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Post by The Ichi on Mar 28, 2020 15:52:04 GMT -5
If he really wasn't holding back he would have added racist.
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Post by Cranjis McBasketball on Mar 28, 2020 16:03:38 GMT -5
If he really wasn't holding back he would have added racist. I saw Bret at a Q&A about a week or less after the Hogan stuff went down and someone asked him about it. He said Hogan didn’t stand out as racist but being Canadian and with a different culture, the entire locker rooms language was pretty appalling. |
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Post by Bub (BLM) on Mar 28, 2020 17:30:41 GMT -5
I know Bret rubs a lot of folks the wrong way, but I appreciate his lack of filter. One of my biggest pet peeves in life are people who talk out of both sides of their face.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 28, 2020 17:32:44 GMT -5
I love Bret.
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Post by Cranjis McBasketball on Mar 28, 2020 17:35:42 GMT -5
I know Bret rubs a lot of folks the wrong way, but I appreciate his lack of filter. One of my biggest pet peeves in life are people who talk out of both sides of their face. And his stories don’t change. Was he supposed to beat Hogan at SummerSlam 93? I dunno. But his story has never changed on that. Same as every other story he’s forced to tell all the time. It’s the same story every time. |
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Post by clodhopper on Mar 28, 2020 19:05:50 GMT -5
Cranky old Bret Hart is brilliant.
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Post by TOK Hehe'd Around & Found Out on Mar 28, 2020 21:01:33 GMT -5
I definitely believe WCW dropped the ball with Bret. By 1997/98 he was definitely on main event-standing and on a more equal footing with Hogan than he was when the two were at Titan together. Meltzer says there was originally meant to be a Bret/Hogan feud with them doing House shows in Canada helping WCW break into the Canadian market. He also said that it was Hogan who put the breaks on that. Most of the time I can understand Hogan being selfish with his creative control because it would have limited his drawing power, but this is literally setting Scrooge McDuck's vault on fire because he would have had to lose at play fighting. |
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Post by adamclark52 on Mar 28, 2020 21:41:47 GMT -5
Who does Bret Hart like?
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Post by Deleted on Mar 28, 2020 22:15:28 GMT -5
Everything we know about Vince now, there’s no doubt in my mind that Vince played Bret in 1993. I’m more convinced of it now than before.
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Post by Tiger Millionaire on Mar 28, 2020 22:59:37 GMT -5
Austin, Piper, Foley off the top of my head. |
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Post by Mozenrath on Mar 28, 2020 23:42:57 GMT -5
Austin, Piper, Foley off the top of my head. Definitely. He seems to like a lot of the new folk, too, though he's kind of gone back and forth on Seth, finding him impressive but sometimes reckless, though he did also apologize when he felt he'd been too hard on him. |
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Post by Ganon83 on Mar 29, 2020 0:06:01 GMT -5
Business was in the shits without Hogan around, who only worked one match, a tune-up house show match in March of 1993, from Mania VIII to Mania IX. So Vince freaked out and went back to his big strong man philosophy instead of sticking with Bret on top.
I don't think a match between Bret and Hogan would have ever happened in spite of what Bret was told/believed just because who would have been the heel? In a time period where main eventing a PPV was a huge deal due to how few of them there still were in a year, you're going to have a face versus face match? Which would end with Hogan putting Bret "over" in the same BS way he put Warrior and Rock over where Hogan came out looking better than his opponent? And the entire fan base would have booed Bret out the building because no matter how great Bret was, he didn't have the in-ring charisma and aura that even 1993 Hogan still had.
I think Vince knew Hogan was leaving, quite possibly to end up with Turner eventually. Pinning Hogan as the reason Bret didn't go over him at Summerslam cleared the way for Vince to go with Luger over Bret while being able to keep Bret happy and under contract. Idea would be if worst case scenario happened and Turner signed Hogan, Vince could at least place the bug in Bret's brain of "Why go there? They signed the man who killed the best chance you ever had at becoming a mega star in this business, you think he won't do the same again?"
Obviously he wasn't counting on Bret catching fire in winter of '94 and taking that next step into becoming a big enough star to where Bret wasn't concerned with being bogged down "again" by Hogan in WCW. Which left him susceptible to... being bogged down by Hogan in WCW.
As insane and stubborn as Vince was and is, sometimes he's absolutely right on the money. Like when he straight up told Bret at one point that they wouldn't know how to use him down in Atlanta... guess what ended up happening. At least Bret made a lot of money those three years.
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Post by y4j1981 on Mar 29, 2020 0:17:10 GMT -5
Austin, Piper, Foley off the top of my head. Seen some vids where he puts over AJ Styles a lot |
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Post by mauled on Mar 29, 2020 1:25:12 GMT -5
Austin, Piper, Foley off the top of my head. Add the Rock to that list. In his book he says in 97 Hunter (who was on the Booking committee)and Shawn hated the Rock wanted the Rock to lose in a match to Bret but Bret said no. He also says when he was visiting Owen at the WWF in 98, the Rock came up to him and asked him to come back. That Shawn was only doing a commissioner role and that he, Austin and Taker were running things there now. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 29, 2020 2:46:22 GMT -5
This further solidified Bret as my goat.
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Post by flakeymcgill on Mar 29, 2020 3:07:40 GMT -5
Ultimately Bret is bitter that no matter how hard he worked, Vince was always looking to move on from him. Hogan, Luger, Diesel, Michaels...
As a singles wrestler from 1991 - 1997 his had zero personality, his promos may well have been a shot of a life-size cardboard cut out with audio of him saying "I am the excellence of execution" dubbed in. The only time Bret actually became a character of interest when he could do his 'Grumpy old man' shtick in the months before he departed. Like most wrestlers he didn't really come into his own until he was allowed to play a ramped-up version of himself on screen.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 29, 2020 3:45:23 GMT -5
Austin, Piper, Foley off the top of my head. Also, Bret Hart. |
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Post by Mozenrath on Mar 29, 2020 3:59:08 GMT -5
Austin, Piper, Foley off the top of my head. Add the Rock to that list. In his book he says in 97 Hunter (who was on the Booking committee)and Shawn hated the Rock wanted the Rock to lose in a match to Bret but Bret said no. He also says when he was visiting Owen at the WWF in 98, the Rock came up to him and asked him to come back. That Shawn was only doing a commissioner role and that he, Austin and Taker were running things there now. Yep. Shawn had wanted Bret to beat Rock because it'd mean Hart would be IC champion and out of the world title scene, and Rocky would be undermined, which would make him less likely to be a threat to Triple H's rise, plus Shawn pegged Rocky as a Bret guy. Rock supposedly almost came to blows with Shawn while in his teens, anyway, due to Shawn being a snotty shit towards Rock's grandma. Going by some of the rumors of Lia Maivia's political power in wrestling, Shawn would have probably gotten off easy with a teen Rocky kicking the shit out of him, but lucky for Shawn, people defused the situation. |
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Post by mauled on Mar 29, 2020 5:56:54 GMT -5
Ultimately Bret is bitter that no matter how hard he worked, Vince was always looking to move on from him. Hogan, Luger, Diesel, Michaels... As a singles wrestler from 1991 - 1997 his had zero personality, his promos may well have been a shot of a life-size cardboard cut out with audio of him saying "I am the excellence of execution" dubbed in. The only time Bret actually became a character of interest when he could do his 'Grumpy old man' shtick in the months before he departed. Like most wrestlers he didn't really come into his own until he was allowed to play a ramped-up version of himself on screen. Yet Vince kept failing with those guys and he kept going back to Bret. What does that say ? Bret did some good promos. Just watch his stuff with Austin and during the USA/Canada feud. It's just his stuff wasn't the over the top cartoon stuff. He also had a really dry sense of humour. Look at his El Dandy promo from WCW. To say Bret couldn't talk is unfair. Ok he wasn't on Austin or Rock levels but he could talk |
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Post by mauled on Mar 29, 2020 5:57:50 GMT -5
Add the Rock to that list. In his book he says in 97 Hunter (who was on the Booking committee)and Shawn hated the Rock wanted the Rock to lose in a match to Bret but Bret said no. He also says when he was visiting Owen at the WWF in 98, the Rock came up to him and asked him to come back. That Shawn was only doing a commissioner role and that he, Austin and Taker were running things there now. Yep. Shawn had wanted Bret to beat Rock because it'd mean Hart would be IC champion and out of the world title scene, and Rocky would be undermined, which would make him less likely to be a threat to Triple H's rise, plus Shawn pegged Rocky as a Bret guy. Rock supposedly almost came to blows with Shawn while in his teens, anyway, due to Shawn being a snotty shit towards Rock's grandma. Going by some of the rumors of Lia Maivia's political power in wrestling, Shawn would have probably gotten off easy with a teen Rocky kicking the shit out of him, but lucky for Shawn, people defused the situation. Long term Shawn screwed himself over. It's why the Rock would never do a match with him. |
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