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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on Mar 28, 2020 2:04:55 GMT -5
This ain't news, we've all been knowing this
This company won't even see a fraction of improvement until he's no longer in power, which is unfortunately going to be when he dies, because he will never leave willingly and it's showing more and more how much of a liability he is, he doesn't not only get wrestling anymore, business wise he's been pretty terrible too.
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Post by A Platypus Rave on Mar 28, 2020 2:07:13 GMT -5
yeah I don't see how there's much case to be made for it not all being on Vince. Which isn't to say that if someone else was in control that they wouldn't make some of the same mistakes, or that if anyone else is in his place it would be a flawless and perfect situation nobody would ever complain about. But the volume of problems and the things that are all so specifically on Vince and his demands can't be ignored. He's his own company's worst enemy. Yeah, I mean listen to like everyone that left. people cna pitch ideas all they want but Vince will usually shut them down or change his mind within the week. Vince was always the be all and all of the WWE and that did help as unlike WCW there was 1 single solitary person that was THE GUY... but... it's been a detriment recently because Vince stopped listening to other people.
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Post by Shark on Mar 28, 2020 2:26:53 GMT -5
You mean like what you did by straight up missing my point? It won't matter what time or channel or how often Punk is on. He will spike ratings for a week or 2 and then they will bottom out. What time or channel he is on doesn't mean anything. The ratings on FS1 at 11 on a Tuesday night would get the same ratings no matter what is on. They pay millions of dollars for talking heads to (at times) have 0 viewers. Nobody cares about FS1, especially at 11 on a Tuesday People want Punk to talk and wrestle, not just talk. Put him on Raw or Smackdown and it would give them a better chance than what they are getting now. 0 viewers? Well, you've told me all I need to know about you so carry on then.
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Post by paulbearer on Mar 28, 2020 2:38:41 GMT -5
What if Punk did 2-3 matches a yr , sure its not full time but better than nothing
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Post by Jonathan Michaels on Mar 28, 2020 3:28:57 GMT -5
And I guarantee you Hunter was pissed about that. Sting comes back, actually INSISTS on putting Hunter over at Mania, and Vince pulls that? Hunter wouldn’t care for that one bit, he’s tight with Flair, so you know he has a ton of respect for guys like Sting. Kinda makes me feel bad for Steph, honestly, being caught in the middle of those two.
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Post by Ryushinku on Mar 28, 2020 5:05:40 GMT -5
It's really JBL in that match that buries Sting, Cole doesn't. And in real life, JBL has been clearly respectful of Sting, so it doesn't feel like it's personally motivated. And yeah, Hunter very much so as well, actually, due to his love of Flair and old school NWA.
Which makes me wonder if it's Vince in his ear and/or JBL trying to be a dickhead heel commentator as much as he can without knowing that Hunter's going over, so he can act all outraged and disgusted at the end when Sting wins. And then...oh, Hunter just won.
I really don't know. It's pretty much the biggest reason even above the result that I dislike the match as a Sting mark, because it's the Booker T-Hunter thing without the racist aspect - you're lesser than me, everything you've done means nothing, and I just won, proving it.
But, anyway...larger picture? Vince is the boss, same as now as in 2010 as in 2000 as in 1990 as in 1980, uh, 1982 I guess. You want to give blame or you want to give praise, ultimately it goes through that guy, even now.
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Post by Jonathan Michaels on Mar 28, 2020 5:51:58 GMT -5
It's really JBL in that match that buries Sting, Cole doesn't. And in real life, JBL has been clearly respectful of Sting, so it doesn't feel like it's personally motivated. And yeah, Hunter very much so as well, actually, due to his love of Flair and old school NWA. Which makes me wonder if it's Vince in his ear and/or JBL trying to be a dickhead heel commentator as much as he can without knowing that Hunter's going over, so he can act all outraged and disgusted at the end when Sting wins. And then...oh, Hunter just won. I really don't know. It's pretty much the biggest reason even above the result that I dislike the match as a Sting mark, because it's the Booker T-Hunter thing without the racist aspect - you're lesser than me, everything you've done means nothing, and I just won, proving it. But, anyway...larger picture? Vince is the boss, same as now as in 2010 as in 2000 as in 1990 as in 1980, uh, 1982 I guess. You want to give blame or you want to give praise, ultimately it goes through that guy, even now. To be fair, Triple H had to beat SOMEONE at Mania once in a while, as much as he likes to put others over at Mania, if he didn’t win occasionally, it wouldn’t mean as much when they beat him. Look at Mick Foley, at a certain point, putting everyone over eventually made it impossible to put anyone over, I think the only match he won post WM2000 was against Carlito at Taboo Tuesday.
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Post by The Thread Barbi on Mar 28, 2020 6:01:02 GMT -5
What a petty man. I've said before, it's like Disney buying DC from Warner Bros and sending out a steer that in any crossover movies, Superman must not look stronger than Thor, and the audience must be reminded of who won the "war".
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Post by Mozenrath on Mar 28, 2020 6:04:11 GMT -5
Vince is where the buck stops. While I am sure Triple H, Heyman, Prichard, etc, have had bad ideas, too, they still have to deal with him as the final say on most stuff, outside of NXT to an extent.
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Post by Sir Woodrow on Mar 28, 2020 6:39:09 GMT -5
What a petty man. I've said before, it's like Disney buying DC from Warner Bros and sending out a steer that in any crossover movies, Superman must not look stronger than Thor, and the audience must be reminded of who won the "war". If Disney was like Vince it would be Batman getting bitched out by Night Thrasher
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Post by The Dark Order Inferno on Mar 28, 2020 7:15:51 GMT -5
Vince's attitude toward Sting and WCW in general reminds me of the Simpsons episode where Garfunkel, Messina, Oates, and Lisa singing their number two hit, "Born to Runner-up"!
'Why did they come to our concert just to boo?'
Why did he hire guys on big money just to bury them?
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Post by mrtuesday on Mar 28, 2020 8:17:57 GMT -5
First time he was on, huge rating. Second time he was on, not so much. If he was on Smackdown every week, whatever ratings he brings in go away even faster. There is a reason for that. Nobody wants to see CM Punk in the long term to just talk. The first week many thought maybe he would announce he coming back to THE RING and for the fact he was on WWE TV for the first time. Once he didn't do that no returning to the ring, nobody cared. This. Wrestling fans don't want to see CM Punk as a talking head on a wrestling talk show. They want to see CM Punk wrestle on a wrestling show. If that's never going to happen, then fans won't care. And he should have never came back.
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Post by Welfare Willis on Mar 28, 2020 8:30:13 GMT -5
Not really... think of the dumb bastard that gave the greenlight to "CATS".
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Post by I'm Team Bayley and Indi on Mar 28, 2020 8:42:10 GMT -5
Not really... think of the dumb bastard that gave the greenlight to "CATS". a hit stage musical, an all star cast wanting to be involved... just because the finished project was terrible, it's fair to say it was a mistake in insight because a lot of studios would have made that same mistake
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Post by Deleted on Mar 28, 2020 9:41:55 GMT -5
Lol, why did you quote someone's questions and then not answer them at all? You mean like what you did by straight up missing my point? It won't matter what time or channel or how often Punk is on. He will spike ratings for a week or 2 and then they will bottom out. What time or channel he is on doesn't mean anything. You literally just did it again. I did not miss your point. I was not responding to your point whatsoever in either agreement or disagreement.
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Post by nisidhe on Mar 28, 2020 10:10:34 GMT -5
Vince as the sole audience member who matters to creative will be the death of WWE. I think it will also kill NXT's ability to attract talent and to expand into other markets. Who will want to go through the Performance Center knowing that they'll most likely not see a moment of TV time except to count lights against the likes of Baron Corbin or Aleister Black?
Look at the WWE landscape right now. Seth Rollins has managed to screw up a heel turn and pretty much comes out to crickets these days. Becky Lynch is an overpowered champion with no opponents really lined up (and Shayna ain't gonna draw shizz). Roman Reigns and Daniel Bryan are both genuinely over, but both have had health issues and now no longer have Vince's seal of approval (if Bryan ever did.) The bulk of the women's division has been rendered irrelevant. Bray Wyatt is well on his way back to the midcard, this time without either Finn Balor to drag out his demise or Matt Hardy to redeem him. Ricochet's been made an utter chump; the list goes on and on and on ad nauseam.
This is a complete and utter mess that was mercifully scattered on the floor thanks to COVID-19. For almost anyone else, this can be an opportunity to reset things quietly and build up the promotion in ways that will draw the crowds back in and grow the base. However, as long as Vince remains at the helm with no succession plan in place, this could instead be the year WWE effectively dies on its throne. Vince McMahon has become the new Vince Russo.
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Post by RadcapRadsley on Mar 28, 2020 11:23:03 GMT -5
I just want to know who in the company was responsible for Baron Corbin not eating dog food? The entire payoff for that never ending feud was to see a King humbled by eating dog food,not have dog food rubbed in his face.
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Post by A Platypus Rave on Mar 28, 2020 13:21:54 GMT -5
It's really JBL in that match that buries Sting, Cole doesn't. And in real life, JBL has been clearly respectful of Sting, so it doesn't feel like it's personally motivated. And yeah, Hunter very much so as well, actually, due to his love of Flair and old school NWA. Which makes me wonder if it's Vince in his ear and/or JBL trying to be a dickhead heel commentator as much as he can without knowing that Hunter's going over, so he can act all outraged and disgusted at the end when Sting wins. And then...oh, Hunter just won. I really don't know. It's pretty much the biggest reason even above the result that I dislike the match as a Sting mark, because it's the Booker T-Hunter thing without the racist aspect - you're lesser than me, everything you've done means nothing, and I just won, proving it. But, anyway...larger picture? Vince is the boss, same as now as in 2010 as in 2000 as in 1990 as in 1980, uh, 1982 I guess. You want to give blame or you want to give praise, ultimately it goes through that guy, even now. To be fair, Triple H had to beat SOMEONE at Mania once in a while, as much as he likes to put others over at Mania, if he didn’t win occasionally, it wouldn’t mean as much when they beat him. Look at Mick Foley, at a certain point, putting everyone over eventually made it impossible to put anyone over, I think the only match he won post WM2000 was against Carlito at Taboo Tuesday. to the point that everyone was more just left wondering how much shit Carlito was to lose to Mick... what I really didn't like about the Sting vs. Hunter thing... was every promo and even in the vignette before the match... Sting had said "this has nothing to do with WCW. That was 14 years ago." SO the announcers immediately went into Sting is here defending WCW! >_>
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Post by eJm on Mar 28, 2020 17:20:57 GMT -5
what I really didn't like about the Sting vs. Hunter thing... was every promo and even in the vignette before the match... Sting had said "this has nothing to do with WCW. That was 14 years ago” In that same promo after he said that, Steph came out and talked about how WCW tried to run her Dad out of business and it was like “Bitch, didn’t you hear anything that dude actually said just now?! Christ...”
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Post by dirtyoldman on Mar 28, 2020 18:03:28 GMT -5
It's really JBL in that match that buries Sting, Cole doesn't. And in real life, JBL has been clearly respectful of Sting, so it doesn't feel like it's personally motivated. And yeah, Hunter very much so as well, actually, due to his love of Flair and old school NWA. Which makes me wonder if it's Vince in his ear and/or JBL trying to be a dickhead heel commentator as much as he can without knowing that Hunter's going over, so he can act all outraged and disgusted at the end when Sting wins. And then...oh, Hunter just won. I really don't know. It's pretty much the biggest reason even above the result that I dislike the match as a Sting mark, because it's the Booker T-Hunter thing without the racist aspect - you're lesser than me, everything you've done means nothing, and I just won, proving it. But, anyway...larger picture? Vince is the boss, same as now as in 2010 as in 2000 as in 1990 as in 1980, uh, 1982 I guess. You want to give blame or you want to give praise, ultimately it goes through that guy, even now. I remember Cole saying something like 'maybe Sting wasn't that good after all' as the fans were chanting you've still got it. Jbl did say 'we win again' at the end but it's been a long time so I can't remember too good but there seemed a hint of reluctance of him saying it.
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