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Post by Rolent Tex on May 16, 2020 1:20:16 GMT -5
It’s embarrassing to see how people are reacting to possible safety guidelines at Disney when they reopen parks. People threatening to cancel vacations if they have to wear a mask in the ungodly Florida heat...it’s unacceptable!
Which it’s hilarious because they’re saying people will pass out from heat exhaustion...but yet people in full costume parade their happy butts out for families day in and day out. They’ve obviously never had to play the Easter Bunny. I have...those things are brutal and masks are a cakewalk. I mean, Orlando’s average temperature for the next couple months is only 3 degrees higher than here...and as far as I know no one has passed out from mask heat exhaustion.
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Post by Derk! on May 16, 2020 2:12:27 GMT -5
A girl got fired at my job for not wearing her mask. Idiot.
Some places don't have mask requirements( like the Shell next door to my job)but out of common courtesy and my own protection, I will wear mine.
I'm not a fan of them personally, but you gotta do what you gotta do.
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Post by HMARK Center on May 16, 2020 8:44:43 GMT -5
-I saw an interesting article in The Atlantic from someone who worked on the AIDS crisis; they discussed how, at a certain point, it won't be reasonable to expect nearly everyone to follow every safety precaution, given not just the financial but the sheer mental toll that isolation and distance can inflict on people, so they argued a kind of nuanced approach: different states and regions should approach reopening differently, and some "bad" behaviors during this should be permitted, but with as many safety precautions made readily available as possible (e.g. allow small gatherings but make clear that masks are needed, etc.). The writer compared it with AIDS in that you couldn't expect people not to sleep with at-risk partners who might be carrying HIV, but you could provide them with protection and other things to at least minimize the risks involved. It was an interesting idea, but I have some issues with drawing too much of a parallel between AIDS and COVID19; obviously AIDS was more fatal, but COVID is much more easily transmittable; there's some evidence, for example, that people might be susceptible to even catching it through their eyes, mainly if they're in a place with recirculated air, like a plane. But the larger principle that you know people are going to break rules and do things they shouldn't be doing and that rather than straight shaming them you should provide protection where possible is not an unwarranted one, just a very difficult one to implement given the lack of coordinated effort or case reporting in the US on this matter right now. -Speaking of which, US House of Representatives passed a $3 trillion COVID stimulus bill; it's likely not even going to come up for a debate in the Senate, unfortunately, so there's no federal help coming any time soon on that front. -These really caught my eye: Basically, there's a ton more misinformation out there than there has typically been during crises like this, and it's, uh, not helping matters. This has not been helped by things like this, which came straight from the White House Council of Economic Advisors just 11 days ago: If you've taken stats before, I apologize for posting this abomination. Yes, they literally tailored a projection so that it said there would be almost zero new cases in the US by May 15. Fast forward, and actual stats in the US for 5/15 were: USA COVID-19 stats as of 08:30 AM on May 15, 2020 Cases: 1,458,243 (+117.0) Deaths : 86,942 (+5.0) -There's evidence that the way the initial travel ban from Europe was implemented may well have triggered the New York outbreak. If you're in power and you do things on a whim and with no real strategy, forethought, or planning beforehand, people tend to suffer and/or die.
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Post by bob on May 16, 2020 9:55:33 GMT -5
So I have a question, related to this.
I filed for pandemic unemployment and am expecting it to be accepted once they get to my application.
The state website it will be taking out both state and federal taxes from what I be getting.
I was wondering if I have to pay taxes on it next tax season, or some kind of money to the government because of it?
I've never filed for unemployment before and am confused. I don't want to be caught off guard by a surprise charge on my taxes next year.
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Post by Toilet Paper Roll on May 16, 2020 10:15:06 GMT -5
My hair is getting pretty shaggy but I will hold off cutting it. I don’t think I could sit still for that right now. I got drunk and started to cut my own hair. My wife managed to fix it. It’s not professional but it’s not awful either. The weather is finally turning the corner here and I hate having shaggy hair
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Post by Dr. T is an alien on May 16, 2020 11:44:32 GMT -5
So I have a question, related to this. I filed for pandemic unemployment and am expecting it to be accepted once they get to my application. The state website it will be taking out both state and federal taxes from what I be getting. I was wondering if I have to pay taxes on it next tax season, or some kind of money to the government because of it? I've never filed for unemployment before and am confused. I don't want to be caught off guard by a surprise charge on my taxes next year. Yes, you will have to pay taxes on it.
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Post by Bang Bang Bart on May 16, 2020 11:52:37 GMT -5
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Post by Rolent Tex on May 16, 2020 13:07:51 GMT -5
A couple lawyers took on a case...pro bono...for the owners of five tourist trap shops down on the Main Street in town. They’re arguing on their behalf that the blockade keeping non locals out is unconstitutional and oof...is one of the lawyers a piece of work. Someone put together a collection of tweets of his discussing the case and he went from talking about how the local government is costing locals all of this money keeping the Covid blockade up to bragging about how when all the locals get foreclosed upon how he’ll buy a second home/vaca rental here for $50,000 and that he would never live near “those people aka locals”. Oh brother. 🤦♂️ I’m sure he’s totally doing this for his concern for the poor locals being ravaged by the pandemic.
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Post by Limity (BLM) on May 16, 2020 13:20:27 GMT -5
A couple lawyers took on a case...pro bono...for the owners of five tourist trap shops down on the Main Street in town. They’re arguing on their behalf that the blockade keeping non locals out is unconstitutional and oof...is one of the lawyers a piece of work. Someone put together a collection of tweets of his discussing the case and he went from talking about how the local government is costing locals all of this money keeping the Covid blockade up to bragging about how when all the locals get foreclosed upon how he’ll buy a second home/vaca rental here for $50,000 and that he would never live near “those people aka locals”. Oh brother. 🤦♂️ I’m sure he’s totally doing this for his concern for the poor locals being ravaged by the pandemic. Maybe we'll finally find out exactly what parts of the Constitution have been violated by these stay at home orders.
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Post by Rolent Tex on May 16, 2020 13:35:27 GMT -5
A couple lawyers took on a case...pro bono...for the owners of five tourist trap shops down on the Main Street in town. They’re arguing on their behalf that the blockade keeping non locals out is unconstitutional and oof...is one of the lawyers a piece of work. Someone put together a collection of tweets of his discussing the case and he went from talking about how the local government is costing locals all of this money keeping the Covid blockade up to bragging about how when all the locals get foreclosed upon how he’ll buy a second home/vaca rental here for $50,000 and that he would never live near “those people aka locals”. Oh brother. 🤦♂️ I’m sure he’s totally doing this for his concern for the poor locals being ravaged by the pandemic. Maybe we'll finally find out exactly what parts of the Constitution have been violated by these stay at home orders. We had a small local protest Monday over the blockade as well (which to no ones surprise, was funded by a local businessman with a lot of money in tourism.) Whats funny about this case is the family suing consists of a local couple and one of their moms that lives elsewhere in Florida. On top of revenue loss from the Covid barricade they’re arguing its unfair mom can’t come visit because the younger woman is pregnant. Only locals can come and go at will all they can visit her at anytime. This young hot shot lawyer doesn’t care about them. He just wants the publicity and the usage of our boat ramps. (Doesn’t matter...he brags he can get in anytime he pleases.)
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Post by HMARK Center on May 16, 2020 13:50:29 GMT -5
A couple lawyers took on a case...pro bono...for the owners of five tourist trap shops down on the Main Street in town. They’re arguing on their behalf that the blockade keeping non locals out is unconstitutional and oof...is one of the lawyers a piece of work. Someone put together a collection of tweets of his discussing the case and he went from talking about how the local government is costing locals all of this money keeping the Covid blockade up to bragging about how when all the locals get foreclosed upon how he’ll buy a second home/vaca rental here for $50,000 and that he would never live near “those people aka locals”. Oh brother. 🤦♂️ I’m sure he’s totally doing this for his concern for the poor locals being ravaged by the pandemic. Maybe we'll finally find out exactly what parts of the Constitution have been violated by these stay at home orders. They're going to argue it's the First Amendment right to peaceful assemblage, but that's easily waved off by the principle behind the due process clause: that no one can be denied life, liberty, or property without due process of the law. And while that's to limit action by the state against individuals, it doesn't change the fact that principle is behind a lot of our jurisprudence, that "your rights end where my nose begins", so wanting to have a big party with tons of people somewhere doesn't have to be permitted if it presents a massive risk to a lot of people's lives and health.
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Post by Cyno on May 16, 2020 13:55:33 GMT -5
Some brats in a town about an hour from here are trying to use that peacefully assemble thing in suing the governor because they can't graduate high school in person.
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Post by hassanchop on May 16, 2020 15:42:20 GMT -5
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Post by Cyno on May 16, 2020 16:57:06 GMT -5
So there's apparently been a big breakthrough made in an antibody-based treatment in California? Dolly Parton has also donated $1 million to a similar effort at Vanderbilt.
Granted, there's still a long way to go before it sees wide distribution, but if this turns out as well as it looks, this could be a light at the end of the tunnel.
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Post by Gus Richlen Was Wrong on May 16, 2020 17:44:24 GMT -5
Maybe we'll finally find out exactly what parts of the Constitution have been violated by these stay at home orders. They're going to argue it's the First Amendment right to peaceful assemblage, but that's easily waved off by the principle behind the due process clause: that no one can be denied life, liberty, or property without due process of the law. And while that's to limit action by the state against individuals, it doesn't change the fact that principle is behind a lot of our jurisprudence, that "your rights end where my nose begins", so wanting to have a big party with tons of people somewhere doesn't have to be permitted if it presents a massive risk to a lot of people's lives and health. It wouldn't work but they could argue that the Constitution prohibits restricting commerce. The reasons it wouldn't work are 1. That applies to Congress, which has done nothing to actually shut anything down and 2. The counter can be made that the states are within their rights since the powers they are using are not given to the Federal government and therefore are powers belonging to the states themselves. ....Social studies was always one of my better subjects.
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Post by HMARK Center on May 16, 2020 17:56:09 GMT -5
They're going to argue it's the First Amendment right to peaceful assemblage, but that's easily waved off by the principle behind the due process clause: that no one can be denied life, liberty, or property without due process of the law. And while that's to limit action by the state against individuals, it doesn't change the fact that principle is behind a lot of our jurisprudence, that "your rights end where my nose begins", so wanting to have a big party with tons of people somewhere doesn't have to be permitted if it presents a massive risk to a lot of people's lives and health. It wouldn't work but they could argue that the Constitution prohibits restricting commerce. The reasons it wouldn't work are 1. That applies to Congress, which has done nothing to actually shut anything down and 2. The counter can be made that the states are within their rights since the powers they are using are not given to the Federal government and therefore are powers belonging to the states themselves. ....Social studies was always one of my better subjects. Bingo: the commerce clause only applies to interstate commerce and oversight by Congress, so if they want to go after governors or mayors they'll have to appeal to state courts.
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Post by Cyno on May 16, 2020 18:01:11 GMT -5
States have a lot of power to do what they please under the US Constitution via the 10th Amendment and other protections unless it's outright forbidden by other articles or amendments in the Constitution. And IIRC, that includes exceptions in cases of states of emergency in both the US and individual state constitutions.
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Post by Mr PONYMANIA Mr Jenzie on May 16, 2020 22:01:49 GMT -5
please tell me someone understands this .....
"Eight more sailors aboard the USS Theodore Roosevelt have tested positive again for the coronavirus, raising to 13 the number who appear to have become infected a second time while serving aboard the sidelined aircraft carrier.
All the sailors had previously tested positive for the virus and had gone through at least two weeks of isolation. Before they were allowed to go back to the ship, all had to test negative twice in a row, with the tests separated by at least a day or two.
On Saturday, a Navy official confirmed eight additional sailors had tested positive again.
A day earlier the Navy had said in a statement that five had tested positive a second time. The Navy official was not authorized to speak publicly and requested anonymity.
That some crew were testing positive again has puzzled officials and raised questions about reintegrating troops into the military if a second infection were possible."
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Post by Deleted on May 16, 2020 22:12:57 GMT -5
please tell me someone understands this ..... "Eight more sailors aboard the USS Theodore Roosevelt have tested positive again for the coronavirus, raising to 13 the number who appear to have become infected a second time while serving aboard the sidelined aircraft carrier. All the sailors had previously tested positive for the virus and had gone through at least two weeks of isolation. Before they were allowed to go back to the ship, all had to test negative twice in a row, with the tests separated by at least a day or two. On Saturday, a Navy official confirmed eight additional sailors had tested positive again. A day earlier the Navy had said in a statement that five had tested positive a second time. The Navy official was not authorized to speak publicly and requested anonymity. That some crew were testing positive again has puzzled officials and raised questions about reintegrating troops into the military if a second infection were possible." It doesn't tell much. It means the sailors tested positive for the virus (which we are finding some types of tests can give false positives, so it would have been helpful to know which test method was used). They were taken off the ship, given 2 weeks, tested twice, coming up negative, then they tested positive for it after having rejoined the ship. This means, that as far as they can tell, they were able to get the virus, recover from the virus, then get the virus again (providing the original positives were accurate). It would seem to indicate that it is possible to get this virus more than once. Though, it doesn't say whether or not subsequent infections would include the same symptoms, or if perhaps light symptoms leave you susceptible to reinfection, or the tests were faulty. It does seem unlikely that the tests would f*** up 8 times, or that all 8 men were light symptom sufferers, or that this is like the Chicken Pox where you can very rarely get it more than once. So...it's not good news, basically, though not a full referendum on the probability of reinfection. Also, remember to cite your sources. www.cnn.com/2020/05/16/politics/uss-theodore-roosevelt-sailors-coronavirus/index.html
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Post by Toilet Paper Roll on May 16, 2020 23:25:03 GMT -5
It’s embarrassing to see how people are reacting to possible safety guidelines at Disney when they reopen parks. People threatening to cancel vacations if they have to wear a mask in the ungodly Florida heat...it’s unacceptable! Which it’s hilarious because they’re saying people will pass out from heat exhaustion...but yet people in full costume parade their happy butts out for families day in and day out. They’ve obviously never had to play the Easter Bunny. I have...those things are brutal and masks are a cakewalk. I mean, Orlando’s average temperature for the next couple months is only 3 degrees higher than here...and as far as I know no one has passed out from mask heat exhaustion. I have a Disney vacation planned for September 1st and am likely to cancel it, not because of restrictions but more or less i dont anticipate a full reopening. We go every couple years for the food and wine festival which ill assume is canceled. I'll also assume they'll have everything reduced. Not interested in spending $8k for half the experience.
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