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Post by Malibu Albino on Jun 20, 2020 12:21:14 GMT -5
The statement could have been worded better but was also not much different than the same statements all the other companies have been making. I think it is totally fine to send a man with a clear substance abuse problems to rehabilitation and assess his status with the company after that. It gives him time to potentially get better and the company time to see what comes out about him and assess it. I vastly prefer it to cutting the guy and then just hoping he doesn’t hurt himself or others afterward.
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Post by lucas_lee on Jun 20, 2020 13:26:47 GMT -5
Yeah, "get this guy some help" and "he needs to face consequences for his actions" are not mutually exclusive ideas. Yea, if he's banging his head against the wall then he knows what happen was wrong and while mental illness can be blamed that doesn't negate the act He should and will get help but if he did what he's accused of he needs to pay for it as well That's my view on it too. His mental illness shouldn't get him off Scott free he still caused a lot of physical and mental damage towards people and he should answer for it
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Post by chrom on Jun 20, 2020 13:32:03 GMT -5
The statement could have been worded better but was also not much different than the same statements all the other companies have been making. I think it is totally fine to send a man with a clear substance abuse problems to rehabilitation and assess his status with the company after that. It gives him time to potentially get better and the company time to see what comes out about him and assess it. I vastly prefer it to cutting the guy and then just hoping he doesn’t hurt himself or others afterward. Yeah send him to get help so he can get his head straight and decide what to do during that time. They may decide to bring him back in six months or a year or so if he's good. If they up and fired him now, he'd likely go on a rampage and do something potentially fatal to others or himself.
Of course, that's if Havoc is willing to get help and go to rehab.
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Post by mikeoldmac on Jun 20, 2020 16:58:46 GMT -5
no condemning of actions, no acknowledging victims, no saying they will fire people if allegations are true.... just trying to get people to wish him well on twitter
people bravey speak out and company do that.
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Post by Cyno on Jun 20, 2020 17:10:22 GMT -5
"We are evaluating his status in our company" is PR Speak for "we'll fire him if the allegations have merit." JSYK
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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on Jun 20, 2020 17:11:10 GMT -5
no condemning of actions, no acknowledging victims, no saying they will fire people if allegations are true.... just trying to get people to wish him well on twitter people bravey speak out and company do that. You know people keep telling you why they did this stance and you seem to just keep flat out ignoring them to condemn AEW for doing what they did. So I guess I'll give it a shot too. They are going to re-evaluate his position in the company when he's done rehab, they put him in rehab because Havoc could very well be a danger to himself and others and they want him to get the help he needs. As for not acknowledging if shit is true, they're probably still conducting an investigation, hence why they want to put him though rehab, and then potentially release him if all the allegations, especially the one of rape, has large evidence to back it up as true. The people speaking up got Havoc in rehab, stop acting like nothing is happening here, there is no sympathy card being played here, they're doing the right thing with what kind of a person Jimmy Havoc is.
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Post by Feargus McReddit on Jun 20, 2020 17:15:02 GMT -5
"We are evaluating his status in our company" is PR Speak for "we'll fire him if the allegations have merit." JSYK Basically, yeah. Like, I expect that he goes into rehab and when he’s done, he agrees to be let go. I can’t really see a scenario where he’s back in the company after that.
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Post by mikeoldmac on Jun 20, 2020 17:26:28 GMT -5
or well wait few months til it dies down and bring him back....
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Post by mikeoldmac on Jun 20, 2020 17:29:36 GMT -5
there clearly some merit of truth in it already for jimmy to go for treatment if they wasnt it would be flat out ignored.
not like AEW arent already aware of him and his issues they had the whole thing before the ppv where he was drunk and there are plenty of stories in the past so they had plenty of opportunity for him to get treatment.
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Post by novak on Jun 21, 2020 16:52:35 GMT -5
All i am saying is don't come in AEW thread and say IF wwe did this or that. That's very stupid! This guy was looking for a reaction. I apologise to mods for going too far.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 21, 2020 17:10:36 GMT -5
I didn’t notice there are two largely-identical threads active, so I’ll copy and paste my thought into this one since it’s more active.
The report of controlling and self-destructive behavior is substantiated, but the report of sexual assault is kind of secondhand hearsay at this point, so I’ll reserve judgment on my thoughts. Apparently AEW is planning on reevaluating Havoc’s status with the company after he completes treatment, which I think is a reasonable way to handle the situation.
I hope Havoc gets apparently much-needed help, particularly if his issues are primarily related to depression and substance abuse, which I would never hold against somebody, even if their issues make them toxic to be around. However, if it turns out to be credible that he raped somebody, I hope we never see him in the wrestling business again.
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Post by novak on Jun 21, 2020 17:11:24 GMT -5
I prefer New Japan over both. But fed up of WWE fans toxicity. Its all over reddit and twitter. It makes me glad to not watch! They have obsession with AEW. Wrestling fan should want competition. WWE will always be number one promotion, don't be scared of other promotions! I don't watch WWE because they've done a lot of horrible stuff lately.
Anyway, I hope Havoc gets the help he needs and becomes a better person.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 21, 2020 17:14:16 GMT -5
I prefer New Japan over both. But fed up of WWE fans toxicity. Its all over reddit and twitter. It makes me glad to not watch! They have obsession with AEW. Wrestling fan should want competition. WWE will always be number one promotion, don't be scared of other promotions! I don't watch WWE because they've done a lot of horrible stuff lately. Anyway, I hope Havoc gets the help he needs and becomes a better person. It’s really only the lowest common denominator of each fanbase that engages in the tribalistic nonsense. The people who actively post on r/SquaredCircle and Twitter really aren’t representative of the wrestling fanbase as a whole, they’re just the most vocal and obnoxious. I genuinely think that most of the posters around here obviously prefer one or the other, but don’t disparage others for having a different opinion. And a lot of people, like me, enjoy both. I can really do without main roster WWE at this point, but I enjoy NXT and AEW a lot.
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Post by Joe Neglia on Jun 21, 2020 17:23:49 GMT -5
We will not turn these threads into WWE vs. AEW tripe. I've deleted numerous posts on this matter. All i am saying is don't come in AEW thread and say IF wwe did this or that. That's very stupid! This guy was looking for a reaction. I apologise to mods for going too far. Check your PMs.
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