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Post by J Lee O'Brien on May 24, 2020 21:13:09 GMT -5
NFL - Dolphins/Jets/Browns/Bengals/Bears/Lions
MLB - Pirates/Marlins/Padres/Mariners
NHL - Leafs/Coyotes/Panthers
NBA - Knicks/Nets/Kings/Magic/Hawks
Note: I have little to no knowledge of how most of those teams have done recently, I'm going off of who I remember usually sucking out loud.
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Post by thegatewaydrug on May 25, 2020 10:24:02 GMT -5
Saddens me to say it, the Phoenix Suns. Steve Kerr, then waaaayy ahead of the curve, blew Phoenix's chance by trading backwards to get Shaq to lean on Tim Duncan after Horry's flagrant cheapshot in the playoffs prior. Then I stopped watching the NBA for good.
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Post by Cyno on May 25, 2020 15:58:19 GMT -5
Detroit Lions, Washington Racialslurs, and Cincinnati Bengals seem to be in this club. I'd say the Cleveland Browns, but they actually have some promise before it all goes to hell. I don't know which is actually worse.
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Post by fw91 on May 25, 2020 17:34:52 GMT -5
Seemingly every NY team besides The Yankees and Giants are incapable of ever winning a championship.
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Post by Allie Kitsune on May 25, 2020 17:36:23 GMT -5
NHL has a ton of parity, so nobody from there really. I'd say it's probably an MLB team where even the "underdogs" are either high payroll teams (Nationals) or incredibly well-run organizations (Rays, A's). The two that stand out are the Mariners and the Orioles. The Mariners haven't made the playoffs in almost 20 years, and while they have very good prospects in Kelenic and J-Rod, they aren't projected to make the playoffs anytime soon. The O's have a much more uphill climb. They were a playoff team a few times in the past 15 years, but they are just now filling the prospect cupboard and their big league team is just trash. They also have the unenviable task of being in the division with the Sox and Yanks who have bought their way into contention consistently the last 20 years as well as the analytics-savvy Rays who keep fielding good teams. The Jays also are loaded with talented young players. I wouldn't be surprised if they didn't win the division the next 10-12 years, which is not something you can really project in any other sport. Oh, no, the NHL definitely has a No-Hope team. Meet the Buffalo Sabres.
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Post by arrogantmodel on May 25, 2020 18:02:13 GMT -5
NFL - Dolphins/Jets/Browns/Bengals/Bears/Lions MLB - Pirates/Marlins/Padres/Mariners NHL - Leafs/Coyotes/Panthers NBA - Knicks/Nets/Kings/Magic/Hawks Note: I have little to no knowledge of how most of those teams have done recently, I'm going off of who I remember usually sucking out loud. I worked for the Pirates for 3 seasons. They have good players, and Hurdle brought them back to the playoffs. But we are also cursed with an owner who won't put any of his money on the field. PNC Park is always voted one of the top parks, but Bob Nutting won't commit to building and maintaining a winning team. Although, the Buccos have scraped together some winning seasons, and even go on big winning streaks before falling apart in August and September.
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Post by J Lee O'Brien on May 25, 2020 18:06:08 GMT -5
NFL - Dolphins/Jets/Browns/Bengals/Bears/Lions MLB - Pirates/Marlins/Padres/Mariners NHL - Leafs/Coyotes/Panthers NBA - Knicks/Nets/Kings/Magic/Hawks Note: I have little to no knowledge of how most of those teams have done recently, I'm going off of who I remember usually sucking out loud. I worked for the Pirates for 3 seasons. They have good players, and Hurdle brought them back to the playoffs. But we are also cursed with an owner who won't put any of his money on the field. PNC Park is always voted one of the top parks, but Bob Nutting won't commit to building and maintaining a winning team. Although, the Buccos have scraped together some winning seasons, and even go on big winning streaks before falling apart in August and September. Oh, I'm familiar. Born and raised a Pittsburgh fan, but...damn it's hard putting any faith in the Buccos. (Still a fan of them though)
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Post by sfvega on May 26, 2020 7:46:45 GMT -5
NHL has a ton of parity, so nobody from there really. I'd say it's probably an MLB team where even the "underdogs" are either high payroll teams (Nationals) or incredibly well-run organizations (Rays, A's). The two that stand out are the Mariners and the Orioles. The Mariners haven't made the playoffs in almost 20 years, and while they have very good prospects in Kelenic and J-Rod, they aren't projected to make the playoffs anytime soon. The O's have a much more uphill climb. They were a playoff team a few times in the past 15 years, but they are just now filling the prospect cupboard and their big league team is just trash. They also have the unenviable task of being in the division with the Sox and Yanks who have bought their way into contention consistently the last 20 years as well as the analytics-savvy Rays who keep fielding good teams. The Jays also are loaded with talented young players. I wouldn't be surprised if they didn't win the division the next 10-12 years, which is not something you can really project in any other sport. Oh, no, the NHL definitely has a No-Hope team. Meet the Buffalo Sabres. Buffalo was a very good franchise until they came under new ownership, and even still have a star player (who could jet soon if they don't get their act together), one of the best young D men in the last 10 years, and who will get another top 10 pick forward this season in addition to Cozens who I think is really good. But the point being, the climb to contention is very much shorter in the NHL. Look at Vegas. Look at how well Vancouver, Philly, Colorado, and Carolina have turned around their franchises. Fates change quickly in the NHL. As well as it taking into account that having no hope would mean a long string poor teams. Buffalo the past 22 seasons has 4 ECF appearances and one SC Final, that was won on a controversial goal. Depressing, yeah. But compared to other franchises in other sports, hardly hopeless.
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on May 26, 2020 8:40:28 GMT -5
Knicks - In my nearly 30 year life span they were good when I was a kid in parts of the 90s and then as a teenager and adult they've had one really good season which was a few years ago and that was only one season. With that management you can't trust a damn thing no matter who they bring in because it goes to shit within 3 seasons
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Post by Push R Truth on May 26, 2020 12:02:28 GMT -5
Knicks - In my nearly 30 year life span they were good when I was a kid in parts of the 90s and then as a teenager and adult they've had one really good season which was a few years ago and that was only one season. With that management you can't trust a damn thing no matter who they bring in because it goes to shit within 3 seasons That's my main reason to listing the Knicks. They are a poisonous franchise starting at the very top. I'm convinced the Knicks could have Roster Swapped with the Prime Golden State Warriors and not even made the Conference Finals due to some bullshit happening off the court. I disagree with people listing the Browns as "No Hope". Right now they actually have hope. There are many Browns fans looking forward to the coming year. Bengals have a little hope... maybe. Marlins? Yeah I don't even think the PR people working for the Marlins are looking forward to trying to get people fired up for that hawt Marlin's ACTION! The only hope they have seems to be seeing the visiting team play. NHL feels like it has some real balance. I'd argue even the worst looking team couple make the playoffs, and that's basically the definition of hope in sports.
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Post by Johnny B. Decent on May 26, 2020 12:20:25 GMT -5
I don't understand how anyone can be a fan of the Detroit Lions. There are no real good memories of....anything. Ever. It's just been decade after decade of failure.
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Post by OVO 40 hunched over like he 80 on May 26, 2020 13:17:14 GMT -5
The New York Knicks are worse than an expansion team and deserve to be relocated.
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Post by Cyno on May 26, 2020 14:46:07 GMT -5
The New York Knicks are worse than an expansion team and deserve to be relocated. And yet they're still the most valuable team in the NBA so there's no way the NBA would ever allow them to be relocated. Go figure. Hell, the only way I can see James Dolan even selling the team is if he's caught being racist like Donald Sterling was.
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Post by DiBiase is Good on May 26, 2020 14:58:28 GMT -5
Saddens me to say it, the Phoenix Suns. Steve Kerr, then waaaayy ahead of the curve, blew Phoenix's chance by trading backwards to get Shaq to lean on Tim Duncan after Horry's flagrant cheapshot in the playoffs prior. Then I stopped watching the NBA for good. It’s still one of the stupidest decisions ever. We have a fast moving offensive game that is capable of blowing away just about any team. Let’s trade a huge part of that away for an over-the-hill, injury prone, lazy, big guy.
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Post by Tenshigure on May 26, 2020 15:28:48 GMT -5
Didn't the Mets make the World Series in the last decade though? I want to say it was 2015...hardly "No Hope" if I say so. Knicks - In my nearly 30 year life span they were good when I was a kid in parts of the 90s and then as a teenager and adult they've had one really good season which was a few years ago and that was only one season. With that management you can't trust a damn thing no matter who they bring in because it goes to shit within 3 seasons I don't follow the NBA (or most pro sports), but knowing that the jackass that owns that team (Dolan?) ran freaking Spike Lee of all superfans out the building tell you all you need to know where their priorities are.
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Post by cabbageboy on May 26, 2020 15:39:40 GMT -5
See, I think it has to be someone that just never does anything at all. The Knicks at least have made the Finals twice in my lifetime. They suck now, but given the NY market it's possible they won't forever if decent management is in place. There are other no hope NBA teams that aren't even interesting or exciting, just no chance. The Atlanta Hawks have always just been a....team. Sometimes they suck, sometimes they make the playoffs, but they never have a real chance to do much. The Washington Wizards are another team in that vein. They just always kinda suck but not in a memorable way. The last time they won anything was before I was born, 1978. The Charlotte Hornets/Bobcats/Hornets are typically marginal as well, with no real chance. I toyed with the idea of the T'Wolves as well but at least they had some good years when Garnett was there.
The the NFL the easy answer is of course the Browns, but they're almost too notable. The Bengals really shouldn't be on the list given they made the playoffs 6 out of 7 years from 2009-15, and went 12-4 in 2015. The Lions are far biggers jobbers, as are the Redskins.
MLB is weirder because teams can just get hot for a few years and then things fizzle away for small market teams. This happened with the Royals and on a lesser level the Pirates as well. The Marlins somehow won 2 WS so in theory they could maybe get something going again, though does anyone even want to see it? They drew about 10,000 a game last year and I used to go to Louisville Redbirds games in the 1980s/90s with a lot more people than that. The Padres are just a boring, lifeless team seemingly incapable of seriously contending. The ballpark is a dead zone for hitters. The Rays are a weirder case than anyone though, a quality 96 win team that just can't draw (avg. 14,500 last year). FL is a lousy state for baseball, with too many transplanted northerners to really get anyone interested. So really the Rays are a team that has a chance but they don't have a chance either.
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Post by arrogantmodel on May 26, 2020 18:30:15 GMT -5
The Browns' fans can be hopeful all they want. As soon as OBJ starts crying and Baker goes Ryan Leaf on the field and on any little criticism of him again, they're going to accomplish two things: Jack and Shit. And Jack just got traded to a good team. 😁
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on May 26, 2020 21:58:54 GMT -5
The New York Knicks are worse than an expansion team and deserve to be relocated. And yet they're still the most valuable team in the NBA so there's no way the NBA would ever allow them to be relocated. Go figure. Hell, the only way I can see James Dolan even selling the team is if he's caught being racist like Donald Sterling was. Yea people can hate on the Knicks all they want but they still sell out and are the most valuable franchise in the nba. Just the ownership sucks
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Post by Cyno on May 26, 2020 22:13:34 GMT -5
And yet they're still the most valuable team in the NBA so there's no way the NBA would ever allow them to be relocated. Go figure. Hell, the only way I can see James Dolan even selling the team is if he's caught being racist like Donald Sterling was. Yea people can hate on the Knicks all they want but they still sell out and are the most valuable franchise in the nba. Just the ownership sucks The new leadership at the top also seems like they've got good heads on their shoulders with some of the quiet hires they've made in the impromptu offseason in front office roles. Dolan's a clown, but it also sounds like he's been hands off with how the team is actually run day-to-day for the last few years. The only other common thread in the Knicks' incompetence is Steve Mills and he's (finally) gone. They'll probably suck more in the short-term because short of landing a Lebron-caliber player in the draft, rebuilds are long term projects.
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on May 26, 2020 22:23:07 GMT -5
Yea people can hate on the Knicks all they want but they still sell out and are the most valuable franchise in the nba. Just the ownership sucks The new leadership at the top also seems like they've got good heads on their shoulders with some of the quiet hires they've made in the impromptu offseason in front office roles. Dolan's a clown, but it also sounds like he's been hands off with how the team is actually run day-to-day for the last few years. The only other common thread in the Knicks' incompetence is Steve Mills and he's (finally) gone. They'll probably suck more in the short-term because short of landing a Lebron-caliber player in the draft, rebuilds are long term projects. Yeah I’ve liked what they have done. No splashy hires outside of bringing in Rose to oversee everything. They just need to stick to the rebuild and not get antsy.
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