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Post by XaviersSS2015hair on Mar 28, 2020 16:59:32 GMT -5
According to Tony on WHW they didn't even have an outfit for the Shockmaster the day of his debut. They sent somebody out the day of his debut to go shopping for the outfit. That's how important his debut was to WCW.
As for the Super Shockmaster I have zero recollection of it. Until I started reading about him online a few years ago I don't remember Super Shockmaster even existing. And I was a faithful WCW viewer at that time. It doesn't seem like from that interview that was posted that Super Shockmaster was supposed to be a heel. It sounds like he was going after Vader who was the number one heel in WCW.
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Post by clodhopper on Mar 28, 2020 18:54:18 GMT -5
As for the Super Shockmaster I have zero recollection of it.
Me neither. I watched more WCW than WWF back then and yet I feel like this is the first I've heard of this guy.
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Post by Joe Neglia on Mar 28, 2020 19:58:21 GMT -5
According to Tony on WHW they didn't even have an outfit for the Shockmaster the day of his debut. They sent somebody out the day of his debut to go shopping for the outfit. That's how important his debut was to WCW. As for the Super Shockmaster I have zero recollection of it. Until I started reading about him online a few years ago I don't remember Super Shockmaster even existing. And I was a faithful WCW viewer at that time. It doesn't seem like from that interview that was posted that Super Shockmaster was supposed to be a heel. It sounds like he was going after Vader who was the number one heel in WCW. I'll have to track it down, but there's another promo he did (I don't think it was an interview, just a promo) where he was very blatant that he was out to find and destroy the original Shockmaster. This appears to be Super Shockmaster's only actual match, though. The match and Schiavone interview were taped on January 3, 1994; Shockmaster would only have one more match with the company, eight days later teaming with Mark Starr as a job team against Orndorff and Roma. What's funny is that on the January 3 tapings, the "regular" Shockmaster wrestled about five matches prior to Super Shockmaster's debut match.
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Post by Zen411 on Mar 28, 2020 23:57:31 GMT -5
Wow. After seeing the pics and the interview with super shockmaster, fred was such a terrible promo. Man. He sounds like val venis without the double entendres. That throaty kind of voice.
That costume looks like something a sitcom would throw together for a wrestling themed episode. How lame. No wonder he jumped at the chance to go back to wwf.
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Post by Johnny B. Decent on Mar 29, 2020 0:01:58 GMT -5
They later on tried to introduce the Super Shockmaster, which I believe was supposed to be the regular Shockmaster's uncle or something like that, but the Super Shockmaster wasn't a klutz like his nephew. I believe this was what the original look and feel of the gimmick was supposed to be. Well, it's nothing amazing, but it looks a hell of a lot better then the regular Shockmaster attire.
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Post by Joe Neglia on Mar 29, 2020 0:41:15 GMT -5
Wow. After seeing the pics and the interview with super shockmaster, fred was such a terrible promo. Man. He sounds like val venis without the double entendres. That throaty kind of voice. It sounds to me like he's trying real hard to make the Super Shockmater sound more like the Ole Anderson distorted voice from his first appearance, instead of Fred's normal promo voice.
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Post by Futureraven: Beelzebruv on Mar 29, 2020 1:40:58 GMT -5
I always wondered if this was a work. Its almost too perfect. Same, even if it'd gone perfectly, he'd have looked cheap and ridiculous to a point I can't believe even WCW wouldn't have noticed. Glittery Storm Trooper helmet Shity black cape Blue jeans Cowboy boots
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Post by Deleted on Mar 29, 2020 2:41:44 GMT -5
I always wondered if this was a work. Its almost too perfect. Same, even if it'd gone perfectly, he'd have looked cheap and ridiculous to a point I can't believe even WCW wouldn't have noticed. Glittery Storm Trooper helmet Shity black cape Blue jeans Cowboy boots Even if the trip wasn't planned, the rest has to have been a rib. I can't imagine them thinking that was a serious gimmick. I always wondered if wrestling companies fake these things to work people. Like maybe The Shockmaster is the greatest work of all because they convinced everyone it is real. Same could be said for the Montreal Screwjob but I personally believe that was real.
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Post by Heinz Doofenschmirtz on Mar 29, 2020 9:59:05 GMT -5
God, the mask with the hole in the top is just the worst look.
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Post by toodarkmark on Mar 29, 2020 22:00:55 GMT -5
This was Dusty getting his "relative" over as best as he could. The Shockmaster debut was such a joke, they immediately had him dress like a construction worker and talk about how all the noise got him confused and he fell. Then he talked about loving kids, and comics and cartoons like them. Theres an interview with Tony at a diner, and he's eating food on his break from being a construction worker. I actually think that interview is almost as bad as him falling. It felt so fake and forced.
No matter how much he won, and no matter how much they played up him being a klutz as a gimmick, crowds were just not into it. So then they said lets do a SUPER Shockmaster and we end the old one. He can even do the Ole voice. This was their last try, probably given one more chance to get Dusty's family person over, and it didn't work. Super Shockmaster was such a one time thing, everyone who watched all WCW at the time, couldn't remember it happening. It totally feels like the Madella Effect.
So this was Dusty trying to get a family (although they might not be related) guy over, who had been a tag champion in WWF, and they probably signed him to at least 4 months. It started bad, and the investment never worked out. I dont think this is a "WCW sucked" thing, this was a "Dusty should have stopped creating sports entertainment characters after 1988".
But years later it found a second life as the worst thing ever, bigger then Tugboat/Typhoon. But it killed Ottman's career at the time. I still dont know why they just didnt call him US Steel, like he did for Dusty in Florida, and made him a patriotic fat guy who did steel work.
It's probably a better tale of why 60 year olds shouldnt be head bookers.
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Post by jason1980s on Mar 30, 2020 7:09:38 GMT -5
As a kid I never knew the entrance was botched. I didn't even get Jesse Ventura laughing. When Shockmaster came out I thought it was awesome. I do wonder how it would have gone if the 2x4 hadn't been there. It does seem like WCW didn't have a real plan for this character. Unless a "WWF" guy had a gimmick that could be used in any promotion (Hulk, Hacksaw, Macho) WCW just never seemed to know how to use a WWF guy unless on a rare occasion and would shuffle them from gimmick to gimmick (Brutus, Earthquake, Bossman among the most famous).
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Post by Toilet Paper Roll on Mar 30, 2020 8:13:15 GMT -5
I always wondered why did they air the Shockmaster debut ? Why not just show it
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Post by Deleted on Mar 30, 2020 9:03:08 GMT -5
I always wondered why did they air the Shockmaster debut ? Why not just show it It happened on a Clash and those were live.
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Post by jason1980s on Mar 30, 2020 12:50:25 GMT -5
Only though there weren't many, Flair For The Gold's didn't have a great way of debuting wrestling. First Roma, then Shockmaster. At least Fred embraces the gimmick better than some guys who didn't want to be associated with certain gimmicks (Shane/Dean Douglas and Jim Neidhart as Who).
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Post by XaviersSS2015hair on Mar 30, 2020 15:44:07 GMT -5
This was Dusty getting his "relative" over as best as he could. The Shockmaster debut was such a joke, they immediately had him dress like a construction worker and talk about how all the noise got him confused and he fell. Then he talked about loving kids, and comics and cartoons like them. Theres an interview with Tony at a diner, and he's eating food on his break from being a construction worker. I actually think that interview is almost as bad as him falling. It felt so fake and forced. No matter how much he won, and no matter how much they played up him being a klutz as a gimmick, crowds were just not into it. So then they said lets do a SUPER Shockmaster and we end the old one. He can even do the Ole voice. This was their last try, probably given one more chance to get Dusty's family person over, and it didn't work. Super Shockmaster was such a one time thing, everyone who watched all WCW at the time, couldn't remember it happening. It totally feels like the Madella Effect. So this was Dusty trying to get a family (although they might not be related) guy over, who had been a tag champion in WWF, and they probably signed him to at least 4 months. It started bad, and the investment never worked out. I dont think this is a "WCW sucked" thing, this was a "Dusty should have stopped creating sports entertainment characters after 1988". But years later it found a second life as the worst thing ever, bigger then Tugboat/Typhoon. But it killed Ottman's career at the time. I still dont know why they just didnt call him US Steel, like he did for Dusty in Florida, and made him a patriotic fat guy who did steel work. It's probably a better tale of why 60 year olds shouldnt be head bookers. I was with you on everything until your last sentence. Dusty was only 47 at the time. That's younger than current NXT head booker, HHH.
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Post by toodarkmark on Mar 30, 2020 20:26:44 GMT -5
This was Dusty getting his "relative" over as best as he could. The Shockmaster debut was such a joke, they immediately had him dress like a construction worker and talk about how all the noise got him confused and he fell. Then he talked about loving kids, and comics and cartoons like them. Theres an interview with Tony at a diner, and he's eating food on his break from being a construction worker. I actually think that interview is almost as bad as him falling. It felt so fake and forced. No matter how much he won, and no matter how much they played up him being a klutz as a gimmick, crowds were just not into it. So then they said lets do a SUPER Shockmaster and we end the old one. He can even do the Ole voice. This was their last try, probably given one more chance to get Dusty's family person over, and it didn't work. Super Shockmaster was such a one time thing, everyone who watched all WCW at the time, couldn't remember it happening. It totally feels like the Madella Effect. So this was Dusty trying to get a family (although they might not be related) guy over, who had been a tag champion in WWF, and they probably signed him to at least 4 months. It started bad, and the investment never worked out. I dont think this is a "WCW sucked" thing, this was a "Dusty should have stopped creating sports entertainment characters after 1988". But years later it found a second life as the worst thing ever, bigger then Tugboat/Typhoon. But it killed Ottman's career at the time. I still dont know why they just didnt call him US Steel, like he did for Dusty in Florida, and made him a patriotic fat guy who did steel work. It's probably a better tale of why 60 year olds shouldnt be head bookers. I was with you on everything until your last sentence. Dusty was only 47 at the time. That's younger than current NXT head booker, HHH. I knew I should have looked that up and not just went by my faulty memory. Also, him being 47 in 1993 blows my mind. So, let's say that maybe once someone gets fired a few times from booking, maybe they should just be a consultant. I loved 83-87, by 88 he was out of hot ideas, and by 1991 it was just baddddddd. 1993 I dont even know. That was a committee anyways, I think. Under Bishoff. It was a Dusty idea right? I seem to remember a video in the 2000s that WWE put out that he was talking about putting it together.
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Post by XaviersSS2015hair on Mar 30, 2020 22:00:48 GMT -5
I was with you on everything until your last sentence. Dusty was only 47 at the time. That's younger than current NXT head booker, HHH. I knew I should have looked that up and not just went by my faulty memory. Also, him being 47 in 1993 blows my mind. So, let's say that maybe once someone gets fired a few times from booking, maybe they should just be a consultant. I loved 83-87, by 88 he was out of hot ideas, and by 1991 it was just baddddddd. 1993 I dont even know. That was a committee anyways, I think. Under Bishoff. It was a Dusty idea right? I seem to remember a video in the 2000s that WWE put out that he was talking about putting it together. I was blown away by that too. Dusty retired very young by today's standards. With the much safer style they wrestled in his day I'm surprised he retired so early. It was a Dusty idea. He went into detail on the Legends of Wrestling which is currently on the Network and previously aired on WWE 24/7. Bookers definitely get burned out and should be rotated semi frequently. I also agree that someone with a proven track record should be kept on as a consultant.
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