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Post by The Summer of Muskrat XVII on May 21, 2020 18:55:33 GMT -5
When you say OC isn't a draw, and you name other people, you're just naming people you know. That doesn't make them draws, that just makes them names you know. I think your perspective is one of a person who watches WWE, who knows WWE, who thinks WWE is what is creating draws outside of WWE, but that's not true to other people. To others, OC and Kenny Omega are the draw. And the crowds responses as well as merch sales exhibited that. "triggered", "prancing","cringy and geeky", I think the terminology you're exhibiting shows that maybe the Kenny Omega character may just be someone that doesn't fit into your worldview. But he fits into the world view of many people, including sell out crowds and merch sales in the United States. I can buy his shirt in any mall in the country, so he's obviously someone that "appeals to people outside of Japan." HHH is not and has never been a draw. He is a hand who was put into a position because of his relationship with the McMahon family. i.redd.it/v297ynidzfq31.pngHere is a listing of draws as WWE champion. HHH's HIGHEST drawing period as World Champion is below Diesels. Those are objective facts. It leaves out Triple H’s first world title run, which would surely be near the top (as it was mid-Attitude era). I would really like to examine the raw data and dates used for that graph, but I’m too f***ing lazy to sift through all the WON back issues. It really feels like a lot of that, other then possibly the top few, is out of whack |
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Post by Joe Neglia on May 21, 2020 19:15:18 GMT -5
When you say OC isn't a draw, and you name other people, you're just naming people you know. That doesn't make them draws, that just makes them names you know. I think your perspective is one of a person who watches WWE, who knows WWE, who thinks WWE is what is creating draws outside of WWE, but that's not true to other people. To others, OC and Kenny Omega are the draw. And the crowds responses as well as merch sales exhibited that. "triggered", "prancing","cringy and geeky", I think the terminology you're exhibiting shows that maybe the Kenny Omega character may just be someone that doesn't fit into your worldview. But he fits into the world view of many people, including sell out crowds and merch sales in the United States. I can buy his shirt in any mall in the country, so he's obviously someone that "appeals to people outside of Japan." HHH is not and has never been a draw. He is a hand who was put into a position because of his relationship with the McMahon family. i.redd.it/v297ynidzfq31.pngHere is a listing of draws as WWE champion. HHH's HIGHEST drawing period as World Champion is below Diesels. Those are objective facts. It leaves out Triple H’s first world title run, which would surely be near the top (as it was mid-Attitude era). Not really. Hunter's first reign only lasted 22 days with 13 defenses, only six of which were house shows (the basis of the chart). All of the listings on that chart have at least 10 house shows to their reign. |
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Post by polarbearpete on May 21, 2020 23:07:30 GMT -5
It leaves out Triple H’s first world title run, which would surely be near the top (as it was mid-Attitude era). Not really. Hunter's first reign only lasted 22 days with 13 defenses, only six of which were house shows (the basis of the chart). All of the listings on that chart have at least 10 house shows to their reign. You’re right, I was thinking of his 2nd world title reign, which is surprisingly low on the chart. Edit: actually rereading the Twitter post of the guy who made the chart, he didn’t include any reigns between 1998-2002 except for Austin and Rock. So Triple H’s second reign wouldn’t be on there either. |
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Post by Jonathan Michaels on May 21, 2020 23:49:08 GMT -5
So that chart is kinda worthless if it leaves out four of their biggest years.
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Post by Deleted on May 22, 2020 0:49:33 GMT -5
This video from two years ago was just shared in Wrest, about 20 minutes in it does a wonderful job mapping out the entire Golden Lovers saga. Even if not a fan of Kenny’s you can appreciate what great storytelling it is over 10 years. youtu.be/BQCPj-bGYro |
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Post by Deleted on May 22, 2020 13:49:52 GMT -5
Seriously guys, I'm not his biggest fan, but he legit had the best facial expressions running over a dude in a golfcart two weeks ago, how could you not like the guy?
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Post by autisticgeordie on May 23, 2020 13:28:04 GMT -5
Omega is one of the best in the world and I think that he proves that he can be entertainig as f***, look at his f***ing bonkers anime expression when he was chasing down Sammy on the golf-cart? To me, his appeal is that he's a dude who just loves wrestling and has fun and, while people tend to turn their noses up at that type of character, with Omega, it's highly endearing. He's just a guy who you'd love to hang out with and it just so happens that he can knee your head off. I don't know why people have such an issue with him?
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Post by "Gizzark" Mike Wronglevenay on May 24, 2020 19:38:15 GMT -5
He does have a pumpkin head though.
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Post by Celgress on May 24, 2020 19:55:38 GMT -5
He does have a pumpkin head though. he sure does  |
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