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Lance
May 25, 2020 17:55:52 GMT -5
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Post by arrogantmodel on May 25, 2020 17:55:52 GMT -5
Anybody watch this shit last night?
I watched a little bit, but my god...Armstrong is such a douchebag. I really don't care about doping and cycling. Everybody did it. Whatever. But man, Lance just has to lie and blame everybody else.
This is a really weak follow up to The Last Dance.
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Lance
May 25, 2020 19:02:57 GMT -5
Post by Terry McConkey on May 25, 2020 19:02:57 GMT -5
What's next? A 10 hour documentary on Tom Brady? Oh wait, that's a real thing?
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May 25, 2020 20:26:55 GMT -5
Post by XIII on May 25, 2020 20:26:55 GMT -5
I’m just in for the Bruce Lee one, even thought History channel already did an awesome one called “How Bruce Lee Changed the World” like 10 or so years ago.
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Lance
May 26, 2020 22:19:02 GMT -5
Post by cabbageboy on May 26, 2020 22:19:02 GMT -5
I tried watching some of this but it's tough to spend this much time with a disgraced scumbag. See, with Jordan you have a flawed individual that people still admire overall. With Lance you have a discredited sleaze that no one really admires anymore.
That said, I will definitely watch the McGwire/Sosa episode.
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May 26, 2020 22:44:23 GMT -5
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Post by sfvega on May 26, 2020 22:44:23 GMT -5
ESPN has obviously run out of good ideas for docs. Not sure if this is even in the 30 for 30 umbrella, but the later 30 for 30s were also notably scraping the bottom of the barrel. Lance isn't a super complicated story. He gets cancer, beats it, then dopes his butt off to the top of the sport that is already rife with doping. He's like a Barry Bonds amongst McGwires and Clemens'. Then again, they have to be really hard up for content if they're pushing a cycling doc on what was previously the Last Dance timeslot. What else would you put there?
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May 29, 2020 13:22:42 GMT -5
Post by Mecca on May 29, 2020 13:22:42 GMT -5
I watched the first part and I came away thinking he seems like a pretty normal dude, he admits to doping very early in his career before the cancer stuff. I think people just built him up as this icon when he was in a sport where doping is just what you do.
The biggest view I have on it is that he did a ton of stuff with his charity to help people with cancer so him cheating at bicycle riding isn't going to move my meter, he did a lot of great stuff to help people.
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May 29, 2020 13:42:34 GMT -5
Post by Fundertaker on May 29, 2020 13:42:34 GMT -5
He was a pompous ass to everyone even before admitting (allegations were always there), even in races.
Heck, I'll never forget one time in the Tour (easy to remember as he barely did anything else of note the rest of the season) he and then young and completely unimportant Italian rider Michelle Scarponi had a beef due to some comments Scarponi made about Armstrong alluding to doping (spoilers: he was also doing it under the same doctor at the time). Scarponi went for the break and Armstrong was yellow jersey with minutes ahead of the 2nd place at the time (because of course he was), so what did mr. Armstrong decided to do? He went for the break as well. When the peloton noticed he was in the break, all the teams with general classification started to persue in force and the break's advantage was dwindling quickly. Armstrong basically told everyone in the break that either Scarponi went back to the peloton or they would get caught and all their efforts would be for naught. All because of a comment that, looking back, was 100% true.
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May 29, 2020 14:17:45 GMT -5
Post by Mecca on May 29, 2020 14:17:45 GMT -5
He was a pompous ass to everyone even before admitting (allegations were always there), even in races. Heck, I'll never forget one time in the Tour (easy to remember as he barely did anything else of note the rest of the season) he and then young and completely unimportant Italian rider Michelle Scarponi had a beef due to some comments Scarponi made about Armstrong alluding to doping (spoilers: he was also doing it under the same doctor at the time). Scarponi went for the break and Armstrong was yellow jersey with minutes ahead of the 2nd place at the time (because of course he was), so what did mr. Armstrong decided to do? He went for the break as well. When the peloton noticed he was in the break, all the teams with general classification started to persue in force and the break's advantage was dwindling quickly. Armstrong basically told everyone in the break that either Scarponi went back to the peloton or they would get caught and all their efforts would be for naught. All because of a comment that, looking back, was 100% true. Generally when something threatens you're livelihood people will respond with a lot of venom. I do think it's great that the cyclists would allude to others doping when they were all doing it. I guess at the end of the day, the dude lied but his lie raised nearly 500 million dollars for cancer, so I will take his lie and say it was worth it.
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Jun 1, 2020 15:45:47 GMT -5
Post by BRV on Jun 1, 2020 15:45:47 GMT -5
Generally when something threatens you're livelihood people will respond with a lot of venom. I do think it's great that the cyclists would allude to others doping when they were all doing it. I guess at the end of the day, the dude lied but his lie raised nearly 500 million dollars for cancer, so I will take his lie and say it was worth it.That's what I keep coming back to on Lance Armstrong. Did he cheat? Absolutely he did. Did he try to burn every person who ever crossed him? Sure did. But did he do an incredible amount of good for the world? There's absolutely no denying that. I'll take a guy who's a cheater and a dick 23 hours a day if he's spending the other one hour a day raising nearly $500 million for his fight against cancer and helping nearly 3 million cancer survivors with free patient navigation services. Athletically he's a scam artist, but as a humanitarian, he's still a hero.
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