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Post by Dub H on Jun 26, 2020 15:41:01 GMT -5
And Jericho Suggested Luther.
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Jun 26, 2020 15:46:56 GMT -5
So basically what people assumed with Marty and Matt
Seems like they hoped a domino would fall to them and they would go with a backup plan if anything and ended up with Harper who basically fell into their lap
All in all they came out well and still got Matt in AEW anyway
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Post by Dub H on Jun 26, 2020 15:51:47 GMT -5
So basically what people assumed with Marty and Matt Seems like they hoped a domino would fall to them and they would go with a backup plan if anything and ended up with Harper who basically fell into their lap All in all they came out well and still got Matt in AEW anyway Cant be understaded enough what a bullet was dodged there(as much at the time I would have marked). I find it funny Jericho suggested Luther because people were constantly joking about Luther being revealed as the leader and how awful it would be.
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Post by sfvega on Jun 26, 2020 16:12:22 GMT -5
It worked out perfect. I really hated the idea of Hardy in that spot. Brodie works better, but they still did the Vince thing which just seems out of place. Once it became more about Brodie than Vince, it's been good. But part of me wishes Evil Uno was still in charge. He really hit his stride.
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Post by chrom on Jun 26, 2020 16:19:05 GMT -5
Luther would've been a disaster
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Post by Dub H on Jun 26, 2020 16:20:22 GMT -5
Luther would've been a disaster It either had to be someone from outside that people knew or someone build up from inside VERY well. Luther was just random nightmare goon before it and didnt impress people, that would be a sure-fire way to kill The Dark Order
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Post by chrom on Jun 26, 2020 16:22:37 GMT -5
Luther would've been a disaster It either had to be someone from outside that people knew or someone build up from inside VERY well. Luther was just random nightmare goon before it and didnt impress people, that would be a sure-fire way to kill The Dark Order It would have been even worst than when Devon was revealed in Aces and Eights
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Post by FinalGwen on Jun 26, 2020 16:23:23 GMT -5
Hard to argue that Brodie isn't the best possible choice.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 26, 2020 16:23:43 GMT -5
James Mitchell would've made sense, but it would also be underwhelming with the hype around who it was. Glad they went with a wrestler, in any case.
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Post by Tenshigure on Jun 26, 2020 16:25:39 GMT -5
I find it funny Jericho suggested Luther because people were constantly joking about Luther being revealed as the leader and how awful it would be. In hindsight...if they had revealed Luther as the Exalted One, only for them to pull a "Mandarin" and have Jake Roberts be the TRUE Exalted One... ...I mean, I can't be the only one who would've loved that, no?
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Post by warden on Jun 26, 2020 17:55:20 GMT -5
I find it funny Jericho suggested Luther because people were constantly joking about Luther being revealed as the leader and how awful it would be. In hindsight...if they had revealed Luther as the Exalted One, only for them to pull a "Mandarin" and have Jake Roberts be the TRUE Exalted One... ...I mean, I can't be the only one who would've loved that, no? I prefer that incarnation than any of the others.
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Post by King Devitt: Scrum Guzzler on Jun 26, 2020 18:02:33 GMT -5
James Mitchell would have been amazing.
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Post by Mozenrath on Jun 26, 2020 18:09:16 GMT -5
Hard to argue that Brodie isn't the best possible choice. Agreed. Archer would have made the sign the group does, the hand held up, represent Archer's Iron Claw, which would be fun, but I don't see him giving the kind of promos to make it work. Brodie would have worked with Roberts, but he wouldn't seem quite as feral. It worked out nice, given how Brodie brings the paternalistic energy, the firm, controlling father aura, and as much as I liked Evil Uno bossing Creepers around, he still gets to, while playing a fun sycophant to Brodie. The newest BTE demonstrates that nicely, with Brodie angrily giving Evil Uno a task, and Uno shuffling it onto Reynolds and Silver to do, and presenting it as a great honor and not just a chore Uno doesn't feel like doing himself. It's a very fun dynamic. Matt's fun as a face right now, and Marty... okay, even if he DIDN'T have his current problems, he is someone I don't picture having the kind of chemistry Brodie and Uno have together. I also can't picture him making the Creepers quake in fear like Brodie does.
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Post by "Gizzark" Mike Wronglevenay on Jun 26, 2020 18:10:31 GMT -5
Didn't Jericho get Luther a tryout in WWF that he failed in 99?
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Post by Dub H on Jun 26, 2020 18:15:41 GMT -5
Hard to argue that Brodie isn't the best possible choice. Agreed. Archer would have made the sign the group does, the hand held up, represent Archer's Iron Claw, which would be fun, but I don't see him giving the kind of promos to make it work. Brodie would have worked with Roberts, but he wouldn't seem quite as feral. It worked out nice, given how Brodie brings the paternalistic energy, the firm, controlling father aura, and as much as I liked Evil Uno bossing Creepers around, he still gets to, while playing a fun sycophant to Brodie. The newest BTE demonstrates that nicely, with Brodie angrily giving Evil Uno a task, and Uno shuffling it onto Reynolds and Silver to do, and presenting it as a great honor and not just a chore Uno doesn't feel like doing himself. It's a very fun dynamic. Matt's fun as a face right now, and Marty... okay, even if he DIDN'T have his current problems, he is someone I don't picture having the kind of chemistry Brodie and Uno have together. I also can't picture him making the Creepers quake in fear like Brodie does. I think the last issue is that you are picturingThe Dark Order as is now to be the same DO under then. Matt's Dark Order would obviously focus more in the mysticism and THE SEVEN DEITIES AND HIS BROKEN BRILLIANCE. Marty's would probably keep the business side given the enterprise but I assume it would be a more active,synergistic,vengeful incarnation of the dark order and more . The Dark Order was clearly ready to adapt to whoever was the leader
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Post by "Evil Brood" Jackson Vanik on Jun 26, 2020 18:36:48 GMT -5
Even without all his current baggage, I think Marty wouldn't have been the right fit. I'm sure eventually he could get heel heat but I always thought he'd be way too popular to make him the leader of a bunch of an evil cult. I know he's the Villain but he was (emphasis WAS) incredibly well liked by their fans.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 26, 2020 18:39:19 GMT -5
Broken Matt would've been a mismatch tonally. I'm sure he could've switched it up and made it work, but people also wanted a proper Broken run after the WWE SHOCKINGLY neutered him.
The fact that they had JAKE F***ING ROBERTS signed and didn't give him the gig was not only disappointing to me, but debuting him a few weeks (IIRC) before the Brodie reveal took a lot of juice out of that as well.
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Post by Mozenrath on Jun 26, 2020 18:54:47 GMT -5
I forgot to mention in my post, but why he had a very shake start, Luther's grown on me. I like his shrill, immature complaining, tempered by him also showing veteran instincts sometimes. He kind of reminds me of Gluttony from Full Metal Alchemist. He could use some better gear, but he's growing on me. Agreed. Archer would have made the sign the group does, the hand held up, represent Archer's Iron Claw, which would be fun, but I don't see him giving the kind of promos to make it work. Brodie would have worked with Roberts, but he wouldn't seem quite as feral. It worked out nice, given how Brodie brings the paternalistic energy, the firm, controlling father aura, and as much as I liked Evil Uno bossing Creepers around, he still gets to, while playing a fun sycophant to Brodie. The newest BTE demonstrates that nicely, with Brodie angrily giving Evil Uno a task, and Uno shuffling it onto Reynolds and Silver to do, and presenting it as a great honor and not just a chore Uno doesn't feel like doing himself. It's a very fun dynamic. Matt's fun as a face right now, and Marty... okay, even if he DIDN'T have his current problems, he is someone I don't picture having the kind of chemistry Brodie and Uno have together. I also can't picture him making the Creepers quake in fear like Brodie does. I think the last issue is that you are picturingThe Dark Order as is now to be the same DO under then. Matt's Dark Order would obviously focus more in the mysticism and THE SEVEN DEITIES AND HIS BROKEN BRILLIANCE. Marty's would probably keep the business side given the enterprise but I assume it would be a more active,synergistic,vengeful incarnation of the dark order and more . The Dark Order was clearly ready to adapt to whoever was the leader It depends on when they made the decision. By the time we got the video where a dude was beat up at one of the recruitments for saying he wanted to join to have friends, I think a lot of the tone of the current Dark Order was already getting established.
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Post by Mr Mario Mario on Jun 26, 2020 19:59:12 GMT -5
Man I get Jericho trying to do right by his friend but Luther as leader of the Dark Order would be finished the group off
Matt would not have been much better IMO
Brodie was the best choice. After a very rough start with him in charge (They can deny it all they want but for me the Vince McMahon similarities were too much to ignore) they’ve dialled it back so it’s subtle & fits in with the character you’d expect to find in charge of such an organisation
Seriously, the BTE stuff this week was really good and the stuff on dynamite was really interesting I though at least
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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on Jun 27, 2020 1:13:46 GMT -5
Mitchell would have been fantastic, but I like Brodie, he's growing into this role and I can tell he's enjoying it
Marty and Matt in the end I am glad weren't, Matt's good in his role right now, he can literally be whoever he wants, lol.
Luther... wouldn't have worked. Exalted One needed to be a pop reveal, as we saw when Luther debuted, nobody knew who the f*** he was, outside of Excalibur, again, lol, so it was the right choice. Plus Luther seems to be getting his own groove on DARK. If the partnership with Serpentico sticks, them and Mel would be a fun team, at least better than Nightmare Collective...
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