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Post by Hypnosis on Jun 25, 2020 15:03:10 GMT -5
Those seeds are definitely being planted. He's made several offhand comments along the lines of "am I even still in the Elite?" And he's way, way too dialed into the fanbase and its perception of the company for the arrogant, entitled elements of his character to not be intentional in my opinion. I think it's going to wind up being a slow burn heel turn. I think with him saying "I hate cos play wrestling", "I hate play time wrestling " was another small indication he is slowly turning heel. I can see him accusing the rest of the Elite or just certain other wrestlers of that, And that he brings "serious wrestling" to AEW. I'd enjoy a segment with Omega dressing up as another video game character interrupting a heel Cody promo.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 25, 2020 15:10:56 GMT -5
Yeah I’ve said in other threads I’m tried of his over the top booking.
I think he’ll turn heel eventually, but when it comes to the Elite, Omega needs to be AEW’s next big badwith the Bucks siding with him, and taking the title from Mox and badass lone cowboy Page chasing.
Cody’s turn can play into that but I think he needs to do his own thing, maybe making his own horsemen or whatever.
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Post by King Devitt: Scrum Guzzler on Jun 25, 2020 19:22:07 GMT -5
Have you considered just not watching Cody segments though? I feel like when you're at the point of "the stupid guy holding the stupid title in the air" you really need to take a step back. I mean I love Cody, but even I fast forwarded past the press conference thing last night b/c it was just "too much Cody" for my tastes. I get what he's going for, but since winning the TNT Title, it hasn't been working for me.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 25, 2020 20:37:33 GMT -5
For me, Cody has to be a face.
He is the "founder" of AEW. The fans love him because he created an alterative to WWE.
I am going to have to disagree btw. I really dig Cody. And I met him a few years back and he was legitimately one of the coolest guys I ever met, so I am always gonna have his back after that.
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Post by Dr. Bolty, Disaster Enby on Jun 25, 2020 20:46:59 GMT -5
I was thinking a little more about this thread, and I came up with another way to put my finger on what Cody is doing that is specifically different and potentially a problem:
When Cody is on screen, he is the Main Character. His feuds take place in an alternate universe, separate from the rest of the promotion, where everything revolves around him.
Everything stops revolving around him and he is treated like a normal wrestler for the entire rest of the show - and that's a lot of why it doesn't not work. But yeah, it's really particular seeing the huge shift from a non-Cody segment to a Cody segment and back again.
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Post by polarbearpete on Jun 26, 2020 9:46:18 GMT -5
I am amused at people who are fed up with Cody while watching AEW. The promotion was designed in part to be a vanity project for Cody to put himself over. Anyone watching should know this going in. That’s the impression you get? Because to me it seems Cody is over with fans because he gets to present himself as the underdog babyface who loves the company and wants the best for it. It’s hard to say the promotion is about putting him over when he has only won 2 matches on PPV. Also, put me in the “still enjoying Cody” camp because for as much as he goes over the top he is still capable of getting me invested in his big feuds and his promos are usually quality. If only he would stop bleeding in every semi-big match. On PPV, he’s beaten Dustin, Spears and Archer, lost to Jericho, MJF and the Bucks, and had a draw with Allin. So he’s 3-3-1.
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Post by mrpeacock on Jun 26, 2020 9:57:03 GMT -5
That’s the impression you get? Because to me it seems Cody is over with fans because he gets to present himself as the underdog babyface who loves the company and wants the best for it. It’s hard to say the promotion is about putting him over when he has only won 2 matches on PPV. Also, put me in the “still enjoying Cody” camp because for as much as he goes over the top he is still capable of getting me invested in his big feuds and his promos are usually quality. If only he would stop bleeding in every semi-big match. On PPV, he’s beaten Dustin, Spears and Archer, lost to Jericho, MJF and the Bucks, and had a draw with Allin. So he’s 3-3-1. It’s funny I was looking at that the other day, outside of the match with Dustin and the Draw with Darby I would’ve been cool with Cody losing all of his PPV matches. It would’ve kept that underdog story going even though hes winning the majority of tv matches. Make you wait for Cody to finally get that big win when it counts.
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Post by hungerlow on Jun 26, 2020 15:25:06 GMT -5
Cody is a fantastic talent, but I feel like he's miscast.
To me he's always been more interesting as a heel. He turned the Dashing, Undashing, and Bullet Club leader gimmicks into gold.
As a babyface it just gives off a vibe that the promotion is revolving around him. He's not really a sympathetic figure, in fact he's sort of a prick in real life if you go by some of his interviews. He's also an EVP, which would naturally make him easier to root against.
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Post by Bo Rida on Jun 27, 2020 7:02:56 GMT -5
He's always so over dramatic. Trouble is that shouldn't be the case every damn appearence. You need peaks and troughs so things stand out.
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Post by XIII on Jun 27, 2020 7:33:29 GMT -5
I haven’t watched AEW in a few weeks now, but when I saw Cody beat Archer to win that tournament I just shook my head. He’ll be turned against by a majority within 6 months.
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Post by The Trashman on Jun 27, 2020 11:03:26 GMT -5
It was idiotic to book him to beat Archer and ban himself from competing for the World title.
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Post by Muskrat on Jun 27, 2020 11:48:38 GMT -5
Cody’s great, and the press conference thing was fantastic. Gave the match a real boxing/MMA feel to it, made it feel like a prize fight. Thought it was awesome
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Post by mrpeacock on Jun 27, 2020 12:11:39 GMT -5
I haven’t watched AEW in a few weeks now, but when I saw Cody beat Archer to win that tournament I just shook my head. He’ll be turned against by a majority within 6 months. I’ll say it again. Archer should’ve beat him when he hit his finish at the start. That would’ve been a story.
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Jun 27, 2020 12:31:49 GMT -5
Cody’s great, and the press conference thing was fantastic. Gave the match a real boxing/MMA feel to it, made it feel like a prize fight. Thought it was awesome Tho it is stuff like that, that you scratch your head Jericho/Mox did the same thing in the ring and it worked just as well but Cody had to be really extravagant and go that extra mile Yes, there is two ways to do things but it is one of those things where Cody losses the benefit because it is him doing it
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Jun 27, 2020 12:33:10 GMT -5
It was idiotic to book him to beat Archer and ban himself from competing for the World title. Banning himself from the world title was a smart move and fit perfectly into his next feud. Plus it will be that more effective when he he turns heel and just ignores the "integrity" of it all Archer should have beat him tho
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Post by EP 54 is banned from Collision on Jun 27, 2020 13:55:29 GMT -5
Who would want Lance "Boring McSquashmatch" Archer as TNT champion? I'd rather see Marko or Avalon in that spot.
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Post by sunnytaker on Jun 27, 2020 14:44:56 GMT -5
Cody's whole deal is just gonna be better when he goes heel, because then the braggadociousness is going to make more sense. Just a matter of when. yeah I think this is all been leading to a heel turn. probably would have happened already had he not gotten such a "thank you for AEW" pop when AEW finally started airing. he's been tiptoeing along the "delusional heel" line for a while now in my eyes, except he's still being treated as a face and getting the cheers despite people who come to ringside with him constantly getting taken out by an opponent (brandi a few times) or kicked out by the ref (Arn a couple of times) and his tendency to act more heelish when he thinks he might be in trouble during a match. plus it will clear a path for him to go after the AEW title again since heel versions never live up to the claims they make as a face.
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Post by Cyno on Jun 27, 2020 14:52:06 GMT -5
I think he always intended to be heel and this is a very slow burn to that point. But he turned face after DoN1 because the people practically demanded it. He was the public face of a new company that gave people hope for a better, less monopolistic industry. It's hard to ignore the vox populi in that case. And he was still getting some of the strongest face reactions from the crowd before the pandemic forced them to stop touring and running shows with a paying audience.
Still seems like he's over as a face with most people, though it seems like there is a loud minority who is tired of him. But then they've always been there and the internet amplifies the loudest voices that can make them seem more representative than they really are. Really hard to tell what crowds in general think about him until they can run shows with a live audience of paying customers again, and that's not going to be happening anytime soon.
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Post by Dr. Bolty, Disaster Enby on Jun 27, 2020 15:17:28 GMT -5
Still seems like he's over as a face with most people, though it seems like there is a loud minority who is tired of him. But then they've always been there and the internet amplifies the loudest voices that can make them seem more representative than they really are. Really hard to tell what crowds in general think about him until they can run shows with a live audience of paying customers again, and that's not going to be happening anytime soon. That loud minority tends to be a leading indicator in wrestling, though. Not always, but we definitely saw it with the Nightmare Collective - that act was doing great according to live crowd reactions while being near universally panned online, and I think it's safe to say that it would have tanked live if it went much longer.
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Post by Cyno on Jun 27, 2020 15:20:30 GMT -5
Nightmare Collective was a heel act so it's more difficult to tell with live crowd reactions if a crowd is giving it genuine heel heat or just hates the shit out of it. Also it got exposed big-time by that horrendous tag match with Brandi and Mel.
Cody's a face act so it will be a lot easier to judge if he's losing the crowd or not once crowds come back.
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