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Post by carp (SPC, Itoh Respect Army) on Mar 26, 2020 11:21:31 GMT -5
Has Leelee Sobieski done anything recently? Christ, you could make this entire list just of actresses whose careers just suddenly and quickly ended. Kelly McGillis? Tia Carrere? Elisabeth Shue? Jennifer Love Hewitt? Nikki Cox? Denise Richards? Andie MacDowell? Minnie Driver? Kim Basinger?... I mean Harvey Weinstein probably wrecked a good third of these people's careers just by himself, but man is this a depressingly common thing.
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Post by SkullTrauma on Mar 26, 2020 11:28:22 GMT -5
Has Leelee Sobieski done anything recently? Christ, you could make this entire list just of actresses whose careers just suddenly and quickly ended. Kelly McGillis? Tia Carrere? Elisabeth Shue? Jennifer Love Hewitt? Nikki Cox? Denise Richards? Andie MacDowell? Minnie Driver? Kim Basinger?... Nikki Cox turned herself into a lake troll with tons of bad plastic surgery.
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Post by arrogantmodel on Mar 26, 2020 13:32:37 GMT -5
There was a time when The Real World, specifically the San Francisco season, was this cultural zeitgeist of life as a young person in America circa 1992. Then it became the forerunner to the sleazy hook up based reality shows of the 2000s. Now I don't even think it exist. Yep, I loved this show as a kid. The last decent season was The Miz's Back to New York. The show actually had people learn and grow from one another. Dealing with race, sexual orientation, gender, etc. Then it became, "Let's find the biggest bunch of assholes we can."
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Post by salz4life on Mar 26, 2020 15:10:05 GMT -5
The same thing happens with, say, streaming TV series. I've had so many conversations at work where Person X would ask if I've watched The Mandalorian or Man In The High Castle and when I say no, they look at me all strange. Buddy, it's not me, it's you --- I have other interests I'm pursuing and that's okay (like endlessly rewatching Ken Burns' "The Vietnam War", the Criterion Collection Olympics boxset or 1973's "The World At War" documentary miniseries for the millionth time, lmao). There's too much content out there, and a lot of it is so long and detailed that you can't always assume a person's always going to be into the latest thing. But don't outright shun someone for not seeing the hot movie/series/game just to keep up appearances. The Vietnam War documentary by Ken Burns was fantastic. I need to rewatch that. I really wanted to get that Olympic boxset but the wife wasn't keen on me throwing down that much money for it. How was that?
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Post by salz4life on Mar 26, 2020 15:12:35 GMT -5
There was a time when The Real World, specifically the San Francisco season, was this cultural zeitgeist of life as a young person in America circa 1992. Then it became the forerunner to the sleazy hook up based reality shows of the 2000s. Now I don't even think it exist. I used to watch it religiously..... I think The Miz's season might've been the last one I really watched from beginning to end.
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Post by BJ Sturgeon on Mar 26, 2020 17:29:54 GMT -5
Has Leelee Sobieski done anything recently? Christ, you could make this entire list just of actresses whose careers just suddenly and quickly ended. Kelly McGillis? Tia Carrere? Elisabeth Shue? Jennifer Love Hewitt? Nikki Cox? Denise Richards? Andie MacDowell? Minnie Driver? Kim Basinger?... I mean Harvey Weinstein probably wrecked a good third of these people's careers just by himself, but man is this a depressingly common thing. Geena Davis too, in no small part thanks to Cutthroat Island.
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Post by arrogantmodel on Mar 26, 2020 18:05:00 GMT -5
There was a time when The Real World, specifically the San Francisco season, was this cultural zeitgeist of life as a young person in America circa 1992. Then it became the forerunner to the sleazy hook up based reality shows of the 2000s. Now I don't even think it exist. I used to watch it religiously..... I think The Miz's season might've been the last one I really watched from beginning to end. Chicago wasn't bad. It was where they actually stopped the show and let the roommates watch the 9/11 attacks. San Diego had a rapist. Las Vegas was "meh." I think I stopped with Denver.
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Post by A Platypus Rave on Mar 26, 2020 18:15:42 GMT -5
Has Leelee Sobieski done anything recently? Christ, you could make this entire list just of actresses whose careers just suddenly and quickly ended. Kelly McGillis? Tia Carrere? Elisabeth Shue? Jennifer Love Hewitt? Nikki Cox? Denise Richards? Andie MacDowell? Minnie Driver? Kim Basinger?... JLH is currently starring in a TV show... and has been pretty consistently throughout all of the 2000's.
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Post by Shy Guy on Mar 26, 2020 19:31:08 GMT -5
I used to watch it religiously..... I think The Miz's season might've been the last one I really watched from beginning to end. Chicago wasn't bad. It was where they actually stopped the show and let the roommates watch the 9/11 attacks. San Diego had a rapist. Las Vegas was "meh." I think I stopped with Denver. Was the rapist on the cast, or was did a rape take place in the house?? Cause if it turns out to be Brad, you bet I believe that
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Post by Natural Born Farmer on Mar 26, 2020 20:42:17 GMT -5
During the 90s? The first American Pie came out in 1999. 😊 So early 2000s is more accurate. Huh, I thought it was earlier than that. Guess not. Still, he mostly vanished after a few years of being in everything He’s alluded to having some serious substance abuse problems over the years, but he cleaned up enough to be in Goon and the sequel. He hasn’t been in much since but I think that might be somewhat by choice.
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Post by arrogantmodel on Mar 27, 2020 3:11:24 GMT -5
Chicago wasn't bad. It was where they actually stopped the show and let the roommates watch the 9/11 attacks. San Diego had a rapist. Las Vegas was "meh." I think I stopped with Denver. Was the rapist on the cast, or was did a rape take place in the house?? Cause if it turns out to be Brad, you bet I believe that Let's see if I remember...Randy replaced Frankie, right? Sadly, I saw she passed away a while back. Anyways, I think it was one of Randy's friends.
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Post by Cranjis McBasketball on Mar 27, 2020 5:34:54 GMT -5
Christ, you could make this entire list just of actresses whose careers just suddenly and quickly ended. Kelly McGillis? Tia Carrere? Elisabeth Shue? Jennifer Love Hewitt? Nikki Cox? Denise Richards? Andie MacDowell? Minnie Driver? Kim Basinger?... JLH is currently starring in a TV show... and has been pretty consistently throughout all of the 2000's. Yeah she peaced out of Criminal Minds because she was pregnant or a new mom. But she still gets work. She’s not the sex symbol she was 20 years ago but who is?
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Post by Shy Guy on Mar 27, 2020 7:06:05 GMT -5
JLH is currently starring in a TV show... and has been pretty consistently throughout all of the 2000's. Yeah she peaced out of Criminal Minds because she was pregnant or a new mom. But she still gets work. She’s not the sex symbol she was 20 years ago but who is? She's really good on 9-1-1, and looks great with a little extra weight on her
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Post by Limity (BLM) on Mar 27, 2020 7:29:11 GMT -5
JLH is currently starring in a TV show... and has been pretty consistently throughout all of the 2000's. Yeah she peaced out of Criminal Minds because she was pregnant or a new mom. But she still gets work. She’s not the sex symbol she was 20 years ago but who is? Rob Lowe.
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Post by salz4life on Mar 27, 2020 10:33:50 GMT -5
Huh, I thought it was earlier than that. Guess not. Still, he mostly vanished after a few years of being in everything He’s alluded to having some serious substance abuse problems over the years, but he cleaned up enough to be in Goon and the sequel. He hasn’t been in much since but I think that might be somewhat by choice. The Goon is tremendous. I still haven't seen the sequel, though.
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Post by FALLOUT Goldashausen #BLM on Mar 27, 2020 15:22:22 GMT -5
The same thing happens with, say, streaming TV series. I've had so many conversations at work where Person X would ask if I've watched The Mandalorian or Man In The High Castle and when I say no, they look at me all strange. Buddy, it's not me, it's you --- I have other interests I'm pursuing and that's okay (like endlessly rewatching Ken Burns' "The Vietnam War", the Criterion Collection Olympics boxset or 1973's "The World At War" documentary miniseries for the millionth time, lmao). There's too much content out there, and a lot of it is so long and detailed that you can't always assume a person's always going to be into the latest thing. But don't outright shun someone for not seeing the hot movie/series/game just to keep up appearances. The Vietnam War documentary by Ken Burns was fantastic. I need to rewatch that. I really wanted to get that Olympic boxset but the wife wasn't keen on me throwing down that much money for it. How was that? The artistic quality of the Olympic documentaries range from awful to amazing, but the picture quality is unbelievable and the historical significance is off the charts. The footage from the 1910's and 1920's is some of the best looking I've ever seen from that era. The evolution of the games (and filmmaking techniques) from unpolished to a spectacle is also cool to see. I think the boxset was designed to follow the Olympics through the evolution of film technology, and it does exactly that --- from one-camera exposures in 1912, big budget widescreen films in the 60s and 70s, through digital video in the 90's and finally to HD video for Beijing/Vancouver/London.
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Post by "Gizzark" Mike Wronglevenay on Mar 27, 2020 18:13:26 GMT -5
A British centric one. In the mid nineties London's Burning was pulling 18 million viewers an episode and ran for over a decade, yet no modern goer could tell you a storyline, a character or an actor who appeared in it. I'd add in Solider, Soldier and Men Behaving Badly. Massive shows, Soldier Soldier got Robson and Jerome a number 1, that'll occasionally be played with no reference to where it came from. Men Behaving Badly was almost our Friends in being the defining mainstream sitcom about people in their 20s, but it never gets mentioned, not sure it even gets shown on repeat. Compare that with something like Spaced just a few years later which has held up a lot better and had far more impact when it was just some cheap little Channel 4 show at the time. Yeah I never hear Men Behaving Badly get mentioned by anybody any more. I find that super weird because I remember everyone talking about it when it was on. Some more UK ones are Skins and Shameless. Both were massive initially and had genuine cultural significance in the early 2000's. I remember going to Skins club nights when I was a teenager and feeling like it was a direct depiction of what it was like to 18 in the UK at that time. The trouble being with that is that it only represented you for a brief moment in time giving it one of the shortest shelf lives ever. I think it went on for quite a few series, but with an ever rotating cast, presumably to attract an ever rotating viewership. Shameless was one of the best written shows I'd ever seen when it first came out and had an amazing cast too. Unfortunately along the way it lost most of its best cast members as they moved onto bigger and brighter things and the show suffered massively. Eventually it veered into a parody of its former self and it went from being essential viewing to 'that show I used to watch' before eventually fizzling out with a skeleton crew of characters. Just remembered Sugar Rush too which was another massive hit for Channel 4, but suffered from the same feat as Skins in that it was aimed at a very specific teen audience and therefore was almost instantly forgotten, despite being a commercial and critical success. Wikipedia tells me that it occasionally shared a time slot with Big Brother which might actually be the ultimate answer to this question. The biggest water cooler show in the UK for its first few series to complete insignificance within a few years. Shit me inside out it's like I wrote this post. I was the same age as the characters in Skins and everyone I knew watched it. I hated it. People loved it because it was relatable - I hated it because it was damn relatable. Shameless is still for my money one of the greatest TV shows in UK history - the first two seasons, the new year and Christmas special, are basically untouchable. Seasons three and four are okay and five has moments, but mostly from that point onwards the show has a rapid descent into absolute garbage that's nigh unwatchable. And holy shit dude I have never seen anyone else mention Sugar Rush anywhere. I used to watch it, partly because of titillation and partly because I didn't really know I was a queer and was mesmerised by that - I remember hating it pretty much throughout despite watching it though. I remember in the second season when she had a non-Sugar girlfriend and her voiceover was just repeating over and over 'EVERYTHING IS GREAT NOW NOTHING CAN POSSIBLY GO WRONG' and then she gets home and finds her girlfriend in a very easily explainable situation with her ex boyfriend and EVERYTHING IS SOMEHOW RUINED NOW
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Post by Viking Hall on Mar 28, 2020 5:52:08 GMT -5
I'd add in Solider, Soldier and Men Behaving Badly. Massive shows, Soldier Soldier got Robson and Jerome a number 1, that'll occasionally be played with no reference to where it came from. Men Behaving Badly was almost our Friends in being the defining mainstream sitcom about people in their 20s, but it never gets mentioned, not sure it even gets shown on repeat. Compare that with something like Spaced just a few years later which has held up a lot better and had far more impact when it was just some cheap little Channel 4 show at the time. Yeah I never hear Men Behaving Badly get mentioned by anybody any more. I find that super weird because I remember everyone talking about it when it was on. Believe it or not, the entire run of Men Behaving Badly is on Netflix, I rewatched them all recently (because that's the kind of guy I am) and the majority of it holds up way better than I expected. The early Harry Enfield (instead of Neil Morrissey) episodes which I think are series 1 and 2 are a bit of a slog but beyond that it's still really funny. Martin Clunes and Neil Morrissey had amazing chemistry together and it also has the advantage where the female characters are actually pretty funny too instead of just being props like they were in a lot of other male driven sitcoms. It does occasionally get repeated on one of the freeview channels too, but considering how popular it was it is strangely forgotten. Having said that though, that does seem to be the case for a lot of nineties British sitcoms. There were a lot of really massive shows that somehow have never reached the 'classic' status that a lot of the seventies and eighties sitcoms did. Stuff like The Thin Blue Line, 2 Point 4 Children, Goodnight Sweetheart, The Brittas Empire... (the list goes on) were all huge in terms of viewing figures but rarely get a mention these days. Even the stuff that is remembered fondly like One Foot in the Grave or Absolutely Fabulous don't seem to get the reruns and repeats the older stuff gets, making it a largely forgotten era in general. Which is shame because there's some really good shows among them. Some more UK ones are Skins and Shameless. Both were massive initially and had genuine cultural significance in the early 2000's. I remember going to Skins club nights when I was a teenager and feeling like it was a direct depiction of what it was like to 18 in the UK at that time. The trouble being with that is that it only represented you for a brief moment in time giving it one of the shortest shelf lives ever. I think it went on for quite a few series, but with an ever rotating cast, presumably to attract an ever rotating viewership. Shameless was one of the best written shows I'd ever seen when it first came out and had an amazing cast too. Unfortunately along the way it lost most of its best cast members as they moved onto bigger and brighter things and the show suffered massively. Eventually it veered into a parody of its former self and it went from being essential viewing to 'that show I used to watch' before eventually fizzling out with a skeleton crew of characters. Just remembered Sugar Rush too which was another massive hit for Channel 4, but suffered from the same feat as Skins in that it was aimed at a very specific teen audience and therefore was almost instantly forgotten, despite being a commercial and critical success. Wikipedia tells me that it occasionally shared a time slot with Big Brother which might actually be the ultimate answer to this question. The biggest water cooler show in the UK for its first few series to complete insignificance within a few years. Shit me inside out it's like I wrote this post. I was the same age as the characters in Skins and everyone I knew watched it. I hated it. People loved it because it was relatable - I hated it because it was damn relatable. Shameless is still for my money one of the greatest TV shows in UK history - the first two seasons, the new year and Christmas special, are basically untouchable. Seasons three and four are okay and five has moments, but mostly from that point onwards the show has a rapid descent into absolute garbage that's nigh unwatchable. And holy shit dude I have never seen anyone else mention Sugar Rush anywhere. I used to watch it, partly because of titillation and partly because I didn't really know I was a queer and was mesmerised by that - I remember hating it pretty much throughout despite watching it though. I remember in the second season when she had a non-Sugar girlfriend and her voiceover was just repeating over and over 'EVERYTHING IS GREAT NOW NOTHING CAN POSSIBLY GO WRONG' and then she gets home and finds her girlfriend in a very easily explainable situation with her ex boyfriend and EVERYTHING IS SOMEHOW RUINED NOW I'm honestly not sure if I could have told you that there was a second series of Sugar Rush, it's more than likely that life had moved on by that point for me as I was working full time and usually working in the evenings too, so there were a lot of shows I missed after that, but I distinctly remember watching the first series or at least part of it, (largely for for the titillation) and it being one of those shows that everyone talked about. I suppose they were shows for the MySpace generation really, which seems so niche looking back on it now through modern eyes, but it's easy to forget that they came had a time when television (and terrestrial television at that) was still the number one entertainment source for everyone from teenagers to pensioners. Crazy how things have moved on in such a relatively small space of time.
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Post by Mozenrath on Mar 28, 2020 6:06:43 GMT -5
*was* a lethal weapon tv show. lasted three seasons, hes just in the last one. Yeah... surprisingly the guy that took on Mel Gibson's role ... was also a jackass from what I remember... so he was replaced ... and then I think Keenan Ivory Wayans (who played Danny Glover's character) said he was done and the show ended. Damon Wayans, actually. And ironically enough, quit because he was too old for this shit, so I mean, can't say he didn't get into character.
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Post by Malcolm on Mar 28, 2020 8:45:28 GMT -5
I just remembered one: The Little Rascals
Outside of Moe killing the original Alfalfa on The Simpsons and that movie in the 90s(Ithink?) I haven't really heard a thing about them.
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