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Post by eJm on Sept 19, 2023 11:49:44 GMT -5
I mean, for me, if I were someone accused of stuff that, to put it lightly, involved interacting with the general public in an inappropriate, physical way, I wouldn’t want to be seen in jobs that involved interacting with the general public a lot. Work in a warehouse, be a delivery driver, work in a call center, anything along those lines. You pretty much lose your chance, in my eyes, to be doing anything like that when you’ve been shunned from an industry that involves interacting with people face to face. Unfortunately, most of those jobs do not pay enough for someone to afford to live on their own. And nobody should be made to live with a creep like Joey. And, frankly, that’s completely fair and also a much wider topic on how pay for these jobs should be higher for the work involved and so that even Joey Ryan can live somewhere decent and away from people if he’s not actually going to actually pay for the stuff he’s done.
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Post by jb80 on Sept 19, 2023 13:33:19 GMT -5
Lol @ away from people
I mean he's a scumbag but he's not Jeffrey Dahmer. He seemed more of a danger back when he was doing his weird over sexualized gimmick and everyone loved him.
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Post by eJm on Sept 19, 2023 13:50:46 GMT -5
Lol @ away from people I mean he's a scumbag but he's not Jeffrey Dahmer. He seemed more of a danger back when he was doing his weird over sexualized gimmick and everyone loved him. 99.9% people that were accused in SpeakingOut aren’t Jeffrey Dahmer so I don’t know what that has to do with it. Maybe “away from people” was harsh but my point is when you show you’re incapable of not being an asshole in a role where you’re a public figure interacting with fans and other workers and more importantly, training people, you shouldn’t be allowed to be back in that position without a f***tonne of recognition and proof you’ve actually learned from it. Considering just two years ago the dude tried to sneak himself onto WrestleMania weekend and tried to be “born again” the year after, that doesn’t exactly show me he’s learned shit.
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Post by jb80 on Sept 19, 2023 14:31:27 GMT -5
Lol @ away from people I mean he's a scumbag but he's not Jeffrey Dahmer. He seemed more of a danger back when he was doing his weird over sexualized gimmick and everyone loved him. 99.9% people that were accused in SpeakingOut aren’t Jeffrey Dahmer so I don’t know what that has to do with it. Maybe “away from people” was harsh but my point is when you show you’re incapable of not being an asshole in a role where you’re a public figure interacting with fans and other workers and more importantly, training people, you shouldn’t be allowed to be back in that position without a f***tonne of recognition and proof you’ve actually learned from it. Considering just two years ago the dude tried to sneak himself onto WrestleMania weekend and tried to be “born again” the year after, that doesn’t exactly show me he’s learned shit. He was never charged with anything. And who is he supposed to be accountable to with this recognition and proof, the vampire to his left, the mummy to his right or his 25 yr old manager? He's a carny loser working minimum wage jobs until a picture shows up and he's off to the next one. It's funny but let the man work.
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Post by eJm on Sept 19, 2023 14:36:07 GMT -5
He was never charged with anything. I mean, nobody was charged for anything involving SO. Not David Starr, not Jimmy Havoc, not Paul Robinson, not a single person which is a more complicated issue than you're making it out to be and hey, I have a feeling the best solution is for me to block you and to go our separate ways with it.
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Post by jb80 on Sept 19, 2023 15:47:41 GMT -5
Exactly. People who are not legally criminals should not have work restrictions because "the internet."
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Post by Burst on Sept 19, 2023 16:58:08 GMT -5
I do find it curious that of all the wrestlers who had their careers decisively and deservedly ended by Speaking Out, Joey Ryan seems to be the one who keeps on getting dragged back into the public eye (by other folks, specifically, so not counting folks like Scurll taking bookings overseas or Ryan's prior attempts at post-SO self-promotion).
Granted, given said past self-promotion (the "hey look at my motivational seminar" thing and stuff like that), there's a part of me that wonders if there's some sock puppeting going on whenever there's a post about "oh hey look at the poor sad former wrestler reduced to working at Universal", since at the end of the day, that's still putting him back in peoples' conversations.
My thoughts on this case are more of "just let the scumbag fall into obscurity already".
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Post by This Player Hating Mothman on Sept 19, 2023 17:24:05 GMT -5
I do find it curious that of all the wrestlers who had their careers decisively and deservedly ended by Speaking Out, Joey Ryan seems to be the one who keeps on getting dragged back into the public eye (by other folks, specifically, so not counting folks like Scurll taking bookings overseas or Ryan's prior attempts at post-SO self-promotion). Granted, given said past self-promotion (the "hey look at my motivational seminar" thing and stuff like that), there's a part of me that wonders if there's some sock puppeting going on whenever there's a post about "oh hey look at the poor sad former wrestler reduced to working at Universal", since at the end of the day, that's still putting him back in peoples' conversations. My thoughts on this case are more of "just let the scumbag fall into obscurity already". I wonder if te main reason is because Joey Ryan keeps trying to work in show business in some way. The horror show at universal isn't exactly the peak of show business, but he's not working in, as mentioned earlier, a cell center or something. He keeps getting public-facing acting gigs, which keeps people in the areas stumbling onto him. I don't know what David Starr is doing with his days, but I'd wager a guess whatever it is, it's not something people are gonna publicly find and gawk at.
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Post by Burst on Sept 19, 2023 17:37:19 GMT -5
He keeps getting public-facing acting gigs, which keeps people in the areas stumbling onto him. I don't know what David Starr is doing with his days, but I'd wager a guess whatever it is, it's not something people are gonna publicly find and gawk at. I think it was Jimmy Havoc who IIRC was the quickest to accept that his career was over and move on, and last I heard he actually did end up becoming a delivery driver after going through rehab. And I'm inclined to agree, this is almost certainly borne out of Joey stubbornly clinging to Hollywood-area entertainment gigs when there are so many folks vis-a-vis the PWG/LU/proto-AEW wrestling scene alone that would immediately recognize him at these sorts of things. Unless he's Ric Flair levels of terrible with money I can't imagine he's completely broke just from the few brief years he was mainstream-adjacent before SO, but you'd also think that if you were reduced to these sorts of low-level gigs, maybe it's time to move somewhere cheaper than SoCal, but that's just me armchair psychoanalyzing.
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Post by XaviersSS2015hair on Sept 20, 2023 1:11:36 GMT -5
He keeps getting public-facing acting gigs, which keeps people in the areas stumbling onto him. I don't know what David Starr is doing with his days, but I'd wager a guess whatever it is, it's not something people are gonna publicly find and gawk at. I think it was Jimmy Havoc who IIRC was the quickest to accept that his career was over and move on, and last I heard he actually did end up becoming a delivery driver after going through rehab. And I'm inclined to agree, this is almost certainly borne out of Joey stubbornly clinging to Hollywood-area entertainment gigs when there are so many folks vis-a-vis the PWG/LU/proto-AEW wrestling scene alone that would immediately recognize him at these sorts of things. Unless he's Ric Flair levels of terrible with money I can't imagine he's completely broke just from the few brief years he was mainstream-adjacent before SO, but you'd also think that if you were reduced to these sorts of low-level gigs, maybe it's time to move somewhere cheaper than SoCal, but that's just me armchair psychoanalyzing. I don't think Joey's ego / "need" to perform, call it what you want, will allow him to take a job working the night shift at a warehouse in Nebraska.
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Post by Non Banjoble Tokens on Sept 20, 2023 1:14:14 GMT -5
I don't think Joey is supposed to be there, I think he is just sleeping on one of the medical gurneys in the haunted hospital room.
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Post by Oh Cry Me a Screwball on Sept 20, 2023 1:25:44 GMT -5
I do find it curious that of all the wrestlers who had their careers decisively and deservedly ended by Speaking Out, Joey Ryan seems to be the one who keeps on getting dragged back into the public eye (by other folks, specifically, so not counting folks like Scurll taking bookings overseas or Ryan's prior attempts at post-SO self-promotion). Granted, given said past self-promotion (the "hey look at my motivational seminar" thing and stuff like that), there's a part of me that wonders if there's some sock puppeting going on whenever there's a post about "oh hey look at the poor sad former wrestler reduced to working at Universal", since at the end of the day, that's still putting him back in peoples' conversations. My thoughts on this case are more of "just let the scumbag fall into obscurity already". I wonder if te main reason is because Joey Ryan keeps trying to work in show business in some way. The horror show at universal isn't exactly the peak of show business, but he's not working in, as mentioned earlier, a cell center or something. He keeps getting public-facing acting gigs, which keeps people in the areas stumbling onto him. I don't know what David Starr is doing with his days, but I'd wager a guess whatever it is, it's not something people are gonna publicly find and gawk at. Yeah, it's a combination of Joey's resume being loaded with all sorts of relevant experience, and the fact that since he was never criminally charged, nothing will show up on a background check. Also, I'm sure the fact that Joey Ryan is the name associated with his misdeeds whereas a Google search on Joseph Meehan doesn't come up anything wrestling related until result #5 probably helps his employableness. I would really not trust a serial predator to potentially be a in dark room with young women, which is what Horror Night attractions will amount to, but this is the reason it keeps happening.
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Post by Defrebel - White Pony on Sept 20, 2023 12:11:11 GMT -5
David Starr showing up to work at a fish hatchery while the oldest woman on staff whose seen 30 years come and go at this wharf lists off his stupid f***ing ring announcements everyday while he sheds a single tear.
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