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Post by Clash, Never a Meter Maid on Mar 23, 2020 6:16:22 GMT -5
Because there’ll be wrestlers who have mostly good stories to tell about their piers. Then the news sites will always sell them as “Biff The Ring Ripper SHOOTS on Gary Goliath!”, and then Biff is all “Gary was the sweetest guy, his kids are fun, sometimes he partied too hard on the road but he looked out for the boys.” Conflict (or maybe the inference of it) sells to combat sport fans, I suppose.
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Post by David-Arquette was in WCW 2000 on Mar 23, 2020 8:19:12 GMT -5
I always assumed it was because they weren't talking in kayfabe. They were breaking character and being real. Not necessarily honest, but real.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 23, 2020 8:20:22 GMT -5
Shoot just means you aren't talking in character. It doesn't mean you are negatively speaking about things.
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Post by eJm on Mar 23, 2020 8:27:05 GMT -5
I can understand it kind of but it will always sound dumb to me.
Like, we don’t go “Chris Evans SHOOTS on his fellow Avengers” because, well, we know he’s not really Captain America.
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Post by flakeymcgill on Mar 23, 2020 8:57:07 GMT -5
There's lots of sayings and terms that you see used around wrestling that you never do elsewhere. We're all guilty of it. One that really sticks out to me is when we read someone is "done with" something.
"Bischoff done with WWE"
I never see that awkward, ham-fisted expression used in any other walk of life other than to describe someone leaving a wrestling promotion.
Celebrities quit
Politicans resign
Wrestlers? 'Done with'
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Post by eJm on Mar 23, 2020 9:02:45 GMT -5
There's lots of sayings and terms that you see used around wrestling that you never do elsewhere. We're all guilty of it. One that really sticks out to me is when we read someone is "done with" something. "Bischoff done with WWE" I never see that awkward, ham-fisted expression used in any other walk of life other than to describe someone leaving a wrestling promotion. Celebrities quit Politicans resign Wrestlers? 'Done with' That term pops up in football/soccer journalism sometimes. With speculation that a player is done with the team they’re playing for etc. Not often but it happens.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 23, 2020 9:13:41 GMT -5
It's a twist on the old saying "shooting from the hip," an Old West term in regards to a gunslinger who'd shoot quickly to win a fight without taking the time to aim; see also the origins of "shot first, ask questions later."
The idea is that "shooting" is your real unfiltered reaction. You're saying what you really think, without pausing to give real consideration to your opinion.
It's a comment on the nature of journalism, too. Proper interviews are not shoots, whether the wrestler is in character or not. But a shoot is usually seen to be conducted by those who wanna play "gotcha" with the headlines that could come out of those shoot comments.
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Post by Dr. Bolty, Disaster Enby on Mar 23, 2020 10:08:50 GMT -5
At least partly because "interview" already means something in wrestling-speak, so there has to be a specification.
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Post by This Player Hating Mothman on Mar 23, 2020 14:28:06 GMT -5
When these things first started up they were being marketed as 'shoot interviews'. Obviously by now most everyone is giving out of character interviews and we've got a f***ton of podcasts, but it's just the nature of salacious Youtube stuff to keep up the clickbaity titles, which actually does hearken back to the early Youtube days too with stuff like "Jim Cornette shoots on the Montreal Screwjob" and stuff like that.
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Post by Joe Neglia on Mar 23, 2020 21:27:53 GMT -5
There's lots of sayings and terms that you see used around wrestling that you never do elsewhere. We're all guilty of it. One that really sticks out to me is when we read someone is "done with" something. "Bischoff done with WWE" I never see that awkward, ham-fisted expression used in any other walk of life other than to describe someone leaving a wrestling promotion. Celebrities quit Politicans resign Wrestlers? 'Done with' That term pops up in football/soccer journalism sometimes. With speculation that a player is done with the team they’re playing for etc. Not often but it happens. I'm guessing they've either co-opted it from wrestling (and there has definitely been some of that over the last few years), or they're coming to it from the same starting point that the wrestling term did - in that they were "straight-shooting" on something instead of lying.
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Post by Joe Neglia on Mar 23, 2020 21:29:15 GMT -5
At least partly because "interview" already means something in wrestling-speak, so there has to be a specification. "Gimmick" means about 14 different things in wrestling-speak.
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Post by 4TheGlory on Mar 23, 2020 23:30:11 GMT -5
I always thought shoot = shooting from the hip aka being extremely blunt and honest
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Post by Lance Uppercut on Mar 24, 2020 1:09:48 GMT -5
I always thought shoot = shooting from the hip aka being extremely blunt and honest From an interview perspective, but i also thought it would be from “shooting” in amateur wrestling. It’s a stepping technique in order to grab someone and take them to the mat
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Post by Mozenrath on Mar 24, 2020 1:34:21 GMT -5
I'm guessing they've either co-opted it from wrestling (and there has definitely been some of that over the last few years), or they're coming to it from the same starting point that the wrestling term did - in that they were "straight-shooting" on something instead of lying. Same thing with someone being a "mark" also being used in multiple other things besides pro wrestling, to describe someone as being gullible, or they fell for some sort of con. Helps that one is general carnie or con job slang, anyway.
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Post by A Platypus Rave on Mar 24, 2020 1:49:00 GMT -5
There's lots of sayings and terms that you see used around wrestling that you never do elsewhere. We're all guilty of it. One that really sticks out to me is when we read someone is "done with" something. "Bischoff done with WWE" I never see that awkward, ham-fisted expression used in any other walk of life other than to describe someone leaving a wrestling promotion. Celebrities quit Politicans resign Wrestlers? 'Done with' It gets used for entertainment a lot. I've seen things like Robert Downey Jr. Done with the Marvel Cinematic universe and the like. Ben Affleck done with/Done Playing Batman. etc.
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Post by A Platypus Rave on Mar 24, 2020 1:50:40 GMT -5
I'm guessing they've either co-opted it from wrestling (and there has definitely been some of that over the last few years), or they're coming to it from the same starting point that the wrestling term did - in that they were "straight-shooting" on something instead of lying. Same thing with someone being a "mark" also being used in multiple other things besides pro wrestling, to describe someone as being gullible, or they fell for some sort of con. that came from Carny/con man speak and is not limited to just wrestling.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 24, 2020 2:12:14 GMT -5
yeah. the term "shoot" always makes me think that the person doing the "shooting" is gonna talk negatively on someone. I also feel the usage of "shoot" in youtube clips is done for clickbait as well, "This guy's gonna talk trash about Eddie Guerrero?!"
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Post by EvenBaldobombHasAJob on Mar 24, 2020 12:32:02 GMT -5
It's basically just an industry jargon term that got adopted by fans as a shorthand for "out of character interview". Happens all the time.
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Post by corndog on Mar 24, 2020 12:48:13 GMT -5
I get that when you hear so and so "shoots" on someone, it is going to be bad, but it doesn't necessarily mean that. It just means their actual take on the person or event, whether good or bad.
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Post by adamclark52 on Mar 26, 2020 1:04:02 GMT -5
It means you’re saying something that will likely ruin you’re career or “shooting yourself in the foot”
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