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Post by Deleted on Jun 27, 2020 3:42:18 GMT -5
This was predictable. Look I like Orange Cassidy as much as the next guy. But trying to make his and Jericho feud more then mid card filler was mistake. Especially when NXT had Balor vs Lee vs Gargano for title with winner facing Cole. That would be like if AEW had Cody vs Omega vs MJF for TNT title with winner facing Moxley title for title. While NXT had say Ciampa brawling with Fandango lol. I know it's not exactly the same. But one show had a big time match up and another show had Jericho brawling with comedy guy. Stop putting Cassidy in the bubble of "Just a comedy guy", we've gotten past that point. The PAC match showed it, the Fenix match showed it. He has comedy yes but the dude can go, and the last few weeks of the build has been a serious one, and the brawl especially with the ending show of Orange was a great visual. The segment itself has almost half a million views on their Youtube, which is superior to everything else theyve uploaded by a wide margin It's not that it isn't good, it's just NXT had the stronger match against it. I feel like the low viewership is being taken at too much of a face value too, because of those follow up viewers online, it's showing there is mad interest for this match, it just was given a bad draw this week. A weak card that had three audibles to it at the last minute, would hurt any show, including NXT. I get your frustrations and points with how things should be going, but this week is hard to blame on AEW imo. They did the best they could, and they're trying to save their big matches for crowds to return. Maybe in the end that will prove fruitless, but at least those will come in time. I agree after Fyter they need to kick something into high gear, but, after Fyter, they got bigger fish to fry as well with how Florida is getting. They might need to plan out a months worth of story and tape, we'll see how it goes. Honestly I really just can't remotely buy OC as any sort of threat whatsoever to Jericho. Like, the character works best as a thing where people underestimate him and he gets in their heads to make it competitive then he loses. Just having a straight blood feud with one of the top guys in the company he just comes off as hopelessly outclassed but we're being asked to take it seriously for some stupid reason. It doesn't really help that just on a basic story-structuring level it's not particularly well put together. Jericho needs to be put in his place, but oh, the Best Friends already beat him, and they're mostly concerned about helping out OC, but we know they won't have a match with P&P at Fyter Fest or something because they're challenging for the tag titles, not that they or the champions either one particularly seem to care. It's just a mess and that's not even getting into the nonsensical Tyson stuff that led into it.
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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on Jun 27, 2020 4:58:31 GMT -5
Stop putting Cassidy in the bubble of "Just a comedy guy", we've gotten past that point. The PAC match showed it, the Fenix match showed it. He has comedy yes but the dude can go, and the last few weeks of the build has been a serious one, and the brawl especially with the ending show of Orange was a great visual. The segment itself has almost half a million views on their Youtube, which is superior to everything else theyve uploaded by a wide margin It's not that it isn't good, it's just NXT had the stronger match against it. I feel like the low viewership is being taken at too much of a face value too, because of those follow up viewers online, it's showing there is mad interest for this match, it just was given a bad draw this week. A weak card that had three audibles to it at the last minute, would hurt any show, including NXT. I get your frustrations and points with how things should be going, but this week is hard to blame on AEW imo. They did the best they could, and they're trying to save their big matches for crowds to return. Maybe in the end that will prove fruitless, but at least those will come in time. I agree after Fyter they need to kick something into high gear, but, after Fyter, they got bigger fish to fry as well with how Florida is getting. They might need to plan out a months worth of story and tape, we'll see how it goes. OC reminds me Santino Marella. Clear comedy wrestler can somewhat go in the ring. Thing is fans mostly want to see his comedy ( which in over time will run its course like other comedy bits). There is absolutely nothing wrong with being an mid card comedy act who can do some wrestling. Everyone has a role and he does his role ( no pun intended Britt ) very well. He is not an main event, carry the company into mainstream wrestler. I would like to be wrong because I'm one of the few old school fans who like him, I just don't see his act being good for business on a main event stage week after week, month after month, etc. He's been doing the comedy act for years now, hasn't run thin. Also he can't just "Somewhat" go in the ring, dude is an absolute workhorse and can work with just about anyone, he is not on the level of Santino and I kind of find that insulting. You can have your opinion, we're obviously just gonna disagree, but Cassidy is no fluke, he's a real deal and the fact he is as hugely popular as he is continues to show that, and it's not just for his comedy, it's for the fact he can be funny and bring it at the same time. Place went nuts for that PAC match, the Fenix match was universally praised for being a clinic. I hope the Jericho match only continues to turn heads.
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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on Jun 27, 2020 5:03:58 GMT -5
Stop putting Cassidy in the bubble of "Just a comedy guy", we've gotten past that point. The PAC match showed it, the Fenix match showed it. He has comedy yes but the dude can go, and the last few weeks of the build has been a serious one, and the brawl especially with the ending show of Orange was a great visual. The segment itself has almost half a million views on their Youtube, which is superior to everything else theyve uploaded by a wide margin It's not that it isn't good, it's just NXT had the stronger match against it. I feel like the low viewership is being taken at too much of a face value too, because of those follow up viewers online, it's showing there is mad interest for this match, it just was given a bad draw this week. A weak card that had three audibles to it at the last minute, would hurt any show, including NXT. I get your frustrations and points with how things should be going, but this week is hard to blame on AEW imo. They did the best they could, and they're trying to save their big matches for crowds to return. Maybe in the end that will prove fruitless, but at least those will come in time. I agree after Fyter they need to kick something into high gear, but, after Fyter, they got bigger fish to fry as well with how Florida is getting. They might need to plan out a months worth of story and tape, we'll see how it goes. Honestly I really just can't remotely buy OC as any sort of threat whatsoever to Jericho. Like, the character works best as a thing where people underestimate him and he gets in their heads to make it competitive then he loses. Just having a straight blood feud with one of the top guys in the company he just comes off as hopelessly outclassed but we're being asked to take it seriously for some stupid reason. It doesn't really help that just on a basic story-structuring level it's not particularly well put together. Jericho needs to be put in his place, but oh, the Best Friends already beat him, and they're mostly concerned about helping out OC, but we know they won't have a match with P&P at Fyter Fest or something because they're challenging for the tag titles, not that they or the champions either one particularly seem to care. It's just a mess and that's not even getting into the nonsensical Tyson stuff that led into it. I don't see what the big deal is here. Jericho's a cocky asshole, and is absolutely underestimating a dude whose biggest deal is when you don't take him as a threat or get into your own head, he checkmates you. He took PAC and Fenix to the limit, and both matches had interference for Cassidy to lose, so I don't know why we're on this "Competitive then loses" train when he's been protected in those losses. I don't see why Cassidy can't be taken seriously, dude has a great aura about him where he can be goofy but can also bring it. I think he and Jericho have put a fun program together as far as I'm concerned. As for Jericho being put in place by Best Friends, they pinned Sammy, not Jericho, he always gets away without getting humiliated. PNP fighting Private Party is whats happening at Fyter because Hardy Party are mixed in with the feuds as well and Best Friends already had the title shot scheduled so yeah they're gonna take it. Also since you said you didn't watch Dynamite this week, there was an entire hype package for the Best Friends/Omaga/Hangman this week and it was really well put together, so they do care. If you still haven't watched Dynamite this week, which was the go home show to set up Fyter, this whole rant seems a bit pointless if you haven't seen everything, if you have, fair enough, but I'm going off a post you said earlier so... you may not have every piece of the puzzle. Maybe you'd hate it anyway but I'm just letting you know. The Tyson stuff for all we know will play into this match, it might, it might not, but for me Jericho kicking Orange's ass for no reason and now paying for it by Cassidy being a thorn in the side that won't go away is a fun story and it's a star making feud and moment for Cassidy. Maybe some people will never take him seriously, but a dude this over who gets people outside of a wrestling bubble talking like he does, he deserves this shine imo, and I hope the match is a great one.
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Post by deezy on Jun 27, 2020 7:59:53 GMT -5
OC reminds me Santino Marella. Clear comedy wrestler can somewhat go in the ring. Thing is fans mostly want to see his comedy ( which in over time will run its course like other comedy bits). There is absolutely nothing wrong with being an mid card comedy act who can do some wrestling. Everyone has a role and he does his role ( no pun intended Britt ) very well. He is not an main event, carry the company into mainstream wrestler. I would like to be wrong because I'm one of the few old school fans who like him, I just don't see his act being good for business on a main event stage week after week, month after month, etc. He's been doing the comedy act for years now, hasn't run thin. Also he can't just "Somewhat" go in the ring, dude is an absolute workhorse and can work with just about anyone, he is not on the level of Santino and I kind of find that insulting. You can have your opinion, we're obviously just gonna disagree, but Cassidy is no fluke, he's a real deal and the fact he is as hugely popular as he is continues to show that, and it's not just for his comedy, it's for the fact he can be funny and bring it at the same time. Place went nuts for that PAC match, the Fenix match was universally praised for being a clinic. I hope the Jericho match only continues to turn heads. But he hasn't been doing his comedy act on a big stage, on a same stage year after year. Everyone gets stale if they do the same stuff week in and week out.It can't be fake shin kicks 100% all the time. He is insanely over with the AEW core fan base, Noone with deny that. Top 3 in that category right now. But to take AEW mainstream, No. He may bring in a few new eyes, nothing close to bring them to a million viewers on Wednesday nights. But with the same AEW core fans, he has them in the palm of his hands and if thats the only group he is like that with then thats not a bad thing in my eyes. When I think "main event scene" and being the "guy" in AEW i Don't think OC. Even if he defeats Jericho ( i think he will ) i won't think that. But he is a major part with the core audience and that won't change.
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Post by moxfan1 on Jun 27, 2020 8:26:04 GMT -5
This was predictable. Look I like Orange Cassidy as much as the next guy. But trying to make his and Jericho feud more then mid card filler was mistake. Especially when NXT had Balor vs Lee vs Gargano for title with winner facing Cole. That would be like if AEW had Cody vs Omega vs MJF for TNT title with winner facing Moxley title for title. While NXT had say Ciampa brawling with Fandango lol. I know it's not exactly the same. But one show had a big time match up and another show had Jericho brawling with comedy guy. Stop putting Cassidy in the bubble of "Just a comedy guy", we've gotten past that point. The PAC match showed it, the Fenix match showed it. He has comedy yes but the dude can go, and the last few weeks of the build has been a serious one, and the brawl especially with the ending show of Orange was a great visual. The segment itself has almost half a million views on their Youtube, which is superior to everything else theyve uploaded by a wide margin It's not that it isn't good, it's just NXT had the stronger match against it. I feel like the low viewership is being taken at too much of a face value too, because of those follow up viewers online, it's showing there is mad interest for this match, it just was given a bad draw this week. A weak card that had three audibles to it at the last minute, would hurt any show, including NXT. I get your frustrations and points with how things should be going, but this week is hard to blame on AEW imo. They did the best they could, and they're trying to save their big matches for crowds to return. Maybe in the end that will prove fruitless, but at least those will come in time. I agree after Fyter they need to kick something into high gear, but, after Fyter, they got bigger fish to fry as well with how Florida is getting. They might need to plan out a months worth of story and tape, we'll see how it goes. That's the thing when you put Cassidy middle of the show in mid card angle he does well. You put him in main event angles with Jericho going against some of NXT best. Well he's not going to do well as we seen last few weeks. I agree people love the act and think it's fun. But the last few weeks it's been shown that people rather watch top of the card guys/girls in a good match against each other. Over Cassidy character and Jericho doing stuff. Like I said before Orange Cassidy is great mid card act and he's way over then most mid card guys. But that character is never going to be taken seriously to pick to watch what he's doing over good Bayley/Sasha tag title match or something like Lee/Balor/Gargano. Ratings have shown people will watch AEW top guys in big match/segments against each other over NXT stars. But AEW needs to put their stars in position to do that. In January we got Mox joining Inner Circle segment. Followed by mini number one contender tournament with Mox/Guevara, Darby/Pac with was followed by tag title change next week on the cruise and Mox/Pac main event. We had Cody Lashings segment, we had Cody/Wardlow in steel cage and Pac/Omega Iron Man match. Pre Double or Nothing I understood the cards because roster wasn't all there. But right now they got just about everybody back besides Pac and a few girls. While the company added Matt Hardy, Brian Cage, Lance Archer and Brodie Lee since then. There's no excuse to be putting on AEW Dark matches on Dynamite. I really hope this low rating makes them take it up a notch. Especially since if Mox is out next week. Then they gotta main event Orange Cassidy/Jericho vs Cole/Lee title vs title. I fear what that rating will do after this week.
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Post by markymark on Jun 30, 2020 8:01:09 GMT -5
I feel it was a mistake starting with Wardlow and Luchasaurus, IMO it shouldve main evented.
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Jun 30, 2020 9:24:47 GMT -5
I feel it was a mistake starting with Wardlow and Luchasaurus, IMO it shouldve main evented. I mean, it is not surprise that heavy hitter triple threat did business Getting smoked as a surprise but I think a lot of wrestling fans would rather watch a banger match with a title up for grabs and high stakes for another title match then a segment
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Post by thedot on Jun 30, 2020 12:16:49 GMT -5
OC's act works better with a crowd. He should have been getting this spotlight without the crowd involved, his act would be so much better with reaction.
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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on Jun 30, 2020 16:02:54 GMT -5
I feel it was a mistake starting with Wardlow and Luchasaurus, IMO it shouldve main evented. A few things factor in The card audibles taking Moxley, Sammy and Dustin hurt I dont think Wardlow/Luchasaurus was a bad opener, it did a lot, I think the rest of the card taking a hit left it harder to follow And OC/Jericho was a segment vs a big main event, it just took a hit due to that. The segment aformentioned got a ton of views on Youtube after the fact, and would be much easier to see after the fact where Gargano/Lee/Balor wouldn't have been in full. So these things all just factored in to things AEW couldn't control, and banking too hard on a segment vs one of NXT's biggest TV matches to date on paper. I expect a bounce back this week, even with Sasha/Io as the main for NXT.
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