fighter and Mortal Kombat. Now, Street Fighter V did get some buzz, but didn't dominate game talk like it did in its heyday. The latest Mortal Kombat release was met with, "eh, there's a new Mortal Kombat out." Tekken and King of Fighters release games sporadically, and they don't really seem to make a huge dent compared to other franchises. I'd also add to that any Rockstar game that's not GTA or Red Dead. Max Payne, Bully and Manhunt were all big, or at least controversial, for a time, now they never get talked about. In fact, Sinn Bodhi worked a local indy, and did a horror gimmick complete with creepy pig mask. At his merch table, I tried making a Manhunt reference, and he never even heard of the game - and he admitted to being a gamer. The FGC (fighting game community) is fairly big, but it is more niche than it was in the 90s for a number of factors, one being the high learning curve of many games (and the novelty wearing off, as happens with any hot genre). SF and MK still have their fandoms but the rise of Smash and anime-fighters like Dragon Ball and BlazeBlu have brought in different crowds. I always pinned the decline of fighting games on several factors, foremost that as games became more advanced with graphics and abilities, players had more interest in exploring the worlds, rather than just repeatedly playing 2 out of 3 fights. Also around this time was the decline of arcades, where the whole concept of challenging opponents went away. And then just so many similar games came out that many just ended up being knockoffs of each other, and what were once unique personalities just became stock characters (Asian martial artist; American martial artist; undercover cop; pro wrestler; ninja, etc.).
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Post by A Platypus Rave on Mar 24, 2020 3:05:23 GMT -5
The FGC (fighting game community) is fairly big, but it is more niche than it was in the 90s for a number of factors, one being the high learning curve of many games (and the novelty wearing off, as happens with any hot genre). SF and MK still have their fandoms but the rise of Smash and anime-fighters like Dragon Ball and BlazeBlu have brought in different crowds. I always pinned the decline of fighting games on several factors, foremost that as games became more advanced with graphics and abilities, players had more interest in exploring the worlds, rather than just repeatedly playing 2 out of 3 fights. Also around this time was the decline of arcades, where the whole concept of challenging opponents went away. And then just so many similar games came out that many just ended up being knockoffs of each other, and what were once unique personalities just became stock characters (Asian martial artist; American martial artist; undercover cop; pro wrestler; ninja, etc.). I do think the decline of Arcades has a ton do with it. every place basically had their own community around the games so you knew everyone and as you said having people come up and asking if you want to challenge the guy playing is a big part of it. also with arcades the games were either super simple like rail shooters, or side scrolling beatemups... so yeah just getting to play through tournaments on the game was enough... and you really didn't need much of a story outside of setup... character ending. a lot of the charm goes away when you're just in your house alone.
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Post by Mozenrath on Mar 24, 2020 3:29:19 GMT -5
You can't overstate just how big fighting games were in the 90's, especially Street Fighter and Mortal Kombat. Now, Street Fighter V did get some buzz, but didn't dominate game talk like it did in its heyday. The latest Mortal Kombat release was met with, "eh, there's a new Mortal Kombat out." Tekken and King of Fighters release games sporadically, and they don't really seem to make a huge dent compared to other franchises. I'd also add to that any Rockstar game that's not GTA or Red Dead. Max Payne, Bully and Manhunt were all big, or at least controversial, for a time, now they never get talked about. In fact, Sinn Bodhi worked a local indy, and did a horror gimmick complete with creepy pig mask. At his merch table, I tried making a Manhunt reference, and he never even heard of the game - and he admitted to being a gamer. Mortal Kombat 11 did MASSIVE sales numbers in 2019. Not trying to be a dick or anything, but you are either misremembering the hype around the release, or were insulated from it, because it was huge. Street Fighter V, though, has definitely been hindered. Sony really wanted it out there before Capcom was ready, and paid them handsomely to rush it. And rush it they did, given the paltry features and modes, many of the most popular characters absent, and small stuff like Ken Masters' redesign going over like a fart in church. Fighting games are big right now, but Capcom's seemed to have difficulty finding their place in it, between that and the absolute travesty that is how Marvel vs Capcom Infinite went over. Hell, throw in Street Fighter x Tekken, which similarly was racked with issues. Let's hope that Capcom gets its shit together, though I guess with Devil May Cry 5, Resident Evil these past few years, and Monster Hunter, they've shown they're far from incapable of making hits. It's just eluding their fighting game division right now.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 24, 2020 3:48:56 GMT -5
You can't overstate just how big fighting games were in the 90's, especially Street Fighter and Mortal Kombat. Now, Street Fighter V did get some buzz, but didn't dominate game talk like it did in its heyday. The latest Mortal Kombat release was met with, "eh, there's a new Mortal Kombat out." Tekken and King of Fighters release games sporadically, and they don't really seem to make a huge dent compared to other franchises. I'd also add to that any Rockstar game that's not GTA or Red Dead. Max Payne, Bully and Manhunt were all big, or at least controversial, for a time, now they never get talked about. In fact, Sinn Bodhi worked a local indy, and did a horror gimmick complete with creepy pig mask. At his merch table, I tried making a Manhunt reference, and he never even heard of the game - and he admitted to being a gamer. Mortal Kombat 11 did MASSIVE sales numbers in 2019. Not trying to be a dick or anything, but you are either misremembering the hype around the release, or were insulated from it, because it was huge. Street Fighter V, though, has definitely been hindered. Sony really wanted it out there before Capcom was ready, and paid them handsomely to rush it. And rush it they did, given the paltry features and modes, many of the most popular characters absent, and small stuff like Ken Masters' redesign going over like a fart in church. Fighting games are big right now, but Capcom's seemed to have difficulty finding their place in it, between that and the absolute travesty that is how Marvel vs Capcom Infinite went over. Hell, throw in Street Fighter x Tekken, which similarly was racked with issues. Let's hope that Capcom gets its shit together, though I guess with Devil May Cry 5, Resident Evil these past few years, and Monster Hunter, they've shown they're far from incapable of making hits. It's just eluding their fighting game division right now. MK's also kind of making a general pop culture comeback while at it, with the new animated movie and a new live action one. The latter looks like shit and changes everything for no reason but still, you've got a studio looking to sink big money into the property.
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Post by Jedi-El of Tomorrow on Mar 24, 2020 3:49:16 GMT -5
Season one of Heroes was gigantic and got a ton of love, season two while it fell off at least still had plenty of people watching and complaining about it, don't think anybody cares about anything that came after that and the revival fell flat on its face. Sheldon Cooper: "Heroes gradually lowered the quality season by season till we were grateful it ended."
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Post by Hurbster on Mar 24, 2020 4:23:54 GMT -5
When they redid the zones in the Cataclysm expansion Westfall became almost entirely a CS:Miami homage. Funnily enough that never happened again in World of Warcraft. Because they also had a zone which was a homage to Rambo and another one that was a homage to Indiana Zones. Cataclysm made me quit WoW. you and I are very different people... I for one fully enjoyed Cataclysm. that said I don't remember teh CSI miami zone. I do remember Indiana Jones area. Also... I think you're kinda forgetting there was literally a zone in Vanilla wow that was nothing but Nintendo references... so it wasn't entirely unheard of for WoW to make zones giant reference things... That was one quest in Un'Goro Crater - the Linken one. And of course because it was a classic quest it sent you all over the world. Enjoyed redoing that one in WoW Classic. And Blizzard are famous for dropping pop culture references in WoW, but entire bloody zones ?
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Post by A Platypus Rave on Mar 24, 2020 4:28:03 GMT -5
you and I are very different people... I for one fully enjoyed Cataclysm. that said I don't remember teh CSI miami zone. I do remember Indiana Jones area. Also... I think you're kinda forgetting there was literally a zone in Vanilla wow that was nothing but Nintendo references... so it wasn't entirely unheard of for WoW to make zones giant reference things... That was one quest in Un'Goro Crater - the Linken one. And of course because it was a classic quest it sent you all over the world. Enjoyed redoing that one in WoW Classic. And Blizzard are famous for dropping pop culture references in WoW, but entire bloody zones ? Un'Goro crater was almost entirely Nintendo references. Or at the very least a BIG part of it. Larion and Muigin who want you to study what are essentially Pirahna plants that give you a Giant Mallet Dadanga which is part of Linken's quest The Gorillas that drop Donkey Kong Barrells. edit: that said Vashj'ir almost made me and my brother quit the game >_>
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Post by I'm Team Bayley and Indi on Mar 24, 2020 4:37:12 GMT -5
A British example, comedy sports panel quiz show "They Think It's All Over", which lasted from 1995 to 2005, popular at the time and rarely hear it get mentioned, last time I heard about it when two of the panelists - Rory McGrath made the news for harassing his ex-lover and Lee Hurst for questionable Tweets. Although Lee Hurst was the seemingly funniest of the original regulars, the show really hit its stride when Hurst left and after a period of “guest regulars” in Gower’s team they finally settled on having Jonathan Ross there every week. Once Lineker and Gower left the show was never the same and then after Nick Hancock left too, it was all over! They did bring in Lee Mack to host it but by that point, it had run its course. Despite how popular Mack is now, i don't think many remember or know that he took over from Hancock because the shows popularity dropped that much
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Post by Clash, Never a Meter Maid on Mar 24, 2020 5:05:54 GMT -5
You can't overstate just how big fighting games were in the 90's, especially Street Fighter and Mortal Kombat. Now, Street Fighter V did get some buzz, but didn't dominate game talk like it did in its heyday. The latest Mortal Kombat release was met with, "eh, there's a new Mortal Kombat out." Tekken and King of Fighters release games sporadically, and they don't really seem to make a huge dent compared to other franchises. I'd also add to that any Rockstar game that's not GTA or Red Dead. Max Payne, Bully and Manhunt were all big, or at least controversial, for a time, now they never get talked about. In fact, Sinn Bodhi worked a local indy, and did a horror gimmick complete with creepy pig mask. At his merch table, I tried making a Manhunt reference, and he never even heard of the game - and he admitted to being a gamer. Mortal Kombat 11 did MASSIVE sales numbers in 2019. Not trying to be a dick or anything, but you are either misremembering the hype around the release, or were insulated from it, because it was huge. Street Fighter V, though, has definitely been hindered. Sony really wanted it out there before Capcom was ready, and paid them handsomely to rush it. And rush it they did, given the paltry features and modes, many of the most popular characters absent, and small stuff like Ken Masters' redesign going over like a fart in church. Fighting games are big right now, but Capcom's seemed to have difficulty finding their place in it, between that and the absolute travesty that is how Marvel vs Capcom Infinite went over. Hell, throw in Street Fighter x Tekken, which similarly was racked with issues. Let's hope that Capcom gets its shit together, though I guess with Devil May Cry 5, Resident Evil these past few years, and Monster Hunter, they've shown they're far from incapable of making hits. It's just eluding their fighting game division right now. And prior to MK11 and SFV, SFIV was really the game that launched Capcom and the franchise back to sales prominence after SF3’s commercial lull (despite that game’s eventual cult following).
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Post by Hurbster on Mar 24, 2020 5:35:05 GMT -5
That was one quest in Un'Goro Crater - the Linken one. And of course because it was a classic quest it sent you all over the world. Enjoyed redoing that one in WoW Classic. And Blizzard are famous for dropping pop culture references in WoW, but entire bloody zones ? Un'Goro crater was almost entirely Nintendo references. Or at the very least a BIG part of it. Larion and Muigin who want you to study what are essentially Pirahna plants that give you a Giant Mallet Dadanga which is part of Linken's quest The Gorillas that drop Donkey Kong Barrells. edit: that said Vashj'ir almost made me and my brother quit the game >_> Yeah, they even had a Paris Hilton one in BC selling a big bag. And Vash'jir went on for too long and was a bit disorienting. AND they cut content from it as well.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 24, 2020 8:50:47 GMT -5
Do people still talk about Jersey Shore? I know MTV was trying to still milk it recently. There's been a follow up series - Family Vacation - on for a couple seasons now. And the premise has run so thin that IIRC Snooki finally decided to step away so she could just live her life. SNOOKI QUIT THE SHOW. That's how done JS is. At my parents' house, it's never been more relevant - my dad won't stop watching RIDICULOUSNESS, it actually makes the rest of the family ill.
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Post by BorneAgain on Mar 24, 2020 9:26:50 GMT -5
I'd say its not so much that the popularity of fighting games has gone down as much as gaming getting so emcompassing that many other major gaming spheres have gotten as big or bigger than it. RPGs, First Person Shooters, Battle Royales, and Open World Sandbox games are huge among younger players and thus often get the significant attention in the pop culture sphere.
Moreover many of the significant franchises are still very much skillgate titles in an era where difficulty and access as become much more manageable. Its telling that the recently popular Smash Bros & Mortal Kombat 11, while both getting tournament shows, are more geared towards either the party game aspect in the former, or the surrounding lore/characters of the latter. Neither is as defined by their competitive play like a Street Fighter is.
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Post by Ryback on a Pole! on Mar 24, 2020 9:31:09 GMT -5
I never see Sean William Scott mentioned or in anything. And during the 90s, he was in every comedy movie it seemed. He was the face of 90s comedy
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Post by mike1287 on Mar 24, 2020 9:34:52 GMT -5
ESPN Sportscenter, particularly the 11pm show
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Post by Shy Guy on Mar 24, 2020 10:08:50 GMT -5
I never see Sean William Scott mentioned or in anything. And during the 90s, he was in every comedy movie it seemed. He was the face of 90s comedy he was in the final season of the lethal weapon tv show, last year
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Post by Ryback on a Pole! on Mar 24, 2020 10:37:10 GMT -5
I never see Sean William Scott mentioned or in anything. And during the 90s, he was in every comedy movie it seemed. He was the face of 90s comedy he was in the final season of the lethal weapon tv show, last year Theres lethal weapon tv show?
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