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Post by Instant Classic on Mar 28, 2020 22:29:32 GMT -5
Main eventing Wrestlemania 18over Hogan and Rock but the same is never said about Lesnar/Angle over Rock and Austin at 19? Is it perhaps no one truly knew it was Austin’s last match?
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Mar 28, 2020 22:34:57 GMT -5
Ummmm, Rock/Hogan was a very big matchup and clearly a bigger draw then Jericho/HHH
As big as Rock/Austin was, this was their 3rd encounter and a grudge match. No way were they main event worthy over Lesnar who was going into his first Mania main event and Kurt Angle who despite being a physical mess was an absolute machine
Rock/Hogan is the reason you have a WM for dream matches like that. Jericho was clearly the 3rd wheel in that feud with HHH and neither guy was lighting the world on fire
This isn't even a comparison
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Post by DiBiase is Good on Mar 28, 2020 22:37:58 GMT -5
I might argue that if any other match was to main event WM19 instead, it’s Vince/Hogan.
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Post by JoDaNa1281 on Mar 28, 2020 22:39:34 GMT -5
Ummmm, Rock/Hogan was a very big matchup and clearly a bigger draw then Jericho/HHH As big as Rock/Austin was, this was their 3rd encounter and a grudge match. No way were they main event worthy over Lesnar who was going into his first Mania main event and Kurt Angle who despite being a physical mess was an absolute machine Rock/Hogan is the reason you have a WM for dream matches like that. Jericho was clearly the 3rd wheel in that feud with HHH and neither guy was lighting the world on fire This isn't even a comparison I think Jericho may've actually been the 4th wheels...behind HHH, Stephanie & their dog. |
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Post by James Fabiano on Mar 28, 2020 22:40:11 GMT -5
Ummmm, Rock/Hogan was a very big matchup and clearly a bigger draw then Jericho/HHH As big as Rock/Austin was, this was their 3rd encounter and a grudge match. No way were they main event worthy over Lesnar who was going into his first Mania main event and Kurt Angle who despite being a physical mess was an absolute machine Rock/Hogan is the reason you have a WM for dream matches like that. Jericho was clearly the 3rd wheel in that feud with HHH and neither guy was lighting the world on fire This isn't even a comparison I think Jericho may've actually been the 4th wheels...behind HHH, Stephanie & their dog. Combined with him being Savage to HHH's Hogan for (at that point) 2 years on. |
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Post by Instant Classic on Mar 28, 2020 22:41:28 GMT -5
I might argue that if any other match was to main event WM19 instead, it’s Vince/Hogan. I thought of saying that match as well but I didn’t think anyone would agree. |
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Post by Mozenrath on Mar 28, 2020 22:44:03 GMT -5
It wasn't a good feud. Triple H didn't want them to have Steph and Jericho romantically involved, which would have probably made the feud hit harder, but I get that not everyone is comfortable doing that kind of thing. Owen, for instance, turned down having a Debra tryst storyline feud with Jarrett, not being cool with that.
That said, if you're not going to go with it, then don't involve Stephanie in the feud so much, just have her in Jericho's corner. I get that it was to separate the face Triple H from heel Steph, and to maybe have Jericho lose the title in a way that saves face for him, but it backfired in a big way if that was the intended goal.
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Post by DiBiase is Good on Mar 28, 2020 22:44:58 GMT -5
I might argue that if any other match was to main event WM19 instead, it’s Vince/Hogan. I thought of saying that match as well but I didn’t think anyone would agree. I still would put Lesnar/Angle ahead of it though. |
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Mar 28, 2020 22:48:29 GMT -5
It wasn't a good feud. Triple H didn't want them to have Steph and Jericho romantically involved, which would have probably made the feud hit harder, but I get that not everyone is comfortable doing that kind of thing. Owen, for instance, turned down having a Debra tryst storyline feud with Jarrett, not being cool with that. That said, if you're not going to go with it, then don't involve Stephanie in the feud so much, just have her in Jericho's corner. I get that it was to separate the face Triple H from heel Steph, and to maybe have Jericho lose the title in a way that saves face for him, but it backfired in a big way if that was the intended goal. Add on that the momentum HHH had quickly got zapped by the time Mania came around Jericho had a decent championship run but still felt a rung behind HHH and Rock |
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Mar 28, 2020 22:50:31 GMT -5
I thought of saying that match as well but I didn’t think anyone would agree. I still would put Lesnar/Angle ahead of it though. If you're still in that mindset at that current time, your intentions are to make Lesnar the biggest star in the company and it is without question clearly the right move Hell, Lesnar/Angle in their prime is Main Event worthy in basically any era and only a few matchups really would you put over it |
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Post by DiBiase is Good on Mar 28, 2020 22:53:10 GMT -5
My 2003 memory isn’t that hot but did Angle’s neck issues cause him to not be on TV as much? I don’t immediately recall that much build up to his match.
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Mar 28, 2020 23:01:06 GMT -5
My 2003 memory isn’t that hot but did Angle’s neck issues cause him to not be on TV as much? I don’t immediately recall that much build up to his match. Yea it did They had a match between Brock and Angle for the title on SD to play up Kurt might not make it to WM and they did a double switch where Kurt's brother subbed in for him and when Brock noticed Kurt got a quick win if my memory serves me correctly |
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Post by ChitownKnight on Mar 28, 2020 23:05:26 GMT -5
Now what if they did Punk vs Jericho as the mania main event over Cena vs Rock? I feel like even though the latter should of obviously main evented, it still would of been a better scenario than HHH/Jericho at mania 18 since it was months removed from the pipebomb and punk probably would of stayed considering he main evented mania
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Post by Dub H on Mar 28, 2020 23:13:22 GMT -5
If I understand correctly:
Because Triple H isnt a big deal and Jericho was treated as a joke.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 28, 2020 23:17:55 GMT -5
I mean, I absolutely wouldn't have closed Mania 19 with Lesnar / Angle either, but I do think it was a better choice than Jericho / Triple H was. Now what if they did Punk vs Jericho as the mania main event over Cena vs Rock? I feel like even though the latter should of obviously main evented, it still would of been a better scenario than HHH/Jericho at mania 18 since it was months removed from the pipebomb and punk probably would of stayed considering he main evented mania Punk / Jericho would have been probably even worse if only because at least Jericho / Triple H is a decent match. Punk / Jericho was boring as all hell. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 28, 2020 23:45:44 GMT -5
I think Jericho may've actually been the 4th wheels...behind HHH, Stephanie & their dog. Combined with him being Savage to HHH's Hogan for (at that point) 2 years on. I think a more apt comparison was that he was the Ric Flair to Triple H's Hulk Hogan; he was a guy who just kept losing to him all the time, and the few (and boy were they few) times he would actually beat him, they were fluky as shit. This continued all the way until the end of 2009. |
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Post by Shark on Mar 29, 2020 0:10:39 GMT -5
I think even Jericho and Hunter have both said they shouldn't have main evented that Mania.
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Post by romanstylesiii on Mar 29, 2020 0:12:48 GMT -5
oddly enough, Triple H/Y2J was a hot enough feud to main event Mania at WM 2000. This feud never worked with Triple H being the face.
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Post by David-Arquette was in WCW 2000 on Mar 29, 2020 1:54:30 GMT -5
I might argue that if any other match was to main event WM19 instead, it’s Vince/Hogan. Seeing Hogan main eventing Wrestlemania twice in a row, 15 years after his heyday would have given the collective IWC at the time a stroke. However, both those matches would have killed it in those spots, and I think would be looked back on favourably. |
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Post by Thunderbolt on Mar 29, 2020 2:24:46 GMT -5
In one sense, Hogan is in a league of his own in that he was an integral part of two boom periods and felt/still feels to a lot of people to be a bigger deal than Rock/Austin. Rock/Austin were huge deals for relatively short times(in wrasslin) whereas Hogan was this looming, legendary figure at that point and in spite of everything still managed to feel more important than dudes that were currently in the primes.
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