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Post by Feargus McReddit on May 29, 2020 19:17:57 GMT -5
F*** that Rumble match. Seriously. Like, one segment of an empty ring you can get (hell, it was effective for Corbin's run at the 2018 Rumble) but two?! And both of the times weren’t even because the guy was eliminated by someone else? Like...Christ. And sorry, you can have a match consist of one overarching plot without making almost the entirety of your roster look unimportant and insignificant in the grand scheme of it. That and 2015 were both examples of “How to make your roster look like goobers in 60 minutes or less”. How would you make that Rumble roster look important? How many actual sharks are in there? I know that in '99, the jobbers were as over as main eventers are now, but how many legitimate sharks are actually in that match? 1. Stone Cold 2. Kane 3. Shamrock 4. Charitably, Owen Hart? It’s less about that and more about, for me anyway, the Royal Rumble is an opportunity to flesh out stories and rivalries you can use later on to build towards matches or even build characters. Along with that, you can make genuinely memorable moments that can 1992 is an easy example but the moments are there; Randy Savage darting like a canon towards Jake Roberts, who was constantly watching out for him the entire time, Ric Flair coming out at number 3 and winning, Roddy Piper’s potential quest to become the first double champion in WWF history (leading to a match with Bret Hart), Sid Vicious eliminating Hogan (leading to their match at WrestleMania), they’re all what made that Rumble great and a reason why it’s one of the best, if not the best. 1999 had Austin/McMahon but...that’s all it had. Nothing else in the match mattered, no other angle or person really mattered. It was blatant the other 28 guys were going to be gone and Austin and Vince were going the distance. The commentary only spoke about those two and...yeah. That’s one of the reasons that makes it bad. Another being, again, having two separate 60 second segments of nobody in the ring, for a Royal Rumble, is downright inexcusable.
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Post by adamclark52 on May 30, 2020 12:00:06 GMT -5
Even Chyna as the first woman in a Royal Rumble meant jack shit, which is still better than a self-serving PR stunt like it would be today.
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Post by Feargus McReddit on May 30, 2020 12:05:57 GMT -5
Even Chyna as the first woman in a Royal Rumble meant jack shit, which is still better than a self-serving PR stunt like it would be today. I disagree with your last point but to your first, they built that thing up heavily. They had that whole DX vs. Corporate Royal Rumble for the 30th spot, had Chyna come in and wreck shop to get that and all of it just lead to completely nothing.
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Post by adamclark52 on May 30, 2020 12:36:23 GMT -5
Even Chyna as the first woman in a Royal Rumble meant jack shit, which is still better than a self-serving PR stunt like it would be today. I disagree with your last point but to your first, they built that thing up heavily. They had that whole DX vs. Corporate Royal Rumble for the 30th spot, had Chyna come in and wreck shop to get that and all of it just lead to completely nothing. She was in it for 0:35 and eliminated one person. I don’t remember who but chances are it was a nobody.
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Post by Display Name on May 30, 2020 13:14:08 GMT -5
My buddies and I can be seen holding a “Corporate Section” sign during the opening few seconds.
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Post by chrom on May 30, 2020 13:29:22 GMT -5
I disagree with your last point but to your first, they built that thing up heavily. They had that whole DX vs. Corporate Royal Rumble for the 30th spot, had Chyna come in and wreck shop to get that and all of it just lead to completely nothing. She was in it for 0:35 and eliminated one person. I don’t remember who but chances are it was a nobody. Mark Henry
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Post by adamclark52 on May 30, 2020 14:17:06 GMT -5
She was in it for 0:35 and eliminated one person. I don’t remember who but chances are it was a nobody. Mark Henry I was thinking that Was the what kicked off the Sexual Chocolate angle?
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Post by Feargus McReddit on May 30, 2020 14:27:12 GMT -5
I was thinking that Was the what kicked off the Sexual Chocolate angle? Think so.
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Post by sungod2020 on May 30, 2020 19:28:28 GMT -5
I was thinking that Was the what kicked off the Sexual Chocolate angle? No, the Sexual Chocolate character started about a month earlier. They even did the whole Sammie thing by then. That said, even though I enjoyed the event and match at the time(I was an uber mark back then), it certainly didn't age well. Like many here said, too many one guy at a time spots and it centered around one angle. Also, besides Austin and McMahon, the first 10 or so entrants were guys who the fans didn't care about. They saved the ones that mattered until the very end. At least distribute the roster better throughout the match. I should do a thread one day on re-booking it. It should be rather interesting.
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Post by Feargus McReddit on May 30, 2020 19:34:18 GMT -5
I was thinking that Was the what kicked off the Sexual Chocolate angle? No, the Sexual Chocolate character started about a month earlier. They even did the whole Sammie thing by then. That said, even though I enjoyed the event and match at the time(I was an uber mark back then), it certainly didn't age well. Like many here said, too many one guy at a time spots and it centered around one angle. Also, besides Austin and McMahon, the first 10 or so entrants were guys who the fans didn't care about. They saved the ones that mattered until the very end. At least distribute the roster better throughout the match. I should do a thread one day on re-booking it. It should be rather interesting. Yeah, even something like 2015 had a first 10 that included somewhat over people like Bryan and Ryder and a couple of surprise entrants in Bubba Ray and the Boogeyman. Who came out at 3 in 1999? Golga. God bless John Tenta but... Golga?!
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Post by Ben Wyatt on May 31, 2020 8:02:53 GMT -5
As bad as 2015 was, and it was bad, 99 was absolutely atrocious. Any love for that Rumble is purely rose colored glasses
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Post by Duke Cameron on May 31, 2020 8:24:02 GMT -5
Remember getting a tshirt with the poster design on it when I ordered the PPV.
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Post by Eunös ✈ on May 31, 2020 8:39:08 GMT -5
The 2015 Rumble was a master piece compared to this mess.
Glad I wasnt watching at the time.
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Post by sungod2020 on May 31, 2020 13:13:01 GMT -5
As bad as 2015 was, and it was bad, 99 was absolutely atrocious. Any love for that Rumble is purely rose colored glasses Maybe it's just me, but I thought 2015 was worse. While the 99 Rumble centered around one storyline, the 2015 one was all about Roman's big moment that nobody wanted. At least the fans were invested in the Austin/McMahon feud. Not only was the match about putting Reigns over, it also buried guys the fans cared about(Ambrose, Ziggler, and most notably Daniel Bryan) by having them eliminated in quick AND easy fashion. So if anything, it was like telling the audience "f*** you, Roman's our guy and that's that." Hell, the fans were chanting "We want refunds!" and "Rusev." The 1999 Rumble might've been badly booked, but the 2015 Rumble was a blatant insult to those who dare wanted anybody besides their hand-picked chosen one.
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Post by Feargus McReddit on May 31, 2020 13:19:26 GMT -5
As bad as 2015 was, and it was bad, 99 was absolutely atrocious. Any love for that Rumble is purely rose colored glasses Maybe it's just me, but I thought 2015 was worse. While the 99 Rumble centered around one storyline, the 2015 one was all about Roman's big moment that nobody wanted. At least the fans were invested in the Austin/McMahon feud. Not only was the match about putting Reigns over, it also buried guys the fans cared about(Ambrose, Ziggler, and most notably Daniel Bryan) by having them eliminated in quick AND easy fashion. So if anything, it was like telling the audience "f*** you, Roman's our guy and that's that." Hell, the fans were chanting "We want refunds!" and "Rusev." The 1999 Rumble might've been badly booked, but the 2015 Rumble was a blatant insult to those who dare wanted anybody besides their hand-picked chosen one. They're both bad in different ways, frankly. In terms of 2015, it didn't even put Roman over. The Show/Kane duo who dominated everyone else was beaten due to both of them fighting each other near the end, he needed The Rock to help him after he was ambushed and Rusev wasn't exactly 100% when he was getting back in there so even if the job was to make Roman into your big star going into WM, they f***ed that up along with f***ing over the rest of your roster except two Attitude Era dudes. And to say 1999 was badly booked is putting it mildly. It was there to make you not care about anyone outside of Austin and McMahon, there were periods of either nobody or one person being in the ring for minutes at a time and the fact Vince won it, regardless of reasoning or logic, was the "Vince Russo wins the WCW title" before it was a thing, partially because Vince then won the WWF title 8 months later.
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Post by thegame415 on Jun 1, 2020 12:53:55 GMT -5
F*** that Rumble match. Seriously. Like, one segment of an empty ring you can get (hell, it was effective for Corbin's run at the 2018 Rumble) but two?! And both of the times weren’t even because the guy was eliminated by someone else? Like...Christ. And sorry, you can have a match consist of one overarching plot without making almost the entirety of your roster look unimportant and insignificant in the grand scheme of it. That and 2015 were both examples of “How to make your roster look like goobers in 60 minutes or less”. How would you make that Rumble roster look important? How many actual sharks are in there? I know that in '99, the jobbers were as over as main eventers are now, but how many legitimate sharks are actually in that match? 1. Stone Cold 2. Kane 3. Shamrock 4. Charitably, Owen Hart? I think John Tenta was Golga at this time, not the Shark.
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Post by "Gizzark" Mike Wronglevenay on Jun 1, 2020 13:59:47 GMT -5
How would you make that Rumble roster look important? How many actual sharks are in there? I know that in '99, the jobbers were as over as main eventers are now, but how many legitimate sharks are actually in that match? 1. Stone Cold 2. Kane 3. Shamrock 4. Charitably, Owen Hart? I think John Tenta was Golga at this time, not the Shark. I'm gonna say shark a few more times! It's a free country! I can do that it I like! SHARK!
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Post by ANuclearError on Jun 1, 2020 14:31:33 GMT -5
No, the Sexual Chocolate character started about a month earlier. They even did the whole Sammie thing by then. That said, even though I enjoyed the event and match at the time(I was an uber mark back then), it certainly didn't age well. Like many here said, too many one guy at a time spots and it centered around one angle. Also, besides Austin and McMahon, the first 10 or so entrants were guys who the fans didn't care about. They saved the ones that mattered until the very end. At least distribute the roster better throughout the match. I should do a thread one day on re-booking it. It should be rather interesting. Yeah, even something like 2015 had a first 10 that included somewhat over people like Bryan and Ryder and a couple of surprise entrants in Bubba Ray and the Boogeyman. Who came out at 3 in 1999? Golga. God bless John Tenta but...Golga?!To be fair, it did give us the shot of the fans in the front row waving their arms behind Austin & Vince in the ring. Highlight of the Rumble that.
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Post by Feargus McReddit on Jun 1, 2020 15:06:28 GMT -5
Yeah, even something like 2015 had a first 10 that included somewhat over people like Bryan and Ryder and a couple of surprise entrants in Bubba Ray and the Boogeyman. Who came out at 3 in 1999? Golga. God bless John Tenta but...Golga?!To be fair, it did give us the shot of the fans in the front row waving their arms behind Austin & Vince in the ring. Highlight of the Rumble that. ...that’s fair.
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Post by Toilet Paper Roll on Jun 2, 2020 8:40:27 GMT -5
Late teenage me loved everything wrestling in 1999 and I remember being disappointed by this
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