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Post by somsta on Apr 24, 2020 23:58:56 GMT -5
They did sue. They took Sting to court, but he handed the judge a baseball bat, turned his back, and then left. I remember that. It was right after his defense attorney and character witnesses all turned on him.
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Post by wildojinx on Apr 26, 2020 10:28:08 GMT -5
The "early years" dvds that showed old world class and USWA footage for guys like Austin, Foley, Jarrett, etc also kept in the licensed music, which is surprising.
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Post by Ben Wyatt on Apr 26, 2020 13:36:48 GMT -5
They did sue. They took Sting to court, but he handed the judge a baseball bat, turned his back, and then left. I remember that. It was right after his defense attorney and character witnesses all turned on him. Sting: Boy... Richard Flair esq. was a terrible choice for a lawyer. Wait.... DAMN IT
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Post by Jim Stansel on Apr 26, 2020 20:41:04 GMT -5
O'Barr was not aware, but he also didn't really care. According to O'Barr though, Dimension Films did make him change the make-up once the gimmick took off. www.youtube.com/watch?v=tDKSOegKQnUHonestly, mad credit to him. A lot of people would have probably sued Turner for a quick pay day. At one point, the characters looked nearly identical. Sting's character did grow to be more distinct later on I love that sting was mysterious and no one knew where he was, yet he showed up for a magazine poster shoot.
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Post by wrestlingfan4lyfe on Apr 24, 2022 13:33:45 GMT -5
Fact: when they changed Sting's paint to be what it was mostly for this character, they lifted it off of a Marilyn Manson cover of I think Rolling Stone. You mean this one images.app.goo.gl/PhcGQnxGkeQS232Q6
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Post by Deleted on Apr 24, 2022 13:54:32 GMT -5
The bigger question....how did ECW get away with using all that copyrighted music for their themes? The truth is, contrary to Heyman's blatant lies that he had deals worked out with the labels, ECW flew so deep under the radar that the labels didn't know. When he talked about these "Deals" on the 2014 blu-ray release, I thought it sounded fishy. I was writing for the Village Voice at the time, so I had direct access to all the labels based in NYC. I contacted a some, and they had no record whatsoever of any publishing broadcast deals worked out with Heyman, ECW, or any affiliated companies. There's no loopholes or anything, ECW was just too small for anyone in the music business to notice. Thanks for this. I've always wondered the same thing about ECW and the music.
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Post by 67 more on Apr 24, 2022 14:11:36 GMT -5
The bigger question....how did ECW get away with using all that copyrighted music for their themes? The truth is, contrary to Heyman's blatant lies that he had deals worked out with the labels, ECW flew so deep under the radar that the labels didn't know. When he talked about these "Deals" on the 2014 blu-ray release, I thought it sounded fishy. I was writing for the Village Voice at the time, so I had direct access to all the labels based in NYC. I contacted a some, and they had no record whatsoever of any publishing broadcast deals worked out with Heyman, ECW, or any affiliated companies. There's no loopholes or anything, ECW was just too small for anyone in the music business to notice. In the UK, the VHS and DVDs were put out by a company called Delta Music and every PPV until Anarchy Rulz 2000 is released with uncut music, then they realised crap, we could get sued for this, and the remaining PPVs (and subsequent older supercars they released) are released with spectacularly bad dub jobs. The only replacement themes they really got right were Shane Douglas, Taz, the Dudleys and New Jack. Everyone else is the worst bargain basement techno you could imagine or if they're being particularly lazy, just the ECW theme.
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Post by BorneAgain on Apr 24, 2022 14:18:06 GMT -5
ECW's use of music could only have happened when it did. Any later and chances are labels would have gotten word of it via the internet/social media and shut it down quick.
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Post by cjh on Apr 24, 2022 20:21:30 GMT -5
ECW's use of music could only have happened when it did. Any later and chances are labels would have gotten word of it via the internet/social media and shut it down quick. Tommy Dreamer once said that he found crumpled up cease-and-desist notices from various music labels in Paul Heyman's briefcase.
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Post by A Platypus Rave on Apr 24, 2022 20:35:23 GMT -5
The bigger question....how did ECW get away with using all that copyrighted music for their themes? The truth is, contrary to Heyman's blatant lies that he had deals worked out with the labels, ECW flew so deep under the radar that the labels didn't know. When he talked about these "Deals" on the 2014 blu-ray release, I thought it sounded fishy. I was writing for the Village Voice at the time, so I had direct access to all the labels based in NYC. I contacted a some, and they had no record whatsoever of any publishing broadcast deals worked out with Heyman, ECW, or any affiliated companies. There's no loopholes or anything, ECW was just too small for anyone in the music business to notice. Which is how indy companies work now mostly they're too small for it to be worth the label's time.
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Post by Mozenrath on Apr 24, 2022 21:18:38 GMT -5
The truth is, contrary to Heyman's blatant lies that he had deals worked out with the labels, ECW flew so deep under the radar that the labels didn't know. When he talked about these "Deals" on the 2014 blu-ray release, I thought it sounded fishy. I was writing for the Village Voice at the time, so I had direct access to all the labels based in NYC. I contacted a some, and they had no record whatsoever of any publishing broadcast deals worked out with Heyman, ECW, or any affiliated companies. There's no loopholes or anything, ECW was just too small for anyone in the music business to notice. Which is how indy companies work now mostly they're too small for it to be worth the label's time. I still think it's funny Rick Rubin, someone who was, and still is, a force in music, just told Jim Cornette to pull the same shenanigans with music in Smoky Mountain Wrestling, that it would be beneath the notice of most music labels but that even if it wasn't, they could just wait on a C&D in order to drop a song if need be. This was very pre-DMCA.
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Post by chazraps on Apr 24, 2022 21:21:38 GMT -5
The truth is, contrary to Heyman's blatant lies that he had deals worked out with the labels, ECW flew so deep under the radar that the labels didn't know. When he talked about these "Deals" on the 2014 blu-ray release, I thought it sounded fishy. I was writing for the Village Voice at the time, so I had direct access to all the labels based in NYC. I contacted a some, and they had no record whatsoever of any publishing broadcast deals worked out with Heyman, ECW, or any affiliated companies. There's no loopholes or anything, ECW was just too small for anyone in the music business to notice. Which is how indy companies work now mostly they're too small for it to be worth the label's time. That is... unless they're broadcasting on Twitch. That's what finally got AAA to stop using copyrighted music.
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Post by Bang Bang Bart on Apr 24, 2022 22:27:37 GMT -5
They did sue. They took Sting to court, but he handed the judge a baseball bat, turned his back, and then left. The judge then ruled against Sting, because he’s a friend of Ric Flair’s.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 24, 2022 22:38:56 GMT -5
The bigger question....how did ECW get away with using all that copyrighted music for their themes? The truth is, contrary to Heyman's blatant lies that he had deals worked out with the labels, ECW flew so deep under the radar that the labels didn't know. When he talked about these "Deals" on the 2014 blu-ray release, I thought it sounded fishy. I was writing for the Village Voice at the time, so I had direct access to all the labels based in NYC. I contacted a some, and they had no record whatsoever of any publishing broadcast deals worked out with Heyman, ECW, or any affiliated companies. There's no loopholes or anything, ECW was just too small for anyone in the music business to notice. During Paul Heyman tribute to New Jack, Heyman admitted that he never had the rights to Natural Born Killaz and he just didn't care about getting the rights to the song or not.
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Post by Ultimo Gallos on Apr 25, 2022 2:04:35 GMT -5
Didn't ECW have some kind of deal with Tommy Boy Records?
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Post by "Gizzark" Mike Wronglevenay on Apr 25, 2022 7:35:53 GMT -5
Didn't ECW have some kind of deal with Tommy Boy Records? If you believe what Paul says, which you probably shouldn't, yes, but it was literally just for one wrestler, which was Scorpio.
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Post by cjh on Apr 25, 2022 7:43:01 GMT -5
Didn't ECW have some kind of deal with Tommy Boy Records? In 1996, one of the billboards ECW would show during the commercial breaks said "ECW Would Like to Thank...." and listed 4-5 record labels. TB was one of them.
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Post by chazraps on Apr 25, 2022 9:50:22 GMT -5
Didn't ECW have some kind of deal with Tommy Boy Records? Didn't ECW have some kind of deal with Tommy Boy Records? In 1996, one of the billboards ECW would show during the commercial breaks said "ECW Would Like to Thank...." and listed 4-5 record labels. TB was one of them. No, ECW absolutely did not in any way have a deal with Tommy Boy Records. I contacted Tommy Boy Record in the aforementioned 2014 contacting of record labels and had it confirmed that they has absolutely no record of dealing with ECW, Paul Heyman, Stonehenge Media or any other company that was just Paul or an affiliate using another name. Further, 2 Cold Scorpio's "Whoomp There It Is" theme was NOT EVEN ON TOMMY BOY RECORDS. Heyman's depth for lying is bottomless. It's why I wish those WWE documentaries had done even the slightest amount of fact checking. Far as I can tell, the only actual interactions with Tommy Boy Records was Saturn having a cameo in a House of Pain video - which if I had to extrapolate was enough for Paul to create an illusion that they had some deal with Tommy Boy Records. As for the other labels, they're ones who ECW either used in the bumpers for or the music videos. These weren't actual licenses, Paul just took them. Some have speculated that Paul just intercut ECW footage into official music videos as a loophole to use the music (at the time no broadcasting network had to pay a single cent in royalties because music videos were seen as commercial promotional items, something that didn't change until 2008/2009 when the industry was in a tailspin) but no actual licensing deals were made.
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Post by jason1980s on Apr 25, 2022 10:37:34 GMT -5
Heyman's depth for lying is bottomless. I've been amazed for almost 20 years that Brock Lesnar, who trusts almost no one aligned himself with Paul as his most trusted advisor. My only guess is Paul brings something to the table and if Paul were ever to cross Brock, he might actually do some physical harm to him which Paul wouldn't risk. I've never been a Paul fan, on screen he is always over the top in a bad way IMO and behind the scenes he can't be trusted.
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Post by A Platypus Rave on Apr 25, 2022 13:21:47 GMT -5
Heyman's depth for lying is bottomless. I've been amazed for almost 20 years that Brock Lesnar, who trusts almost no one aligned himself with Paul as his most trusted advisor. My only guess is Paul brings something to the table and if Paul were ever to cross Brock, he might actually do some physical harm to him which Paul wouldn't risk. I've never been a Paul fan, on screen he is always over the top in a bad way IMO and behind the scenes he can't be trusted. Heyman may be a liar and a bit of a scumbag but Heyman's not stupid. He saw dollar signs with Brock. He could have tried screwing Brock over but he gets more money and notoriety out of being his legitimate advisor.
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