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Post by mauled on Mar 28, 2020 9:11:30 GMT -5
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Post by cornettesracket on Mar 28, 2020 9:39:07 GMT -5
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Post by Deleted on Mar 28, 2020 9:49:50 GMT -5
I wish there was a follow up question in regards to what it was like to have to be Hogans lackey in WCW.
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Post by mauled on Mar 28, 2020 10:32:29 GMT -5
I wish there was a follow up question in regards to what it was like to have to be Hogans lackey in WCW. That might be a sore spot for Bret
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Post by Clash, Never a Meter Maid on Mar 28, 2020 10:39:35 GMT -5
Yeah, they’ve *never* gotten along. Here’s two superstars with fundamentally different views of what good main event wrestling is, and they both wanted to be the top attraction in an era where the manner in which you got that honor was way more cutthroat.
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Post by mauled on Mar 28, 2020 12:56:19 GMT -5
Yeah, they’ve *never* gotten along. Here’s two superstars with fundamentally different views of what good main event wrestling is, and they both wanted to be the top attraction in an era where the manner in which you got that honor was way more cutthroat. Bret thinks Hogan had him buried in WCW which given what happened to him there, true or not you can understand him thinking that.
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Post by The Dark Order Inferno on Mar 28, 2020 13:05:06 GMT -5
Bret is always so honest and blunt, he will speak his mind no matter what at this point and can't be swayed by bags of money.
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Post by flakeymcgill on Mar 28, 2020 13:05:17 GMT -5
Never understood the logic that Hogan refusing to put Bret over at KOTR meant somehow Bret was kept out of the title picture for the net 7 months. Genuinely does seem like one of those occasions where Vince is playing one guy off against the other.
"So Hogan's now gone Vince, presumably as you wanted him to put me over I'm facing Yoko at Summerslam!"
The narrative doesn't stand up to any kind of scrutiny. Such as Vince booking the USS Intrepid on America's birthday and TV to celebrate the victory of Canadian Bret Hart.
It also doesn't stand up that Vince would have moved his big monster heel down the card so quickly. It really does reek of something Vince told Bret to avoid telling him he wanted to go in a different direction. Else why would SS93 not have been Yoko vs Bret?
Plan A: Hogan Plan B: Create Hogan clone
Which is exactly what happened. I'm sorry Bret has to be a huge mark for himself if he believes that Vince wanted him to go over but his hands were tied for Hogan's creative control
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Post by Deleted on Mar 28, 2020 13:31:55 GMT -5
Without watching one second I just know it's 4/10 boners. (I'm watching it now and still undecided.)
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Post by mauled on Mar 28, 2020 13:35:52 GMT -5
Never understood the logic that Hogan refusing to put Bret over at KOTR meant somehow Bret was kept out of the title picture for the net 7 months. Genuinely does seem like one of those occasions where Vince is playing one guy off against the other. "So Hogan's now gone Vince, presumably as you wanted him to put me over I'm facing Yoko at Summerslam!" The narrative doesn't stand up to any kind of scrutiny. Such as Vince booking the USS Intrepid on America's birthday and TV to celebrate the victory of Canadian Bret Hart. It also doesn't stand up that Vince would have moved his big monster heel down the card so quickly. It really does reek of something Vince told Bret to avoid telling him he wanted to go in a different direction. Else why would SS93 not have been Yoko vs Bret? Plan A: Hogan Plan B: Create Hogan clone Which is exactly what happened. I'm sorry Bret has to be a huge mark for himself if he believes that Vince wanted him to go over but his hands were tied for Hogan's creative control This completely ignores Brets treatment in WCW
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Post by flakeymcgill on Mar 28, 2020 13:44:10 GMT -5
‘Vince said he’d have one more meeting with Hogan to try to sell him on it, but if he didn’t go for it, I’d work with Lawler at SummerSlam instead.’ If you wanted Hogan to put over Bret for the title at Summerslam in August but he refused and left in June, why not do Yoko vs Bret? The narrative that Bret had to feud with Lawler instead because of some kind of cosmic aftershocks of Hogan's creative control forcing Vince to put Bret in a feud with a guy the WWE audience knew as a commentator, definitely doesn't ring true.
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Post by flakeymcgill on Mar 28, 2020 13:46:30 GMT -5
Never understood the logic that Hogan refusing to put Bret over at KOTR meant somehow Bret was kept out of the title picture for the net 7 months. Genuinely does seem like one of those occasions where Vince is playing one guy off against the other. "So Hogan's now gone Vince, presumably as you wanted him to put me over I'm facing Yoko at Summerslam!" The narrative doesn't stand up to any kind of scrutiny. Such as Vince booking the USS Intrepid on America's birthday and TV to celebrate the victory of Canadian Bret Hart. It also doesn't stand up that Vince would have moved his big monster heel down the card so quickly. It really does reek of something Vince told Bret to avoid telling him he wanted to go in a different direction. Else why would SS93 not have been Yoko vs Bret? Plan A: Hogan Plan B: Create Hogan clone Which is exactly what happened. I'm sorry Bret has to be a huge mark for himself if he believes that Vince wanted him to go over but his hands were tied for Hogan's creative control This completely ignores Brets treatment in WCW WCW was creative and administrative mess from top to bottom, it wasn't special treatment reserved for Bret Hart. It's a dime-a-dozen "I was supposed to go over" story of which there's at last 12 in any shoot interview video that lasts longer than 20 minutes and the shocking revelation that WCW managed a situation poorly.
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Post by Viking Hall on Mar 28, 2020 13:53:41 GMT -5
Never understood the logic that Hogan refusing to put Bret over at KOTR meant somehow Bret was kept out of the title picture for the net 7 months. Genuinely does seem like one of those occasions where Vince is playing one guy off against the other. "So Hogan's now gone Vince, presumably as you wanted him to put me over I'm facing Yoko at Summerslam!" The narrative doesn't stand up to any kind of scrutiny. Such as Vince booking the USS Intrepid on America's birthday and TV to celebrate the victory of Canadian Bret Hart. It also doesn't stand up that Vince would have moved his big monster heel down the card so quickly. It really does reek of something Vince told Bret to avoid telling him he wanted to go in a different direction. Else why would SS93 not have been Yoko vs Bret? Plan A: Hogan Plan B: Create Hogan clone Which is exactly what happened. I'm sorry Bret has to be a huge mark for himself if he believes that Vince wanted him to go over but his hands were tied for Hogan's creative control This completely ignores Brets treatment in WCW It does and it doesn't. Bret was a main eventer in the WWF due to circumstance rather than because he had the tools to be the face of the company like a Hogan for example. I mean, even when he was in the main event slots, Vince was constantly trying to create new stars rather than running with Bret long term. So when he arrived in WCW and they already had many stars who were bigger names than him it makes sense that they didn't run with him as their number one star because he simply wasn't on the level of the wrestlers they had already acquired in terms of marketability. Bret was a fantastic wrestler, a workhorse and the kind of guy every wrestling company needs to make their stars look like a million dollars, but in terms of being 'the star' he couldn't touch Hogan.
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Post by flakeymcgill on Mar 28, 2020 14:04:14 GMT -5
This completely ignores Brets treatment in WCW It does and it doesn't. Bret was a main eventer in the WWF due to circumstance rather than because he had the tools to be the face of the company like a Hogan for example. I mean, even when he was in the main event slots, Vince was constantly trying to create new stars rather than running with Bret long term. So when he arrived in WCW and they already had many stars who were bigger names than him it makes sense that they didn't run with him as their number one star because he simply wasn't on the level of the wrestlers they had already acquired in terms of marketability. Bret was a fantastic wrestler, a workhorse and the kind of guy every wrestling company needs to make their stars look like a million dollars, but in terms of being 'the star' he couldn't touch Hogan. I definitely believe WCW dropped the ball with Bret. By 1997/98 he was definitely on main event-standing and on a more equal footing with Hogan than he was when the two were at Titan together.
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Post by The Dark Order Inferno on Mar 28, 2020 14:23:15 GMT -5
Never understood the logic that Hogan refusing to put Bret over at KOTR meant somehow Bret was kept out of the title picture for the net 7 months. Genuinely does seem like one of those occasions where Vince is playing one guy off against the other. "So Hogan's now gone Vince, presumably as you wanted him to put me over I'm facing Yoko at Summerslam!" The narrative doesn't stand up to any kind of scrutiny. Such as Vince booking the USS Intrepid on America's birthday and TV to celebrate the victory of Canadian Bret Hart. It also doesn't stand up that Vince would have moved his big monster heel down the card so quickly. It really does reek of something Vince told Bret to avoid telling him he wanted to go in a different direction. Else why would SS93 not have been Yoko vs Bret? Plan A: Hogan Plan B: Create Hogan clone Which is exactly what happened. I'm sorry Bret has to be a huge mark for himself if he believes that Vince wanted him to go over but his hands were tied for Hogan's creative control Everyone who has ever held a world title in wrestling is a mark for themselves, that is such an absurd thing to bring up as a criticism. If you don't believe you do good work and deserve success you don't last. Vince lies to talent continually, telling them they're going to get a huge push over established stars, he did it before Bret, he did it to Bret and he did it after Bret, and everyone believes him until he screws them, which he almost always does unless they leave on top.
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Post by mauled on Mar 28, 2020 14:42:03 GMT -5
This completely ignores Brets treatment in WCW It does and it doesn't. Bret was a main eventer in the WWF due to circumstance rather than because he had the tools to be the face of the company like a Hogan for example. I mean, even when he was in the main event slots, Vince was constantly trying to create new stars rather than running with Bret long term. So when he arrived in WCW and they already had many stars who were bigger names than him it makes sense that they didn't run with him as their number one star because he simply wasn't on the level of the wrestlers they had already acquired in terms of marketability. Bret was a fantastic wrestler, a workhorse and the kind of guy every wrestling company needs to make their stars look like a million dollars, but in terms of being 'the star' he couldn't touch Hogan. Bret was huge overseas outside the US. It's why Vince always had him headline foreign tours even when he wasn't champion. He'd just come off one of the most famous wrestling feuds of all time USA v Canada and then off the Montreal Screwjob. He was the most talked about name in the business at the time he moved over. He was huge and a top guy. The idea he was less over than guys like Lex/Savage or Nash is crazy.
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Post by mauled on Mar 28, 2020 14:44:19 GMT -5
It does and it doesn't. Bret was a main eventer in the WWF due to circumstance rather than because he had the tools to be the face of the company like a Hogan for example. I mean, even when he was in the main event slots, Vince was constantly trying to create new stars rather than running with Bret long term. So when he arrived in WCW and they already had many stars who were bigger names than him it makes sense that they didn't run with him as their number one star because he simply wasn't on the level of the wrestlers they had already acquired in terms of marketability. Bret was a fantastic wrestler, a workhorse and the kind of guy every wrestling company needs to make their stars look like a million dollars, but in terms of being 'the star' he couldn't touch Hogan. I definitely believe WCW dropped the ball with Bret. By 1997/98 he was definitely on main event-standing and on a more equal footing with Hogan than he was when the two were at Titan together. Meltzer says there was originally meant to be a Bret/Hogan feud with them doing House shows in Canada helping WCW break into the Canadian market. He also said that it was Hogan who put the breaks on that.
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Post by romanstylesiii on Mar 28, 2020 15:17:50 GMT -5
Just for ONCE, can Bret speak his mind
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Post by James Fabiano on Mar 28, 2020 15:22:23 GMT -5
So how many out of 10?
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Post by corndog on Mar 28, 2020 15:24:55 GMT -5
Stuff like this makes me miss Bret's short lived podcast. Of course he stopped doing it because he was hurting too many feelings, but it also showed his dry sense of humor that doesn't come across in interviews since he is usually very serious.
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