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Post by eJm on Apr 3, 2020 19:30:11 GMT -5
But on the flip side of that, the Network in general hasn’t done much to get people’s interests. Sure, the documentaries are good but there’s only so much spin people can tolerate to an extent and the original stuff basically came and went. With way more US viewers than US Network subs (believe it was around 500,000 from last check), there’s potential to use older footage in a way more suitable to a TV audience. Live tweeting, cuts to talking heads, you could even do something where superstars talk about their favourite matches ever or in their career and show those, making use of the footage they have but also putting over the influences of the present day stars. There’s way more they can do with that for USA then for the Network since if you tried something like that for the network...people can just watch the matches on the Network. Those documentaries are the only things people really watch on the Network besides the live events. They're adding more and more of them all the time for a reason. They draw viewers while the classic content doesn't. They don’t really draw network subs, though. That’s sort of the point. If they were, the last investors meeting would have told a different story.
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Post by cjh on Apr 3, 2020 19:39:28 GMT -5
Those documentaries are the only things people really watch on the Network besides the live events. They're adding more and more of them all the time for a reason. They draw viewers while the classic content doesn't. They don’t really draw network subs, though. That’s sort of the point. If they were, the last investors meeting would have told a different story. And the classic content does even worse. It not only doesn't attract new subscribers but many of the people already subscribing don't watch it.
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Post by Natural Born Farmer on Apr 3, 2020 20:03:43 GMT -5
It’d suck ass if AEW ended behind this, and even when the general crisis subsides live shows let alone regular touring are a ways off.
But Khan seems pretty savvy, they’ve done well for TNT, hopefully something can be worked out.
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Post by eJm on Apr 3, 2020 20:04:01 GMT -5
They don’t really draw network subs, though. That’s sort of the point. If they were, the last investors meeting would have told a different story. And the classic content does even worse. It not only doesn't attract new subscribers but many of the people already subscribing don't watch it. Then I don’t know what the solution is, then. Besides improving the product overall which they never really did before and it’s impossible to do right now.
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Post by Chiral on Apr 3, 2020 20:16:00 GMT -5
Having a Performance Center type place as the extreme backup in cases like this will be common for big wrestling companies. If the PC losing money gets brought up at a shareholder's meeting they can point to this as a huge reason why they need it.
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Post by SAJ Forth on Apr 4, 2020 1:41:46 GMT -5
Having a Performance Center type place as the extreme backup in cases like this will be common for big wrestling companies. If the PC losing money gets brought up at a shareholder's meeting they can point to this as a huge reason why they need it. I can see this. Even if it is a barn like Gagne used to own. AEW, Impact, & whoever else can take a hit will have one of these.
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Post by Totorob101 on Apr 4, 2020 12:03:06 GMT -5
Not as serious as the other issues people have discussed but traditional fan interaction such as wrestlers high fiving fans to the ring, fan meet and greets, brawling in the crowd etc surely wont happen for a long while if ever again which would be a shame. Standing a few feet away from taking a pic with a wrestler or having to keep people away from the barracades just woildnt be the same would it, its a small thing really.
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Post by KAMALARAMBO: BOOMSHAKALAKA!!! on Apr 6, 2020 16:54:03 GMT -5
Things are getting rough.
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Post by WR91 on May 11, 2020 10:55:26 GMT -5
Certain promotions will have to close up shop for good. Which ones thought? That is the question.
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Post by James Fabiano on May 11, 2020 22:02:47 GMT -5
Question for everybody: If the state you live in allows all businesses to be operating as they "used to" by, say, July, except they "recommend wearing a mask when in groups of people," would you attend your local indie (or a generally smaller promotion, like say ROH, MLW, Impact, or something that doesn't have thousands of people) in July? Would you insist that each of the chairs be six feet apart from each other, or just go and enjoy the show in a mask? Would you stay away from all social gatherings until 2021 when we might have a vaccine? Believe me, in some companies here, me being incognito/masked would be a benefit ;-)
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Post by Ultimo Gallos on May 12, 2020 1:08:51 GMT -5
Unless it gets canceled I will be at the July Battlezone Wrestling show. But will be up on the stage filming and doing commentary. So not around the crowd. Which being honest I doubt is gonna be more than 100 people tops. Space them out in that huge civic center and it should be decent.
Will look odd in my new Ultimo Gallos mask with an additional mask over my mouth/nose area.
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Post by KAMALARAMBO: BOOMSHAKALAKA!!! on Dec 17, 2020 8:06:25 GMT -5
How’d we do so far? Anything turning out to be accurate or inaccurate?
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Post by hulksmash87 on Dec 17, 2020 10:55:21 GMT -5
I was hoping it would bring back a small studio style wrestling shows like Memphis use to have Daly’s place is bigger than a small tv studio and when wwe was at the pc I guess it was close but in a small studio type atmosphere you could have the small crowd
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Post by Jaws the Shark on Dec 17, 2020 12:50:59 GMT -5
How’d we do so far? Anything turning out to be accurate or inaccurate? Big Japan and Zero1 were both mentioned as being at risk early in the thread, and while neither closed they both came dangerously close and had to be rescued by investors.
There are probably a few other Japanese indys who aren't out of the woods, I've noticed a couple of tiny ones like Land's End and Osaka Pro haven't really run shows since the outbreak while others have, so I wonder if that's a money thing or if other things have stopped them.
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Post by drjayphd (feat. Pitbull) on Dec 18, 2020 18:51:05 GMT -5
How’d we do so far? Anything turning out to be accurate or inaccurate? The growth of wrestlers developing alternate revenue streams and their impact was probably completely missed. Not just wrestlers turning to Twitch, Patreon, Cameo, OnlyFans, etc. but the impact it had on WWE (and subsequently other companies that encouraged and permitted those things).
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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on Dec 19, 2020 2:05:52 GMT -5
How’d we do so far? Anything turning out to be accurate or inaccurate? Honestly? I think The Speaking Out movement is going to have a larger lasting impact on the wrestling world than the Pandemic did. That killed NWA because Lagana was absolutely exposed and he controlled almost all of NWA's production and Powerrr. They've been the ones hurt the most, and if you wanna throw the pandemic into it, they got double whammy'd when they tried to piggyback off of using CWFH for duel branded showcases, and then CWFH had to stop due to California's temporary re-lockdown. The Pandemic hurt wrestling when it happened, but all signs point to wrestling being ok in the end and a lot of the Indies remaining around. Especially with the likes of The Collective and such saving some of their shows and cards later in the year. Slowly but surely with the vaccines rolling out, wrestling and the world will hopefully return back to normalcy
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Post by Oh Cry Me a Screwball on Dec 20, 2020 19:32:53 GMT -5
How’d we do so far? Anything turning out to be accurate or inaccurate? Honestly? I think The Speaking Out movement is going to have a larger lasting impact on the wrestling world than the Pandemic did. That killed NWA because Lagana was absolutely exposed and he controlled almost all of NWA's production and Powerrr. They've been the ones hurt the most, and if you wanna throw the pandemic into it, they got double whammy'd when they tried to piggyback off of using CWFH for duel branded showcases, and then CWFH had to stop due to California's temporary re-lockdown. The Pandemic hurt wrestling when it happened, but all signs point to wrestling being ok in the end and a lot of the Indies remaining around. Especially with the likes of The Collective and such saving some of their shows and cards later in the year. Slowly but surely with the vaccines rolling out, wrestling and the world will hopefully return back to normalcy The big thing that seems to be happening is that some of the long time venues of indie wrestling may not be around for the big return of indie wrestling. In particular, the 2300 Arena (aka the ECW Arena) and GCW's Voltage Lounge have ongoing crowdfunding campaigns to keep the doors open. So, even when the vaccine is available to the general public, we may see the trend of outdoor shows continue for a bit longer.
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Post by romanstylesiii on Dec 20, 2020 19:41:19 GMT -5
Both the indie promotions in my area seem to be dead. One's death was expedited because the owner was caught up in the Speaking Out movement
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Post by lucas_lee on Dec 21, 2020 9:56:28 GMT -5
The big thing that seems to be happening is that some of the long time venues of indie wrestling may not be around for the big return of indie wrestling. In particular, the 2300 Arena (aka the ECW Arena) and GCW's Voltage Lounge have ongoing crowdfunding campaigns to keep the doors open. So, even when the vaccine is available to the general public, we may see the trend of outdoor shows continue for a bit longer. I saw the one for the ECW Arena, and it seemed more like "We're not getting enough rentals every month due to indoor gatherings being disallowed, so give us money," more than anything else. I don't see them shutting down anytime soon. I do, however, see a lot of indies not existing anymore once things are "back to normal." Most of them probably haven't made announcements as such, because they are hopeful, but they just won't have the means to run shows. In terms of venue, I think Matt Tremont was ahead of the curve and already had his wrestling school as a venue which helped keep H20's doors opened. A lot of the venues are hurt by the property taxes and I hope a lot of the venues get help financially.
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Post by Magic knows Black Lives Matter on Dec 21, 2020 10:39:25 GMT -5
Still too early. Not joking. For folks who have had COVID, we still don’t know what the long term health effects are gonna be. We’ll have a better scope in about five years or so. Kinda want to write a paper on it but I’ll be out of school by that point.
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