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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on May 6, 2020 15:42:17 GMT -5
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Post by Deleted on May 6, 2020 16:14:02 GMT -5
There is not a good performance in there. I don't care how much they edited out, there is not any kind of a sign of a good Joker anywhere in what actually made it into the movie.
I can at least see what they were going for with the idea - play into Joker's usual way of trying to play himself as a man of class by making him very trashy and offputting about it - and there is something to that concept, but the execution was just horrendous from the ground up.
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Post by chrom on May 6, 2020 16:29:24 GMT -5
My heart broke as well, due to how shitty it was.
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on May 6, 2020 16:55:36 GMT -5
There is not a good performance in there. I don't care how much they edited out, there is not any kind of a sign of a good Joker anywhere in what actually made it into the movie. I can at least see what they were going for with the idea - play into Joker's usual way of trying to play himself as a man of class by making him very trashy and offputting about it - and there is something to that concept, but the execution was just horrendous from the ground up. There is a good interpretation in there somewhere but execution is way off When they showed Leto on the magazine, I liked the look as it was different but felt like you can do something with the "new age" version of him. His performance was just manic and insane to be insane.
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Post by Deleted on May 6, 2020 16:57:47 GMT -5
I would've liked Leto to have another shot at it. He didn't get many lines or scenes in Suicide Squad to show what he could do.
I liked the punk tattooed look too.
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on May 6, 2020 17:01:17 GMT -5
I would've liked Leto to have another shot at it. He didn't get many lines or scenes in Suicide Squad to show what he could do. I liked the punk tattooed look too. This is a case where Leto is an eccentric actor and he might be too eccentric to play Joker And no matter what his performance will be compared to Phoenix which he can't match
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Post by Clash, Never a Meter Maid on May 6, 2020 17:02:02 GMT -5
Joker as a grimy street sleaze is a good idea on paper. Leto derailed it by acting more like a spaz than someone Batman and the others should be taking seriously.
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Post by Mighty Attack Tribble on May 6, 2020 17:26:15 GMT -5
I would've liked Leto to have another shot at it. He didn't get many lines or scenes in Suicide Squad to show what he could do. Leto literally had six minutes of screen time in the entire movie, of which almost all of it was entirely unrelated to the narrative, and the inclusion of the character was a last-minute mandate from the studio. So yeah, I'd have been fine with him getting another shot in a movie where the Joker isn't an afterthought.
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Post by Chainsaw on May 6, 2020 17:26:58 GMT -5
God, David Ayer sucks.
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Post by "Gizzark" Mike Wronglevenay on May 6, 2020 17:46:18 GMT -5
I'm so sad that a performance that involved abusing his co workers because of how method he was being has gone so unrecognised.
When I send used condoms and dead animals to my colleagues, all the courts notice!
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Post by A Platypus Rave on May 6, 2020 17:58:32 GMT -5
I'm so sad that a performance that involved abusing his co workers because of how method he was being has gone so unrecognised. When I send used condoms and dead animals to my colleagues, all the courts notice! Yeah... I didn't like the look to begin with... but his backstage shenanigans turned me right the f*** off on wanting to see the him play the character... especially cause none of his "pranks" sound like anything the Joker would do.
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Post by Perpetual Nirvana on May 6, 2020 17:58:50 GMT -5
Too creepy for compassion? He's the friggin Joker! He's a psychotic mass murderer. You're not supposed to feel compassion for him.
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on May 6, 2020 18:02:25 GMT -5
Too creepy for compassion? He's the friggin Joker! He's a psychotic mass murderer. You're not supposed to feel compassion for him. Yea, even with Arthur you went from well damn people keep f***ing with him to well ole boy is f****ing insane
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Post by Deleted on May 6, 2020 18:11:33 GMT -5
Too creepy for compassion? He's the friggin Joker! He's a psychotic mass murderer. You're not supposed to feel compassion for him. Yeah, even something like Killing Joke... Yeah, as presented there's sadness behind what he's describing (which even the story freely admits isn't even true) and he registers as more pathetic than anything by the end, but he's still not someone you're supposed to like. There's room for some level of sympathy for the character (though it should only be used in very rare cases) but certainly not empathy.
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Post by BorneAgain on May 6, 2020 18:29:33 GMT -5
Honestly the issue of Leto's Joker isn't so much him being creepy, it was that there was no genuine charisma from him. All the notable Joker performances, no matter the tone had a magnetism to the character in his big moments that made you want to watch, even you feared or hated the character.
Nicholson, Hamill, Ledger, Phoenix, even Romero were able to some degree to command a room when on screen. I never got from Leto's version. All the notable makeup, laughs, and clothes... and the guy comes across like a theater major in a Batman fan film trying way too hard too be the biggest version of him. The portrayal of the character can vary a lot, but at its heart is a confident, but selective theatricality that doesn't need to be turned up to 11 in every scene. The Suicide Squad version is so hammy with every line and gesture that the effort to make him memorable renders him as obnoxious visual noise. For an audience, Leto's Joker is not a disturbed clown delivering his murderous punch lines at just the right now, he's the annoying, insecure kid at your middle school who thought that being the weird and "crazy" guy made them cool and funny to everybody else.
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Post by TWERKIN' MAGGLE on May 6, 2020 18:50:28 GMT -5
I don't feel bad for David Ayer or Jared Leto. I don't feel bad for Zack Snyder.
Actually, I'm happy that it happened to them and I'm happy that it happened to their fans. Got what they deserved for going out of their way to violate something as awesome as the DC Universe.
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on May 6, 2020 18:55:06 GMT -5
Honestly the issue of Leto's Joker isn't so much him being creepy, it was that there was no genuine charisma from him. All the notable Joker performances, no matter the tone had a magnetism to the character in his big moments that made you want to watch, even you feared or hated the character. Nicholson, Hamill, Ledger, Phoenix, even Romero were able to some degree to command a room when on screen. I never got from Leto's version. All the notable makeup, laughs, and clothes... and the guy comes across like a theater major in a Batman fan film trying way too hard too be the biggest version of him. The portrayal of the character can vary a lot, but at its heart is a confident, but selective theatricality that doesn't need to be turned up to 11 in every scene. The Suicide Squad version is so hammy with every line and gesture that the effort to make him memorable renders him as obnoxious visual noise. For an audience, Leto's Joker is not a disturbed clown delivering his murderous punch lines at just the right now, he's the annoying, insecure kid at your middle school who thought that being the weird and "crazy" guy made them cool and funny to everybody else. The big problem they actually don't really have a f***ing backstory for Joker to move in a direction Everyone and their mother assumed well this Joker is weird, maybe he's a Robin which would have weirdly fit since this isn't the "real Joker". They denied it was Jason Todd but I think Snyder is head canon said he would have picked Dick Grayson
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Post by A Platypus Rave on May 6, 2020 18:58:07 GMT -5
Honestly the issue of Leto's Joker isn't so much him being creepy, it was that there was no genuine charisma from him. All the notable Joker performances, no matter the tone had a magnetism to the character in his big moments that made you want to watch, even you feared or hated the character. Nicholson, Hamill, Ledger, Phoenix, even Romero were able to some degree to command a room when on screen. I never got from Leto's version. All the notable makeup, laughs, and clothes... and the guy comes across like a theater major in a Batman fan film trying way too hard too be the biggest version of him. The portrayal of the character can vary a lot, but at its heart is a confident, but selective theatricality that doesn't need to be turned up to 11 in every scene. The Suicide Squad version is so hammy with every line and gesture that the effort to make him memorable renders him as obnoxious visual noise. For an audience, Leto's Joker is not a disturbed clown delivering his murderous punch lines at just the right now, he's the annoying, insecure kid at your middle school who thought that being the weird and "crazy" guy made them cool and funny to everybody else. The big problem they actually don't really have a f***ing backstory for Joker to move in a direction Everyone and their mother assumed well this Joker is weird, maybe he's a Robin which would have weirdly fit since this isn't the "real Joker". They denied it was Jason Todd but I think Snyder is head canon said he would have picked Dick Grayson Snyder's head canon was that Joker killed Dick Grayson... that said Joker doesn't need a backstory... and in fact he works a hell of a lot better without an official one
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Post by Deleted on May 6, 2020 19:01:03 GMT -5
The big problem they actually don't really have a f***ing backstory for Joker to move in a direction Everyone and their mother assumed well this Joker is weird, maybe he's a Robin which would have weirdly fit since this isn't the "real Joker". They denied it was Jason Todd but I think Snyder is head canon said he would have picked Dick Grayson Snyder's head canon was that Joker killed Dick Grayson... that said Joker doesn't need a backstory... and in fact he works a hell of a lot better without an official one He was the Red Hood, took an acid bath during a run-in with Batman. That's all you need to know about him. And even then you can do a Joker story perfectly fine without even that much.
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on May 6, 2020 19:01:52 GMT -5
The big problem they actually don't really have a f***ing backstory for Joker to move in a direction Everyone and their mother assumed well this Joker is weird, maybe he's a Robin which would have weirdly fit since this isn't the "real Joker". They denied it was Jason Todd but I think Snyder is head canon said he would have picked Dick Grayson Snyder's head canon was that Joker killed Dick Grayson... that said Joker doesn't need a backstory... and in fact he works a hell of a lot better without an official one Well backstory in terms of direction for what they wanted him to be. I should probably used vision instead but you get what I mean. They needed a proper vision of Joker instead of booking it on the fly Snyder head canon is all over the place tho I do remember him and Ayer saying Jason Todd wasn't Joker. Think we was supposed to get something about Joker killing Robin in one of the movies
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