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Post by Perd on Apr 26, 2020 21:36:20 GMT -5
Thus is just so ridiculously good. The two hours just fly by.
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Post by MrElijah on Apr 26, 2020 21:44:08 GMT -5
I wonder how the Bad Boys would have dealt with the 90s Knicks or Reggie Miller's pestering ass.
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Post by BRV on Apr 26, 2020 21:45:15 GMT -5
God, the Bad Boys-era Pistons were the worst thing to happen to basketball up until the Malice at the Palace. They didn't try to win games based on talent or skill, they just tried to dirty the game up, throw cheap shots, and try to hurt or injure the opponent's best players. And this is during a time when basketball was still trying to escape from its legacy of brawlers and bruisers and goons of the late 70s and early 80s literally squaring up and fighting like you'd see on hockey rinks.
Then, when someone comes along and beats them fair and square - like the 1991 Bulls did - they behave exactly the way Horace Grant just described them. And somehow they're now celebrated as this halcyon era of glory days basketball.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 26, 2020 21:55:41 GMT -5
I wonder how the Bad Boys would have dealt with the 90s Knicks or Reggie Miller's pestering ass. The Pacers? They would have swatted them like flies. The early 1990s Pacers teams were also trying to build themselves up after their entire NBA existence consisted of being... there. The organization would often draft poorly and being one of the less financially sound teams meant they couldn't bring in anyone, even in an era before free agency was truly a thing. In 1977, they had a telethon to stay in the city, and in the mid 1980s, the team almost was the one to move to Sacramento instead of the Kansas City Kings hadn't it been for the Simon brothers. Wasn't until the mid to late 1990s when the crew of Miller, Smits, and the Davis duo would gel and we got ourselves a legit contender and Detroit likely would have had a run for their money. Of course, our inability to get beyond the Eastern Conference Finals (1 and 8 all time) would have played a factor. Now, the Knicks on the other hand, with Patrick Ewing? Oh, Detroit would likely have not had much of a chance.
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Post by MrElijah on Apr 26, 2020 22:01:17 GMT -5
God, the Bad Boys-era Pistons were the worst thing to happen to basketball up until the Malice at the Palace. They didn't try to win games based on talent or skill, they just tried to dirty the game up, throw cheap shots, and try to hurt or injure the opponent's best players. And this is during a time when basketball was still trying to escape from its legacy of brawlers and bruisers and goons of the late 70s and early 80s literally squaring up and fighting like you'd see on hockey rinks. Then, when someone comes along and beats them fair and square - like the 1991 Bulls did - they behave exactly the way Horace Grant just described them. And somehow they're now celebrated as this halcyon era of glory days basketball. Eh, while they've been apart of great series, they don't really celebrate the Bad Boys. For one word of praise, there's 5 other words of calling them assholes/dirty/Screw Lambieer/Isaiah is a scumbag.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 26, 2020 22:01:50 GMT -5
God, the Bad Boys-era Pistons were the worst thing to happen to basketball up until the Malice at the Palace. They didn't try to win games based on talent or skill, they just tried to dirty the game up, throw cheap shots, and try to hurt or injure the opponent's best players. And this is during a time when basketball was still trying to escape from its legacy of brawlers and bruisers and goons of the late 70s and early 80s literally squaring up and fighting like you'd see on hockey rinks. Then, when someone comes along and beats them fair and square - like the 1991 Bulls did - they behave exactly the way Horace Grant just described them. And somehow they're now celebrated as this halcyon era of glory days basketball. And Isiah Thomas has a record of scorched earth everywhere he went; the Raptors, the Pacers, the Knicks, college basketball, the CBA. By the way... I don't condone what the Pacers did that night, but that still remains a huge "what if". Certainly we likely would have not gotten past the ECF hump, and we may have lost to the Spurs in the Finals if we made it, but the fact we got wrecked by the suspensions and then the team had to trade for a bunch of low quality choir boys two years later from one of the worst teams in the league in Golden State to make good PR really set us back for years. I still remember us really trying to sell hard on getting benchwarmer Keith McLeod, who would then get into a bar fight along with bust Jamaal Tinsley.
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Post by kingoftheindies on Apr 26, 2020 22:05:31 GMT -5
Thought these episodes were much better than 1 and 2... and unlike those.
Had to get a kick of of MJ's reaction to Thomas. Also something quite clear so far is that MJ is very hesitant to be critical of Scottie. Outside of calling him selfish for how he handled surgery he would not go at Scottie even when its clear something frustrated him
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Post by sfvega on Apr 26, 2020 22:26:47 GMT -5
Not sure how many of you guys listen to Bill Simmons (I’m a love and hate fan of his) but he’s been on a super bitter tear about this doc since he thinks the 86 Celtics deserve more attention and he tried to be a part of the doc but got turned down years ago lol One of the best things about this has been not watching Bill Simmons somehow try to shoehorn in Larry Bird and the Celtics when asked about a Bulls/Cavs series. f*** that guy.
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Post by cabbageboy on Apr 26, 2020 22:35:42 GMT -5
This series obviously isn't celebrating the Bad Boy Pistons but they certainly had a separate 30 For 30 where they did hail them. I've been reading about the ABA of late and I tend to think the whole notion of enforcers and goons in basketball was an ABA thing (John Brisker, Warren Jabali, etc.). UK alum Cliff Hagan was a player coach in Dallas in the early ABA years and he would get into fights and get thrown out all the time...and he was running the team! As I said, ESPN should do a 30 For 30 on the whole NBA/ABA merger and what really happened there, since a bunch of people may think the silly depiction in Semi-Pro had some basis in reality. Then they can go into the Pacers and their marginal first 15 years in the NBA, what happened to the Kentucky Colonels, the All Star players that hit the NBA, the goons that hit the NBA, the whole absurd financial penalties the Nets faced that forced them to deal Dr. J because they couldn't afford it otherwise. It's like why take the Nets if they couldn't have Erving? What did the even bring to the table?
I have enjoyed this Bulls series but is it really telling us anything we don't already know? We know Jerry Krause sucks, we know Rodman was a loose cannon nut, etc. The only real revelation to me is the Pippen anger at management since I had no idea it was that bad.
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Post by BRV on Apr 26, 2020 22:53:41 GMT -5
I have enjoyed this Bulls series but is it really telling us anything we don't already know? We know Jerry Krause sucks, we know Rodman was a loose cannon nut, etc. The only real revelation to me is the Pippen anger at management since I had no idea it was that bad. I will admit, through four episodes, the series is not meeting the hype it received. For years, there were these reports and rumors of hours of documentary footage following every move of the 1997-98 Chicago Bulls and then it's finally announced that the footage is being released as part of a 10-hour documentary and through four episodes, it's a footnote as part of a walk down memory lane that we've all taken as basketball fans countless times. Again, how many times do we need to rehash Jordan's Bulls overcoming the Bad Boys Pistons? How many minutes need to be devoted to Dennis Rodman's tenure in Detroit? I'd so much rather see the footage of Michael Jordan cussing out Dennis Rodman after that one random mid-season game in winter 1997, or how Rodman went AWOL on the Bulls after Scottie Pippen returned. That's what I want to see, that's the real meat on the bones, but it's given a quick cursory 20 or 30 seconds before its on to more history. I'll watch the entire series, because it's overall fascinating stuff, but through four episodes, the only word I can really muster up for "The Last Dance" has been "underwhelming."
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Post by sfvega on Apr 26, 2020 23:11:00 GMT -5
Also worth noting: Carmen Electra, still hot.
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Post by AwamoriRock on Apr 26, 2020 23:56:43 GMT -5
Not sure how many of you guys listen to Bill Simmons (I’m a love and hate fan of his) but he’s been on a super bitter tear about this doc since he thinks the 86 Celtics deserve more attention and he tried to be a part of the doc but got turned down years ago lol One of the best things about this has been not watching Bill Simmons somehow try to shoehorn in Larry Bird and the Celtics when asked about a Bulls/Cavs series. f*** that guy. That’s all he’s been doing. It’s funny that Ryen Russillo of all people has to reign him in.
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Post by Cyno on Apr 26, 2020 23:57:58 GMT -5
One of the best things about this has been not watching Bill Simmons somehow try to shoehorn in Larry Bird and the Celtics when asked about a Bulls/Cavs series. f*** that guy. That’s all he’s been doing. It’s funny that Ryen Russillo of all people has to reign him in. He's still haunted by the demons.
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Post by AwamoriRock on Apr 27, 2020 0:22:17 GMT -5
That’s all he’s been doing. It’s funny that Ryen Russillo of all people has to reign him in. He's still haunted by the demons. They’re coming out of the attic and basement
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Post by RadcapRadsley on Apr 27, 2020 0:24:11 GMT -5
I wonder how the Bad Boys would have dealt with the 90s Knicks or Reggie Miller's pestering ass. The Bad Boys were significantly better then Pacers or Knicks on both ends of the floor. Neither of those teams had on ball scorers at the level of Zeke and Dumars and the Pacers didn't even have in the post at the level of Aguirre offensively. The Knicks were a great defensive team,but they basically had 1 elite offensive player Ewing and a bunch of guys who had Ben Simmons like jumpers. Pacers and Knicks would be a tough out in the playoffs in any era,but hard to see any era where either win a title.
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Post by Jedi-El of Tomorrow on Apr 27, 2020 1:49:16 GMT -5
Dennis was/is f***ing wild. That is a broken man If you haven't, check out his 30 for 30. It gives a great insight into him, and his early life. His dad left early, his mom was tough, a lot of times he had to take care of his younger siblings, he dealt with a lot of racism, and he thought about suicide a lot. Chuck Daly balanced him, and was the father figure that Rodman never had. When Daly left Detroit, Rodman's life started to unravel, he was getting a divorce, and the suicide attempt in the parking lot of Auburn Hills.
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Post by arrogantmodel on Apr 27, 2020 1:58:42 GMT -5
Also worth noting: Carmen Electra, still hot. My buddy met her at a convention a few months ago. I was supposed to go too, but I didn't feel like spending what they were asking for tickets. I saw pictures, and she's there with all Scary Movie stuff, I'm like, "Wasn't she only in it for the first ten minutes?" She's done other things. Mostly terrible movies, but still. Haha.
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Apr 27, 2020 5:48:48 GMT -5
Not sure how many of you guys listen to Bill Simmons (I’m a love and hate fan of his) but he’s been on a super bitter tear about this doc since he thinks the 86 Celtics deserve more attention and he tried to be a part of the doc but got turned down years ago lol One of the best things about this has been not watching Bill Simmons somehow try to shoehorn in Larry Bird and the Celtics when asked about a Bulls/Cavs series. f*** that guy. F*** Bill Simmons. The Celtics have had a few 30 for 30s. No one wants to hear you be a homer and talk about Boston. That shit used to get me mad when he would try to talk shit to Magic, like bro shut up you didn’t win those rings
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Apr 27, 2020 5:50:24 GMT -5
If you haven't, check out his 30 for 30. It gives a great insight into him, and his early life. His dad left early, his mom was tough, a lot of times he had to take care of his younger siblings, he dealt with a lot of racism, and he thought about suicide a lot. Chuck Daly balanced him, and was the father figure that Rodman never had. When Daly left Detroit, Rodman's life started to unravel, he was getting a divorce, and the suicide attempt in the parking lot of Auburn Hills. Yea, I watched it a while back. One of the more heartbreaking things was see Isiah Thomas breakdown over Dennis. He said that man is crying for help with all this attention but can’t nothing be done His relationship with his kids too being up and down. Good to see he was finally getting in his grandchild life
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Post by MrElijah on Apr 27, 2020 7:38:36 GMT -5
One of the best things about this has been not watching Bill Simmons somehow try to shoehorn in Larry Bird and the Celtics when asked about a Bulls/Cavs series. f*** that guy. F*** Bill Simmons. The Celtics have had a few 30 for 30s. No one wants to hear you be a homer and talk about Boston. That shit used to get me mad when he would try to talk shit to Magic, like bro shut up you didn’t win those rings I mean, what else is there to talk about the '86 Celtics? Top 5 Team of All-Time, Bird at his zenith, 40-1 at Boston Garden, the Front Line, beat a young Hakeem. Anything I'm missing?
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