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Post by thegame415 on Jun 29, 2020 13:51:15 GMT -5
I think it was Stephanie's college graduation on the same day.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 29, 2020 14:13:54 GMT -5
Vince McMahon probably would have kicked the shit out of Eric Bischoff for real at that point. It's the old "crazy old man strength vs. trained fighter" argument. As much as a goof as Bischoff was and is, he's a legit blackbelt and was a solid amateur wrestler. And as much of as an uncoordinated meathead as Vince is, he was on more juice than Tropicana and wanted to see Bischoff 6 feet under |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 29, 2020 15:19:11 GMT -5
They wouldn't have let him in. The visual of him outside the arena and not being allowed in would have been gold for WCW. There was never a world in which they'd face off in a ring. No way. If I was Vince, I'd have kicked up a storm and banged the door down. It would reverse the whole thing into Bischoff being afraid of him. |
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Post by XIII on Jun 29, 2020 15:22:38 GMT -5
Vince v. Bischoff in a shoot fight would have set all of the UFC records. Would have been hilarious.
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Post by arrogantmodel on Jun 29, 2020 15:23:53 GMT -5
Uncle Eric would have whooped Vince's ass.
Vince would go charging in like CM Punk, Eric would sweep him, Vince goes down, and then catches a kick or flurry of punches. It wouldn't even have been close.
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Post by Aceorton on Jun 29, 2020 18:44:18 GMT -5
Wasn't there an account from someone going around a few years ago that Vince seriously considered going and had to be talked out of it?
WCW 100 percent needed him to not show up and was assuming he wouldn't. The whole thing hinged on him "no-showing" so they could claim he was a coward. And I'm not even talking about the possibility of Vince beating Bischoff in a fight, because it never would have gotten close to that. Just think of the liabilities, paperwork, compensation and likeness issues, etc., that would become a real issue the moment Vince showed up at the door. He's not their employee. He's not even a licensed fighter. Now he's showing up for a supposed shoot fight against a legit business rival, on PPV, with a real risk of injury. How do you sanction something like that? Lawyers would have shut that down even if Vince was game. The only way it might have gotten interesting if is Vince brought a camera crew with him to prove he tried, and they could humiliate WCW with it on Raw the next night.
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Post by Alice Syndrome on Jun 29, 2020 20:24:54 GMT -5
Aside from the muscle mass advantage Vince had back then (I'm assuming he was already weightlifting like a maniac by that point for the inevitable Austin match), there is no karate in the world that will prepare you to fight crazy.
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Post by Alice Syndrome on Jun 29, 2020 20:29:40 GMT -5
Wasn't there an account from someone going around a few years ago that Vince seriously considered going and had to be talked out of it? WCW 100 percent needed him to not show up and was assuming he wouldn't. The whole thing hinged on him "no-showing" so they could claim he was a coward. And I'm not even talking about the possibility of Vince beating Bischoff in a fight, because it never would have gotten close to that. Just think of the liabilities, paperwork, compensation and likeness issues, etc., that would become a real issue the moment Vince showed up at the door. He's not their employee. He's not even a licensed fighter. Now he's showing up for a supposed shoot fight against a legit business rival, on PPV, with a real risk of injury. How do you sanction something like that? Lawyers would have shut that down even if Vince was game. The only way it might have gotten interesting if is Vince brought a camera crew with him to prove he tried, and they could humiliate WCW with it on Raw the next night. I mean, they could claim mutual combat? As long as they don't beat the shit out of the crowd or the surroundings there's legal precedent for them being allowed to have a fair unarmed fight. |
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Post by Lance Uppercut on Jun 29, 2020 23:18:19 GMT -5
It’d also be weird because there’s a chance he’d probably be cheered if he actual showed up In front of the wcw audience
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Post by thegame415 on Jun 29, 2020 23:20:12 GMT -5
Also should note, this lead to one of my favorite unintentionally funny moments ever.
They had a security guard with a printout of various WWF wrestlers, including Vince. Like they didn't know what Vince looked like.
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Post by jason1980s on Jun 30, 2020 7:32:50 GMT -5
Also should note, this lead to one of my favorite unintentionally funny moments ever. They had a security guard with a printout of various WWF wrestlers, including Vince. Like they didn't know what Vince looked like. Typical WCW ineptness. They probably had a picture of Hulk Hogan to make sure he got through security on his first day. I would love to hear some stories about Doug Dellinger. I know of only one with Bret Hart who told of his jacket being stolen under Doug's watch. WCW had Doug who looked like he hadn't been in the police force for 50 years and WWF had Jim Dotson (when they showed a regular security) who looked like he could destroy any number of wrestlers or fans. |
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Post by Jedi-El of Tomorrow on Jun 30, 2020 9:08:19 GMT -5
Bischoff knows karate, but Vince knows crazy. Vince would immediately try to tear out Bischoff's eyes. Vince is the guy that a couple of years later would randomly shoot wrestle Kurt freaking Angle. He was also willing to throw down against Mickey Rourke's entourage.
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Post by Toilet Paper Roll on Jun 30, 2020 18:05:48 GMT -5
If it was a clean fight I think Bischoff being trained to fight would win.
But there’s no way it would have been a clean fight and Vince would have chewed his face off
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Post by The Thread Barbi on Jul 1, 2020 1:27:07 GMT -5
Bret knocked Vince out with a single punch. I don't think Vince has had many real fights in a long while and probably has a glass jaw for all the bravado.
Karate incorporates full contact sparring so Eric would be in the better position to absorb the hits.
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Post by ppl591 on Jul 1, 2020 5:36:40 GMT -5
Vince would've ripped his suit off to reveal and NWO shirt because in 98 everyone was in the NWO
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Jul 1, 2020 6:11:32 GMT -5
Bret knocked Vince out with a single punch. I don't think Vince has had many real fights in a long while and probably has a glass jaw for all the bravado. Karate incorporates full contact sparring so Eric would be in the better position to absorb the hits. Bret was also a wrestler at his peak physical condition and amped up on adrenaline |
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Post by msc on Jul 1, 2020 8:34:27 GMT -5
It's the old "crazy old man strength vs. trained fighter" argument. As much as a goof as Bischoff was and is, he's a legit blackbelt and was a solid amateur wrestler. And as much of as an uncoordinated meathead as Vince is, he was on more juice than Tropicana and wanted to see Bischoff 6 feet under Bischoff might have been a more trained fighter and might win on style points but vince would best him in a fight. I never understood why WCW pointed to things WWF did like the slamboree challenge and the foley title win. Why would you draw attention to your competitor ? WCW styled itself as pro wrestling while WWF was sports entertainment yet WCW at times saved WWF the bother of promoting stuff. It'd be like one network TV channel telling its audience what great programmes its competitors has. This became nuts in 2000 when Scott Steiner used to do promos about how rubbish Nitro was compared to "that far better wrestling show on the other channel". Free advertisement for RAW! |
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Post by The Thread Barbi on Jul 1, 2020 8:43:02 GMT -5
Bischoff might have been a more trained fighter and might win on style points but vince would best him in a fight. I never understood why WCW pointed to things WWF did like the slamboree challenge and the foley title win. Why would you draw attention to your competitor ? WCW styled itself as pro wrestling while WWF was sports entertainment yet WCW at times saved WWF the bother of promoting stuff. It'd be like one network TV channel telling its audience what great programmes its competitors has. This became nuts in 2000 when Scott Steiner used to do promos about how rubbish Nitro was compared to "that far better wrestling show on the other channel". Free advertisement for RAW! --- I need to look this up! On the other hand, Vince Russo may really have been McMahon's sleeper agent to bring down WCW if that was said! |
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Post by sungod2020 on Jul 1, 2020 9:49:26 GMT -5
Bret knocked Vince out with a single punch. I don't think Vince has had many real fights in a long while and probably has a glass jaw for all the bravado. Karate incorporates full contact sparring so Eric would be in the better position to absorb the hits. He was also roughed up by Nailz in late 92 after a pay dispute. Also, is it true Corporal Kirschner physically attacked Vince after he fired him? I could've sworn I read that somewhere. Are there any cases of Vince knocking someone out with his craziness? |
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Post by msc on Jul 1, 2020 9:55:29 GMT -5
This became nuts in 2000 when Scott Steiner used to do promos about how rubbish Nitro was compared to "that far better wrestling show on the other channel". Free advertisement for RAW! --- I need to look this up! On the other hand, Vince Russo may really have been McMahon's sleeper agent to bring down WCW if that was said! I cant find the video - I was going off memory - but here's a reference thats likely more accurate than my memory in Death of WCW book. |
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