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Post by Deleted on Mar 28, 2020 13:32:52 GMT -5
My favorite thing on this was the demolition story.
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Post by B-RadimusPrime on Mar 28, 2020 15:54:12 GMT -5
I can’t wait to hear the Revival on Talk is Jericho when/if they finally leave.
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Post by y4j1981 on Mar 28, 2020 16:45:57 GMT -5
Bad Cow needs to be the opposite of Good Shit. Also Rowan sounds like a really awesome guy. Besides the Demolition stuff, what else does he say about Rowan?
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Post by Laces on Mar 28, 2020 17:26:26 GMT -5
Bad Cow needs to be the opposite of Good Shit. Also Rowan sounds like a really awesome guy. Besides the Demolition stuff, what else does he say about Rowan? That in the beginning he hated him and hated rooming with him because Rowan apparently snores like a woodchipper.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 29, 2020 2:47:37 GMT -5
Wow,the fact that the Bray-Orton History has no intentions of getting Luke Harper over nor did they expect it would lead to ,is crazy. WWE just accidentally gets people over and then buries then over and over. There was absolutely no excuse for WWE to not make Harper a main eventer after that feud. Hell, I'd say the match at Mania should've been a triple threat. But nah, we had to get some overproduced garbage like an LED ring showing maggets and shit. Because Kevin Dunn.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 29, 2020 3:23:32 GMT -5
That collector gimmick sounds interesting. It’s crazy that Vince doesn’t let these guys do any of the ideas they pitch. Not much is working nowadays why not let them try something else?
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Post by Mozenrath on Mar 29, 2020 3:33:03 GMT -5
That collector gimmick sounds interesting. It’s crazy that Vince doesn’t let these guys do any of the ideas they pitch. Not much is working nowadays why not let them try something else? I am kind of surprised Jericho resisted bringing up that he had a collector gimmick in WCW at one point, carrying Juventud Guerrera's mask, Prince Iaukea's sarong, and some others, but I mean, that was obviously more comical.
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Post by ThankGodForSidJustice on Mar 29, 2020 3:57:14 GMT -5
Bad Cow needs to be the opposite of Good Shit. Also Rowan sounds like a really awesome guy. Listening to this interview and how Harper and Jericho paint him makes me feel sorry for Rowan. Nice guy and a company man who wrestled a whole match with a torn bicep for them and in return just gets crapped on, constantly getting the rug pulled out from under him with pushes and frequently made to look like a big loser (Rock beating him in record time, Brock tossing immediately in the Rumble instantly killing his most recent push, having his whole mystery cage angle blown off in the dumbest possible after months of build).
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Post by HMARK Center on Mar 29, 2020 15:59:51 GMT -5
Just listened to the interview, and there's one big thing that sticks out to me: people in WWE were telling Brodie that they'd set him up for a run in NJPW while he was still technically under WWE contract? The hell's that all about?
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Post by Cyno on Mar 29, 2020 16:20:56 GMT -5
It really sounds like outside of very few exceptions (and even then it takes a ridiculous amount of persistence and connections), that the only way to really enjoy working in WWE is to be a complete mercenary about it. If you care about the actual craft of wrestling, especially for anything creative, you'll be completely miserable there.
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Post by evilhomer on Mar 29, 2020 17:14:54 GMT -5
Wow,the fact that the Bray-Orton History has no intentions of getting Luke Harper over nor did they expect it would lead to ,is crazy. WWE just accidentally gets people over and then buries then over and over. You're going to get over the way WE say or not at all pal!
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Post by Tenshigure on Mar 29, 2020 19:02:38 GMT -5
Wow,the fact that the Bray-Orton History has no intentions of getting Luke Harper over nor did they expect it would lead to ,is crazy. WWE just accidentally gets people over and then buries then over and over. There was absolutely no excuse for WWE to not make Harper a main eventer after that feud. Hell, I'd say the match at Mania should've been a triple threat. But nah, we had to get some overproduced garbage like an LED ring showing maggets and shit. Because Kevin Dunn. One could argue at bare minimum he should've been in the upper midcard similar to Baron Corbin, really. Maybe not always at the top, but he could've been great in that role. I'm sure we will see exactly that in AEW for him once the Dark Order has its time to shine.
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Post by HMARK Center on Mar 30, 2020 7:06:15 GMT -5
It really sounds like outside of very few exceptions (and even then it takes a ridiculous amount of persistence and connections), that the only way to really enjoy working in WWE is to be a complete mercenary about it. If you care about the actual craft of wrestling, especially for anything creative, you'll be completely miserable there. Got a minor version of that vibe when I heard the Talkin' Shop reunion podcast this week with Rocky Romero and the OC (just Gallows and Anderson). It was nice to hear all the Hoots together again, but when the OC would discuss their work lives since signing with WWE they seemed to focus almost exclusively on the nicer houses they were able to buy with their bumps in pay, even at one point joking around how their current run, in terms of getting fan recognition and success, "wasn't going so hot". It's not like I can blame the guys, either; they were both making good money in Bullet Club, but to do that they both had to fly to Japan on a very, very regular basis, then hustle like hell on weekends when they got home, working a lot of indies, working ROH dates, even doing that Global Force Wrestling taping Jarrett did, etc., and I can imagine that being a massive grind. WWE's not easy, either, of course, but they instantly popped in there making half a million a year each, if reports were to be believed, and while WWE's schedule can be insane it's not the same thing as being in charge of your own grind like they had before. They didn't talk about it on the podcast, but then there was the whole "they're definitely leaving" thing that popped up last year, only for them to re-sign because, again if reports are to be believed, they both got fifty percent raises to do absolutely nothing different. Gallows just remarried, Anderson's got a family...I mean, how do you fault someone for taking that deal, even when the extent of their presence on TV has become "jobber team afterthought there to eat signature spots to protect AJ"? As fans it sucks to see, but a living is a living, and this is the type of money where you can earn it for a few years and have your family pretty much set for life if you handle, save, and invest it well.
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Post by kingoftheindies on Mar 30, 2020 15:28:57 GMT -5
It really sounds like outside of very few exceptions (and even then it takes a ridiculous amount of persistence and connections), that the only way to really enjoy working in WWE is to be a complete mercenary about it. If you care about the actual craft of wrestling, especially for anything creative, you'll be completely miserable there. Got a minor version of that vibe when I heard the Talkin' Shop reunion podcast this week with Rocky Romero and the OC (just Gallows and Anderson). It was nice to hear all the Hoots together again, but when the OC would discuss their work lives since signing with WWE they seemed to focus almost exclusively on the nicer houses they were able to buy with their bumps in pay, even at one point joking around how their current run, in terms of getting fan recognition and success, "wasn't going so hot". It's not like I can blame the guys, either; they were both making good money in Bullet Club, but to do that they both had to fly to Japan on a very, very regular basis, then hustle like hell on weekends when they got home, working a lot of indies, working ROH dates, even doing that Global Force Wrestling taping Jarrett did, etc., and I can imagine that being a massive grind. WWE's not easy, either, of course, but they instantly popped in there making half a million a year each, if reports were to be believed, and while WWE's schedule can be insane it's not the same thing as being in charge of your own grind like they had before. They didn't talk about it on the podcast, but then there was the whole "they're definitely leaving" thing that popped up last year, only for them to re-sign because, again if reports are to be believed, they both got fifty percent raises to do absolutely nothing different. Gallows just remarried, Anderson's got a family...I mean, how do you fault someone for taking that deal, even when the extent of their presence on TV has become "jobber team afterthought there to eat signature spots to protect AJ"? As fans it sucks to see, but a living is a living, and this is the type of money where you can earn it for a few years and have your family pretty much set for life if you handle, save, and invest it well. I think it also depends on the person. For Gallows and Anderson they came to WWE for a last big pay day and to be in the US their creativity was in Japan. Same with guys like Nakamura, Styles, and Devitt. To them it's about making money. For guys like Mox and Brodie? They signed before the indies exploded. They didn't get to have all that freedom
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Post by Dub H on Mar 30, 2020 16:38:35 GMT -5
Got a minor version of that vibe when I heard the Talkin' Shop reunion podcast this week with Rocky Romero and the OC (just Gallows and Anderson). It was nice to hear all the Hoots together again, but when the OC would discuss their work lives since signing with WWE they seemed to focus almost exclusively on the nicer houses they were able to buy with their bumps in pay, even at one point joking around how their current run, in terms of getting fan recognition and success, "wasn't going so hot". It's not like I can blame the guys, either; they were both making good money in Bullet Club, but to do that they both had to fly to Japan on a very, very regular basis, then hustle like hell on weekends when they got home, working a lot of indies, working ROH dates, even doing that Global Force Wrestling taping Jarrett did, etc., and I can imagine that being a massive grind. WWE's not easy, either, of course, but they instantly popped in there making half a million a year each, if reports were to be believed, and while WWE's schedule can be insane it's not the same thing as being in charge of your own grind like they had before. They didn't talk about it on the podcast, but then there was the whole "they're definitely leaving" thing that popped up last year, only for them to re-sign because, again if reports are to be believed, they both got fifty percent raises to do absolutely nothing different. Gallows just remarried, Anderson's got a family...I mean, how do you fault someone for taking that deal, even when the extent of their presence on TV has become "jobber team afterthought there to eat signature spots to protect AJ"? As fans it sucks to see, but a living is a living, and this is the type of money where you can earn it for a few years and have your family pretty much set for life if you handle, save, and invest it well. I think it also depends on the person. For Gallows and Anderson they came to WWE for a last big pay day and to be in the US their creativity was in Japan. Same with guys like Nakamura, Styles, and Devitt. To them it's about making money. For guys like Mox and Brodie? They signed before the indies exploded. They didn't get to have all that freedom Plus ,before WWE All those guys were centerpieces of NJPW two biggest factions.You can say "Yeh I left my mark in Wrestling Story,I have nothing to prove,I can just ride the wave now". Kinda like Kenny said he wanna focus on the future talents,I mean of course,Kenny already made his mark as one of this generation's greatest
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Post by eJm on Mar 30, 2020 16:45:41 GMT -5
Got a minor version of that vibe when I heard the Talkin' Shop reunion podcast this week with Rocky Romero and the OC (just Gallows and Anderson). It was nice to hear all the Hoots together again, but when the OC would discuss their work lives since signing with WWE they seemed to focus almost exclusively on the nicer houses they were able to buy with their bumps in pay, even at one point joking around how their current run, in terms of getting fan recognition and success, "wasn't going so hot". It's not like I can blame the guys, either; they were both making good money in Bullet Club, but to do that they both had to fly to Japan on a very, very regular basis, then hustle like hell on weekends when they got home, working a lot of indies, working ROH dates, even doing that Global Force Wrestling taping Jarrett did, etc., and I can imagine that being a massive grind. WWE's not easy, either, of course, but they instantly popped in there making half a million a year each, if reports were to be believed, and while WWE's schedule can be insane it's not the same thing as being in charge of your own grind like they had before. They didn't talk about it on the podcast, but then there was the whole "they're definitely leaving" thing that popped up last year, only for them to re-sign because, again if reports are to be believed, they both got fifty percent raises to do absolutely nothing different. Gallows just remarried, Anderson's got a family...I mean, how do you fault someone for taking that deal, even when the extent of their presence on TV has become "jobber team afterthought there to eat signature spots to protect AJ"? As fans it sucks to see, but a living is a living, and this is the type of money where you can earn it for a few years and have your family pretty much set for life if you handle, save, and invest it well. I think it also depends on the person. For Gallows and Anderson they came to WWE for a last big pay day and to be in the US their creativity was in Japan. Same with guys like Nakamura, Styles, and Devitt. To them it's about making money. For guys like Mox and Brodie? They signed before the indies exploded. They didn't get to have all that freedom Yeah, considering the careers a lot of them had (Styles being one where he was treated like dirt, had the renaissance to end all renaissances and ended up headlining PPVs for the biggest wrestling company in the world), I don’t judge them for taking the money they were offered. Now, them offering them a tonne of money and nothing changes because of it makes me more question the logic of the financial department. Which is why I presume there aren’t co-presidents anymore.
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Post by Mozenrath on Mar 30, 2020 19:32:51 GMT -5
It really sounds like outside of very few exceptions (and even then it takes a ridiculous amount of persistence and connections), that the only way to really enjoy working in WWE is to be a complete mercenary about it. If you care about the actual craft of wrestling, especially for anything creative, you'll be completely miserable there. Got a minor version of that vibe when I heard the Talkin' Shop reunion podcast this week with Rocky Romero and the OC (just Gallows and Anderson). It was nice to hear all the Hoots together again, but when the OC would discuss their work lives since signing with WWE they seemed to focus almost exclusively on the nicer houses they were able to buy with their bumps in pay, even at one point joking around how their current run, in terms of getting fan recognition and success, "wasn't going so hot". It's not like I can blame the guys, either; they were both making good money in Bullet Club, but to do that they both had to fly to Japan on a very, very regular basis, then hustle like hell on weekends when they got home, working a lot of indies, working ROH dates, even doing that Global Force Wrestling taping Jarrett did, etc., and I can imagine that being a massive grind. WWE's not easy, either, of course, but they instantly popped in there making half a million a year each, if reports were to be believed, and while WWE's schedule can be insane it's not the same thing as being in charge of your own grind like they had before. They didn't talk about it on the podcast, but then there was the whole "they're definitely leaving" thing that popped up last year, only for them to re-sign because, again if reports are to be believed, they both got fifty percent raises to do absolutely nothing different. Gallows just remarried, Anderson's got a family...I mean, how do you fault someone for taking that deal, even when the extent of their presence on TV has become "jobber team afterthought there to eat signature spots to protect AJ"? As fans it sucks to see, but a living is a living, and this is the type of money where you can earn it for a few years and have your family pretty much set for life if you handle, save, and invest it well. I don't blame either guy. I also know that the Bucks have said that Anderson and Gallows would end up drinking just about every night they were in Japan, so in addition to other factors, they were probably just getting too old to live like that anymore.
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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on Mar 31, 2020 6:25:14 GMT -5
Just listened to the interview, and there's one big thing that sticks out to me: people in WWE were telling Brodie that they'd set him up for a run in NJPW while he was still technically under WWE contract? The hell's that all about? That bit sounded like HHH wanted something like that to happen, maybe some sort of talent partnership or some other thing, or some other promotional tactic, but he will never be allowed to do that as long as Vince is alive, especially after it effectively lost them Chris Jericho.
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Post by HMARK Center on Mar 31, 2020 13:31:24 GMT -5
Just listened to the interview, and there's one big thing that sticks out to me: people in WWE were telling Brodie that they'd set him up for a run in NJPW while he was still technically under WWE contract? The hell's that all about? That bit sounded like HHH wanted something like that to happen, maybe some sort of talent partnership or some other thing, or some other promotional tactic, but he will never be allowed to do that as long as Vince is alive, especially after it effectively lost them Chris Jericho. Not for nothing, but I don't think it's happening so long as current NJPW management is in place, either; they haven't come across as particularly happy with WWE for awhile now, given how aggressive WWE's been in buying up international talent.
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Post by Celgress on Mar 31, 2020 14:07:02 GMT -5
Everyone who leaves WWE says they were miserable, that's really not a coincidence at this point. I know when I watched the E exclusively (after TNA's finale collapse c.2013), a few years ago, I was miserable so why not the talent who worked there?
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