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Post by Deleted on Jun 18, 2020 19:07:04 GMT -5
Between Marty, Ryan and the NXT UK guys named that's huge black eyes coming for 4 of the top 5 promotions in the US, WWE (like they need more bad press), Impact, ROH and NWA (Marty is booker for and in the top faction in the former and was due to compete for the latter's World title before Covid) Jimmy Havoc too. Every major US promotion had someone named today.
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Post by YAKMAN is ICHIBAN on Jun 18, 2020 19:14:19 GMT -5
In America, it varies from state to state. For example, in my state of Indiana, it's 16, although there's a bunch of rules regarding consent and the age between people. The long and short of it, though, is... why? Here in America we have federal laws that supercede state laws, 18 is the legal age. My question is for UK citizens Edit: as for why, im not touching that. That’s not right. Age of consent is by state, ranging from 16 to 18. Details vary. Some things implicate federal law like transmitting pornography using the internet, enticing a minor using the internet, etc. Not that it really matters to the discussion at hand. I just don’t want people to have the wrong idea about the law. Have we settled on a “-gate” type name for this exploding scandal yet? I nominate MeTooMania. Or Dark Side of the Ring: Season 3
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Post by dablueboy on Jun 18, 2020 19:18:24 GMT -5
Between Marty, Ryan and the NXT UK guys named that's huge black eyes coming for 4 of the top 5 promotions in the US, WWE (like they need more bad press), Impact, ROH and NWA (Marty is booker for and in the top faction in the former and was due to compete for the latter's World title before Covid) Jimmy Havoc too. Every major US promotion had someone named today. Oh for god's sake really?
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Post by Deleted on Jun 18, 2020 19:21:19 GMT -5
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Post by Heeltown, USA on Jun 18, 2020 19:22:42 GMT -5
I went ahead and liked this. Free of gender classification Ive known 17 year olds more mature than 35 year olds. Ive first hand seen people build their lives up from nothing and make something of themselves by legal age while Ive concurrently seen trust fund babies 15 years their senior treat life like the cup never ends. We live in an age of acceptance and tolerance and while no means is predatory behavior acceptable, specifically and especially, to a minor, if a pair of individuals of legal consenting age willingly enter into a physical relationship, it really isn’t my place nor anyone’s to try and disqualify that. Actually, it's my place to disqualify you from posting shit like that in this thread. That goes for anyone else, too. We do not need devil's advocating for this. No one is devils advocating for inappropriate contact with a minor. I thought that was clear. Thats not what was trying to be expressed and I apologize if anyone construed it as such. Its not. The conversation I have been having in this thread is a much more broad one, that being of acceptance and a call to not judge others on what could very well be legal contact , social stigma included. If you don’t feel this is the forum to have said conversation you are well within your rights to feel so and censor as needed but given the world climate, I hope you wouldn’t feel the need to.
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Post by dablueboy on Jun 18, 2020 19:25:48 GMT -5
Well that'll be the end of Superbad Squad then, can't see Khan turning a blind eye to something like that
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Post by XIII on Jun 18, 2020 19:26:41 GMT -5
Can’t figure out which sex abuse thread to post in so I’ll just put it here:
I wish that I could say that I’m surprised but wrestling has always attracted various levels of weirdos and deviants, combine that with a younger fan base, ease of access to the wrestlers by the fans and the fans by the wrestlers, and on the fringes of the shady AF entertainment industry and I’m surprised that it has taken this long for the floodgates to open.
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Post by octopus on Jun 18, 2020 19:28:46 GMT -5
Jimmy Havoc too. Every major US promotion had someone named today. Oh for god's sake really? I NEVER defend abusers, however Havoc has big mental health and alcohol issues (See scrap with Excalibur). Its still abuse. But if they fire him, they are frightened as to what may happen if nobody is watching him.
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Jun 18, 2020 19:32:40 GMT -5
Wrestling is a nasty f***ing business. Shit you do in life will come back to haunt you, can never process how these people think they are going to get away with this type of shit. Whether it be 5,10, 20 years etc.. the day someone gets the courage to speak up and it is true, you are f***ed
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Post by This Player Hating Mothman on Jun 18, 2020 19:36:39 GMT -5
Actually, it's my place to disqualify you from posting shit like that in this thread. That goes for anyone else, too. We do not need devil's advocating for this. No one is devils advocating for inappropriate contact with a minor. I thought that was clear. Thats not what was trying to be expressed and I apologize if anyone construed it as such. Its not. The conversation I have been having in this thread is a much more broader one, that being of acceptance and a call to not judge others on what could very well be legal contact , social stigma included. If you don’t feel this is the forum to have said conversation you are well within your rights to feel so and censor as needed but given the world climate, I hope you wouldn’t feel the need to. No it needs to be judged. It's not okay. Nothing can make it okay, there is a biological issue with age because minors' brains are not developed, and you don't actually finish maturign mentally on a provable, biological level until you are in your 20s. An adult much older than that is not doing anything that is acceptable and this is gross, this whole concept is gross, and trying to play some weird-ass censorship guilt thing is also gross.
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Post by Mozenrath on Jun 18, 2020 19:37:30 GMT -5
Oh for god's sake really? I NEVER defend abusers, however Havoc has big mental health and alcohol issues (See scrap with Excalibur). Its still abuse. But if they fire him, they are frightened as to what may happen if nobody is watching him. Right. Havoc's a case where I think firing him, at least at this moment, is very dangerous, not the least which reason being he lives in the US and could get deported for it, so he'd be that much more put in a cornered position. I hope very much that he's either already getting help after the Excalibur incident or is going to be getting help, because I do not want him harming himself or others.
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Post by octopus on Jun 18, 2020 19:39:03 GMT -5
I NEVER defend abusers, however Havoc has big mental health and alcohol issues (See scrap with Excalibur). Its still abuse. But if they fire him, they are frightened as to what may happen if nobody is watching him. Right. Havoc's a case where I think firing him, at least at this moment, is very dangerous, not the least which reason being he lives in the US and could get deported for it, so he'd be that much more put in a cornered position. I hope very much that he's either already getting help after the Excalibur incident or is going to be getting help, because I do not want him harming himself or others. I remember a fan asked him why he does the deathmatches, he replied with "it makes self harm less obvious".
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Post by Heeltown, USA on Jun 18, 2020 19:50:25 GMT -5
No one is devils advocating for inappropriate contact with a minor. I thought that was clear. Thats not what was trying to be expressed and I apologize if anyone construed it as such. Its not. The conversation I have been having in this thread is a much more broader one, that being of acceptance and a call to not judge others on what could very well be legal contact , social stigma included. If you don’t feel this is the forum to have said conversation you are well within your rights to feel so and censor as needed but given the world climate, I hope you wouldn’t feel the need to. No it needs to be judged. It's not okay. Nothing can make it okay, there is a biological issue with age because minors' brains are not developed, and you don't actually finish maturign mentally on a provable, biological level until you are in your 20s. An adult much older than that is not doing anything that is acceptable and this is gross, this whole concept is gross, and trying to play some weird-ass censorship guilt thing is also gross. I would ask no further of anyone on this forum than to read my initial post in this thread to understand my personal viewpoint on the subject. I appreciate your post, even with it’s laced hostility towards me, because it expresses a mindset pertinent to the conversation. The more voices speaking the better.
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Post by Fake Jesus on Jun 18, 2020 20:25:39 GMT -5
Here in America we have federal laws that supercede state laws, 18 is the legal age. My question is for UK citizens Edit: as for why, im not touching that. That’s not right. Age of consent is by state, ranging from 16 to 18. Details vary. Some things implicate federal law like transmitting pornography using the internet, enticing a minor using the internet, etc. Not that it really matters to the discussion at hand. I just don’t want people to have the wrong idea about the law. Have we settled on a “-gate” type name for this exploding scandal yet? I nominate MeTooMania. Or Dark Side of the Ring: Season 3 Starrgate.
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Post by the2ndevil on Jun 18, 2020 20:45:24 GMT -5
That’s not right. Age of consent is by state, ranging from 16 to 18. Details vary. Some things implicate federal law like transmitting pornography using the internet, enticing a minor using the internet, etc. Not that it really matters to the discussion at hand. I just don’t want people to have the wrong idea about the law. Have we settled on a “-gate” type name for this exploding scandal yet? I nominate MeTooMania. Or Dark Side of the Ring: Season 3 Starrgate. *Slow Clap*
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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on Jun 18, 2020 20:59:40 GMT -5
So who woulda thought that The Pandemic wasn't gonna be the thing that took the complete piss to wrestling this year? Cause holy sweet jesus, this is absolute madness. This affects more than just wrestlers if true. Marty's the head booker of ROH and was on a fast track to big things and Joey Ryan runs BAR Wrestling which books a lot of talent as well. This is just awful on many accounts.
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Post by "Magic" Mark Hurr on Jun 19, 2020 0:30:48 GMT -5
I'm just now getting caught up on all of this madness. Holy shit.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 19, 2020 0:50:25 GMT -5
Remember when everyone thought that nXt UK was going to hurt the british indies when in reality, what going to hurt the british indies is that half of the talent are complete shitheads?
I feel sorry for all the victims that are involved with this mess.
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Post by Welfare Willis on Jun 19, 2020 1:01:44 GMT -5
Hell, I'm trying to catch up on the allegiations now. I feel for the victims. I only wish the reports came out sooner because who knows what could have happened between when metoo started rolling and now.
But we see what can happen when one person begins to speak out.
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Post by lucas_lee on Jun 19, 2020 1:48:25 GMT -5
This Jimmy Havoc one seems like much more of a case of "Jimmy Havoc probably needs psychiatric help" than it is "Jimmy Havoc is a scumbag that should be outed." The woman who posted about him says he never physically harmed her, but he was emotionally abusive. A lot of what she then explained was just describing how he has issues, depression, etc. and he would take it out on her. Sucks, yes. Shouldn't happen, of course. But after being in a 3 year relationship with him, and knowing he has been suicidal at times in the past, publicly shaming him across social media platforms maybe wasn't the most helpful/wise way to handle that one. If his abuse was enough to drive her to drugs and alcohol she has every right to name and shame him. From what I read she was put through hell by him and even if he's mentally I'll, it doesn't excuse his behavior because he caused another person to go down mentally as well
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