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Post by El Cokehead del Knife Fight on Jul 19, 2020 2:16:38 GMT -5
Here’s something from the video that can be mentioned here to a wider degree. He claims his Impact contract has a clause, which seems like he negotiated because of course, where he can’t be fired for anything that happened prior to him signing to the company. So yeah... Always a sign of someone that is totally clean cut and has nothing in his past that might come up.
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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on Jul 19, 2020 4:37:11 GMT -5
Here’s something from the video that can be mentioned here to a wider degree. He claims his Impact contract has a clause, which seems like he negotiated because of course, where he can’t be fired for anything that happened prior to him signing to the company. So yeah... Always a sign of someone that is totally clean cut and has nothing in his past that might come up. Thing is... didn't they release him anyway? So they had to have enough on him to have gotten out of the contract, regardless of the clause.
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Post by Mozenrath on Jul 19, 2020 4:43:23 GMT -5
F*** off and take Chaysn with you, Joey.
How does he look even sleazier with the mustache gone?
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Post by eJm on Jul 19, 2020 4:59:01 GMT -5
Always a sign of someone that is totally clean cut and has nothing in his past that might come up. Thing is... didn't they release him anyway? So they had to have enough on him to have gotten out of the contract, regardless of the clause. I guess it depends on if Ryan does file for legal action and what evidence Impact has for releasing him.
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Post by Mozenrath on Jul 19, 2020 5:34:28 GMT -5
Thing is... didn't they release him anyway? So they had to have enough on him to have gotten out of the contract, regardless of the clause. I guess it depends on if Ryan does file for legal action and what evidence Impact has for releasing him. Would he have been happier for some reason if they Killer Kross'd him? Not that it wouldn't be a moot point, no one wants to work with that would matter for it.
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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on Jul 19, 2020 6:19:40 GMT -5
I guess it depends on if Ryan does file for legal action and what evidence Impact has for releasing him. Would he have been happier for some reason if they Killer Kross'd him? Not that it wouldn't be a moot point, no one wants to work with that would matter for it. Kinda my initial point about making this hour long apology video. Who is it for when you're defending yourself? Everyone has left you, you're blackballed from the industry. Even if you take TNA to court I don't see what's gained if that's an option. Overall, I don't see how Joey Ryan thinks he still has a career outside of possibly rinky dink indies that no one has heard of. Of everyone accused, he has had the most pressure and damning evidence against him, anyone who books him will get pounded with bad PR. Unless he starts up his own promotion that his supposed dieheard fans will watch and people would actually wanna stick their necks out and be booked on, I have to say a fork has been stuck in him, and considering BAR Wrestling aleady folded, I think that plan is out the window too!
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Post by Deleted on Jul 19, 2020 6:52:32 GMT -5
Did he cut his moustache just for the video, been listening about 15 minutes so far.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 19, 2020 7:08:46 GMT -5
I have to read all the accusations after watching the video. So far he has showed couple DM's and spoken well / I think these news might be a mixed bag of false and true stories... ' will see.
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Post by Chairman of the Board on Jul 19, 2020 7:33:31 GMT -5
For some reason I watched Joey Ryan’s entire rebuttal video and I have to admit he really did a thorough job addressing lots of allegations and accusations.
I do not consider myself a Joey Ryan fan and basically figured he was guilty of “something” due to the sheer number of people speaking out.
Some of the “evidence” he provided to “prove” his innocence and/or obviousness was compelling.
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Post by Some Baritone guy IS REDEEMED! on Jul 19, 2020 7:34:48 GMT -5
See, if it were one or two anonymous accusations I might be able to believe they weren't true. But it's not one or two.
It's not even 5.
IT'S f***ING 14! So 14 different people have come out to accuse the man of sexual misconduct, and this dude posts an hour long video to say that all of them are lies!
Pro tip, if there are so many allegations of misconduct against you that you need an HOUR to refute them, you have too many for all of them to be false.
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Post by eJm on Jul 19, 2020 7:54:49 GMT -5
See, if it were one or two anonymous accusations I might be able to believe they weren't true. But it's not one or two. It's not even 5. IT'S f***ING 14! So 14 different people have come out to accuse the man of sexual misconduct, and this dude posts an hour long video to say that all of them are lies! Pro tip, if there are so many allegations of misconduct against you that you need an HOUR to refute them, you have too many for all of them to be false. Yeah, like, there's too much smoke for there not to be a ravenous forest fire when it comes to stuff with Ryan at this point. There's even stuff he admits to that, even if all of them aren't true, still makes him (at minimum) a sexual predator. The key words in that sentence being "at minimum" because the implications from others are MUCH worse.
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Post by Chairman of the Board on Jul 19, 2020 7:59:58 GMT -5
Here’s something from the video that can be mentioned here to a wider degree. He claims his Impact contract has a clause, which seems like he negotiated because of course, where he can’t be fired for anything that happened prior to him signing to the company. So yeah... Do we know whether this was something Joey Ryan specifically negotiated? Is it boiler plater language used in many Impact contracts? I do not know either way, but your post implies it’s unique to him. Any proof of that or just speculation on your part?
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Post by eJm on Jul 19, 2020 8:02:24 GMT -5
Here’s something from the video that can be mentioned here to a wider degree. He claims his Impact contract has a clause, which seems like he negotiated because of course, where he can’t be fired for anything that happened prior to him signing to the company. So yeah... Do we know whether this was something Joey Ryan specifically negotiated? Is it boiler plater language used in many Impact contracts? I do not know either way, but your post implies it’s unique to him. Any proof of that or just speculation on your part? No good company would willingly put that into their contract with someone without negotiation. It's not so much proof as common sense. Even for as problematic a company as they can be, WWE wouldn't do that because they don't want the bad PR. Who the hell would?
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Post by kingoftheindies on Jul 19, 2020 8:06:06 GMT -5
See, if it were one or two anonymous accusations I might be able to believe they weren't true. But it's not one or two. It's not even 5. IT'S f***ING 14! So 14 different people have come out to accuse the man of sexual misconduct, and this dude posts an hour long video to say that all of them are lies! Pro tip, if there are so many allegations of misconduct against you that you need an HOUR to refute them, you have too many for all of them to be false. Agreed. He straight up admits a couple times to misreading signs or even "he was impatient and didn't want to court a girl". I get misinterpreting signs bur even so how does misinterpreting signs consistently end with you naked? MAYBE by letter of the law Joey did nothing illegally.... and that is a huge maybe. But morally? Ryan clearly did things that are insanely wrong and insanely disgusting. As Ryan Satin said on twitter. I dont care the reason, a 40 year old man asking someone who just turned 18 to make out is gross
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Post by Deleted on Jul 19, 2020 8:07:01 GMT -5
Some of the links in Fight Island won't work. But watched the video and read most of 'em. I kinda believe many of the stories from Joey's side. Not saying he is a saint, but I would not kill his career instantly right now. Some of the accusations sound way exaggerated. And Joey has some good points and actual evidence to show. Won't make any conclusions just yet though.
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Post by Chairman of the Board on Jul 19, 2020 8:13:56 GMT -5
Do we know whether this was something Joey Ryan specifically negotiated? Is it boiler plater language used in many Impact contracts? I do not know either way, but your post implies it’s unique to him. Any proof of that or just speculation on your part? No good company would willingly put that into their contract with someone without negotiation. It's not so much proof as common sense. Even for as problematic a company as they can be, WWE wouldn't do that because they don't want the bad PR. Who the hell would? So long story short you have no idea? Just speculation on your part...
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Post by eJm on Jul 19, 2020 8:15:13 GMT -5
No good company would willingly put that into their contract with someone without negotiation. It's not so much proof as common sense. Even for as problematic a company as they can be, WWE wouldn't do that because they don't want the bad PR. Who the hell would? So long story short you have no idea? Just speculation on your part... If you want to say that, sure. But you do realize the implications of what you'd be saying if that was the case, right?
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Post by Chairman of the Board on Jul 19, 2020 8:21:18 GMT -5
Some of the links in Fight Island won't work. But watched the video and read most of 'em. I kinda believe many of the stories from Joey's side. Not saying he is a saint, but I would not kill his career instantly right now. Some of the accusations sound way exaggerated. And Joey has some good points and actual evidence to show. Won't make any conclusions just yet though. I agree. I do not think the video truly exonerates Joey Ryan, but at the same time in the name of “due process” I support a well articulated and “evidence” driven response. It will be interesting to see if “DMs” supporting the accusations will surface or if the firestorm quells and this becomes history.
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Post by Chairman of the Board on Jul 19, 2020 8:36:15 GMT -5
So long story short you have no idea? Just speculation on your part... If you want to say that, sure. But you do realize the implications of what you'd be saying if that was the case, right? What am I saying? That it is probable and/or possible Impact uses boiler plate language in many contracts? That wouldn’t be unique to Impact.
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Post by eJm on Jul 19, 2020 8:38:33 GMT -5
If you want to say that, sure. But you do realize the implications of what you'd be saying if that was the case, right? What am I saying? That it is probable and/or possible Impact uses boiler plate language in many contracts? That wouldn’t be unique to Impact. The wording would be the worry. Hell, it being boiler plate seems like even worse to me because what they’re basically saying is “We don’t check or ask about the history of our talent so if anything happens, it has to affect us in here and now” which...come on, dude.
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