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Post by Deleted on Jul 29, 2020 8:59:43 GMT -5
They can do the same scenario....Asuka runs Sasha off pre-match to the back and then forces Bayley to choose but Bayley chooses to let greed win over and loses the belt to Nikkeh.
And then post match you can either tease it more strongly or outright turn Alexa or nikkeh heel in the moment but teasing it would just be doing Sasha and Bayley again so I would pull the trigger once Nikkeh wins the title.
Either way they need to drop 1 of the singles titles before SummerSlam IMO.
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Post by polarbearpete on Jul 29, 2020 9:21:52 GMT -5
There’s still plenty of credible matchups for Sasha, especially if she’s a face (can defend against heels and faces then). You have Shayna, Jax, Belair, Flair, Naomi, Evans, Sonya who are all credible and can be built up for title defenses. Maybe Ember will be healed by then. Plus anyone from NXT due for a callup.. My guess is Rousey comes back next year too. She'll be on SD, so out goes Jax, Shayna and Belair and who knows with Charlotte, depending on which brand she ends up on. That leaves Naomi who is just now starting to get a forced push thanks to twitter and Evans who has been beaten repeatedly in big matches and Sonya who barely gets any meaningful TV time these days I mean Sasha wasn’t on Raw but just won the Raw women’s title so I don’t think brands matter. They can trade people over. So Belair, Jax and Shayna are all on the table. And if she takes the title off Bayley at WrestleMania, there will likely be a draft and everyone is a possibility.
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Post by Bang Bang Bart on Jul 29, 2020 16:32:04 GMT -5
I'm amazed at how angry people are getting over Ember's remarks about the Sasha/Asuka match from Monday. She hated the finish, thought it made Asuka look real bad. And now you have people crawling out of the woodwork accusing her of having a grudge against the 4HW, and also for "not waiting for the story to be resolved", and that she's just jealous she isn't as successful or as popular as the WWE 4HW. Uh every time that point comes up, it never ends in an actual decent fashion, and Ember mentioned that on her Twitch stream. Every time we are told to wait to see how a storyline plays out, it never ends in a satisfying fashion. She's not wrong. At all. It's painfully obvious they position Sasha, Bayley, Charlotte, and Becky so far above the other women it's not really fair. And the other women aren't given a chance to do well. Look at Kairi Sane. WWE only realized how good she was when she was a couple of weeks away from leaving. Otherwise she was used as fodder to put over the 4HW. Despite being at the same level or above (at least some of) the 4HW in terms of charisma and in ring ability. I mean... Ember’s not wrong about WWE’s followthrough on storylines never being satisfying. It’s something that’s plagued them then, now, and forever.
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Post by A Platypus Rave on Jul 29, 2020 19:07:39 GMT -5
I'm amazed at how angry people are getting over Ember's remarks about the Sasha/Asuka match from Monday. She hated the finish, thought it made Asuka look real bad. And now you have people crawling out of the woodwork accusing her of having a grudge against the 4HW, and also for "not waiting for the story to be resolved", and that she's just jealous she isn't as successful or as popular as the WWE 4HW. Uh every time that point comes up, it never ends in an actual decent fashion, and Ember mentioned that on her Twitch stream. Every time we are told to wait to see how a storyline plays out, it never ends in a satisfying fashion. She's not wrong. At all. It's painfully obvious they position Sasha, Bayley, Charlotte, and Becky so far above the other women it's not really fair. And the other women aren't given a chance to do well. Look at Kairi Sane. WWE only realized how good she was when she was a couple of weeks away from leaving. Otherwise she was used as fodder to put over the 4HW. Despite being at the same level or above (at least some of) the 4HW in terms of charisma and in ring ability. I mean... Ember’s not wrong about WWE’s followthrough on storylines never being satisfying. It’s something that’s plagued them then, now, and forever. I can think of a handful for times that "let's see where this goes guys" actually paid off succesfully.... and at least one of those they had to be dragged kicking and screaming to the proper ending. The WWE have burned through all of their goodwill and people giving them the benefit of hte doubt becuase usually the pay off... is either NOTHING... or completely opposite of what it should be.
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Post by mistery on Jul 31, 2020 15:01:41 GMT -5
I bet if Seth Rollins or another not well liked wrestler in WWE made this remark, fans would be calling for their head. But since its Bayley and Sasha, it's fine.
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Post by tenshi on Jul 31, 2020 15:13:08 GMT -5
This sounds like a cycle: People aren't getting chances because they're not over but they're not over because they're not getting chances. The same happened when Becky and Charlotte were on top so the issue continues until the cycle is broken.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 31, 2020 15:14:47 GMT -5
"No ones stepping up to the plate"
Easy to say from your position Bayley when you get to bat all the time.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 31, 2020 15:15:24 GMT -5
The only thing I take issue with in Bayley's response is the "no one's stepping up to the plate" part. That's on WWE for being unable to focus on more than two women at a time, not the rest of the women. Bianca Belair could be the biggest star in the division, but they have her working Main Event or hanging out with Ruby in random backstage segments with Mark Henry.
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Post by mistery on Jul 31, 2020 15:19:52 GMT -5
It's especially infuriating because it just reinforces the point that the WWE 4HW are incredibly clique like and even if its supposed to be an in-character interview, all this generates is meta heat. Which as I've said many times before, is the bad type of heat. It doesn't make me want to see you get your ass kicked. It makes me want to see you go away. And ratings seem to reflect that. In this week's WON, Dave mentioned that the finish to the Sasha/Asuka match was the reason for the steep viewership dropoff.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 31, 2020 15:26:49 GMT -5
I wouldn't be surprised if the "No one's stepping up to the plate" part was Bayley being in character. I just have a hard time believing the real person would believe something like that. It's still stupid though, I love Becky but even I got tired of her in character interviews. This era we're in is silly.
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Post by eJm on Jul 31, 2020 15:28:20 GMT -5
I wouldn't be surprised if the "No one's stepping up to the plate" part was Bayley being in character. I just have a hard time believing the real person would believe something like that. I mean a lot of Kool Aid gets drunk in that company so...
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Post by A Platypus Rave on Jul 31, 2020 16:49:26 GMT -5
I wouldn't be surprised if the "No one's stepping up to the plate" part was Bayley being in character. I just have a hard time believing the real person would believe something like that. It's still stupid though, I love Becky but even I got tired of her in character interviews. This era we're in is silly. ESPECIALLY since Bayley is one of the people that should realize how bullshit that is just because of how f***ing awful they handled her main roster run for f***ing years.
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Post by Ishmeal Loves Kaseyhausen on Jul 31, 2020 17:01:14 GMT -5
It's almost like she's giving an in character interview. Hmm.
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Post by HMARK Center on Jul 31, 2020 17:08:34 GMT -5
I think one of the keys to the problem people are describing here is that there's really no stories being told with these title reigns that the Horsewomen are having beyond "these women hold the belts a lot". People are bringing up how it feels like there are no real feuds in the women's divisions beyond "so and so is challenging the champion", but this core four winning a lot doesn't have to be the big issue; rather, it seems like the women who challenge them get mini buildups, get to challenge for the title, but then their challenge doesn't really do anything for them or build their characters up more in any real way.
I know, annoying "compare WWE to other companies" time here, but the recent Shida vs. Ford women's title match AEW didn't have a ton of storyline or anything going into it for a whole range of reasons (largely "we're missing a bunch of our top women thanks to COVID and travel restrictions" ones), and Ford hasn't done a ton since losing that match, but all the same she still got to look very competitive against the champion and prove she's "not just a pretty face", thus meaning that the next time she rises up for a potential title shot she'll likely be seen as more legitimate in the audiences' eye than she was in this first title shot, assuming her booking remains reasonably strong. In other promotions you'll see challengers get built up to title matches and lose, but they'll at least have something new established about their character, or something about the loss will stick with them, etc. etc. I remember Zach Sabre Jr. winning the New Japan Cup; he lost to Okada when he challenged him for the title, but he beat tons of top names in the tournament to win the cup and gave Okada a real challenge, thus firmly establishing Sabre as an upper card title challenger and putting his submission style over as a legitimate threat going forward against anyone he faces. It's not a huge change for him, but it helped cement his spot in the company.
If the only build up to a title match is "So and so has pinned the champion on this random episode of Smackdown! That HAS to put her in line for a title opportunity!", if there's no real motivation behind the match, if the match just happens, the challenger loses, and then goes right back to what they were doing with absolutely no change whatsoever as if the challenge never even happened, then it creates this sense that the champ is just burying everyone because nobody looks better for the match having happened. Could that be what's plaguing them right now?
And yeah, if they're short on women to keep the divisions looking credible, now's a great time to really focus on bringing up some PC students as enhancement workers. Don't need to do squashes, but let some of them get their feet wet.
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Post by Gus Richlen Was Wrong on Jul 31, 2020 17:10:10 GMT -5
I think one of the keys to the problem people are describing here is that there's really no stories being told with these title reigns that the Horsewomen are having beyond "these women hold the belts a lot". People are bringing up how it feels like there are no real feuds in the women's divisions beyond "so and so is challenging the champion", but this core four winning a lot doesn't have to be the big issue; rather, it seems like the women who challenge them get mini buildups, get to challenge for the title, but then their challenge doesn't really do anything for them or build their characters up more in any real way. I know, annoying "compare WWE to other companies" time here, but the recent Shida vs. Ford women's title match AEW didn't have a ton of storyline or anything going into it for a whole range of reasons (largely "we're missing a bunch of our top women thanks to COVID and travel restrictions" ones), and Ford hasn't done a ton since losing that match, but all the same she still got to look very competitive against the champion and prove she's "not just a pretty face", thus meaning that the next time she rises up for a potential title shot she'll likely be seen as more legitimate in the audiences' eye than she was in this first title shot, assuming her booking remains reasonably strong. In other promotions you'll see challengers get built up to title matches and lose, but they'll at least have something new established about their character, or something about the loss will stick with them, etc. etc. I remember Zach Sabre Jr. winning the New Japan Cup; he lost to Okada when he challenged him for the title, but he beat tons of top names in the tournament to win the cup and gave Okada a real challenge, thus firmly establishing Sabre as an upper card title challenger and putting his submission style over as a legitimate threat going forward against anyone he faces. It's not a huge change for him, but it helped cement his spot in the company. If the only build up to a title match is "So and so has pinned the champion on this random episode of Smackdown! That HAS to put her in line for a title opportunity!", if there's no real motivation behind the match, if the match just happens, the challenger loses, and then goes right back to what they were doing with absolutely no change whatsoever as if the challenge never even happened, then it creates this sense that the champ is just burying everyone because nobody looks better for the match having happened. Could that be what's plaguing them right now? And yeah, if they're short on women to keep the divisions looking credible, now's a great time to really focus on bringing up some PC students as enhancement workers. Don't need to do squashes, but let some of them get their feet wet. They're not short of women. It's just that Vince can't be bothered to give a f*** about anyone outside of a couple of people, which has been a general Vince problem for years now.
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Post by Bang Bang Bart on Jul 31, 2020 21:02:17 GMT -5
When was the last time Bayley/Banks didn’t stand tall to end the night anyway?
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Post by Gus Richlen Was Wrong on Jul 31, 2020 21:04:45 GMT -5
And as I feared/expected, Nikki got fed to Bayley. And Bliss Cross is likely splitting. Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-], I'm gonna answer your question: the overpush benefits not a single goddamned person other than Vince's own goddamned f***ing stupid idea of what f***ing works.
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Post by mistery on Jul 31, 2020 21:05:03 GMT -5
When was the last time Bayley/Banks didn’t stand tall to end the night anyway? To end the night or the segment? Because they've always stood tall to end the night since they've returned. But in segments, it was when Kairi beat Bayley. Hopefully Asuka actually doesn't look like a goof like Nikki did tonight. Let Asuka murder Sasha and Bayley and take one of their titles.
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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on Jul 31, 2020 21:06:03 GMT -5
This is full on Two Man Power Trip territory at this point. WWE's head is so far up the Four Horsewomen's asses that none of the other girls feel like they matter in the slightest, and there are no new stars being made. Seriously did Bianca Belair show up just to disappear AGAIN?
Shit is so mind bogglingly stupid at this point, like Bayley and Sasha aren't a bad act but they're so EVERYWHERE that they have run stale and obnoxious. They do not need every single title, and the whole breakup tease has worn its welcome and had worn its welcome months ago.
I see no end in sight, when they didn't pull the trigger on Lacey at Mania, I knew we were in trouble.
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Post by Bang Bang Bart on Jul 31, 2020 21:07:52 GMT -5
This is full on Two Man Power Trip territory at this point. WWE's head is so far up the Four Horsewomen's asses that none of the other girls feel like they matter in the slightest, and there are no new stars being made. Seriously did Bianca Belair show up just to disappear AGAIN? Shit is so mind bogglingly stupid at this point, like Bayley and Sasha aren't a bad act but they're so EVERYWHERE that they have run stale and obnoxious. They do not need every single title, and the whole breakup tease has worn its welcome and had worn its welcome months ago. I see no end in sight, when they didn't pull the trigger on Lacey at Mania, I knew we were in trouble. I think we’re past the point where when the breakup does happen, it won’t be met with the reaction WWE wants us to have, just a big “f***ing finally” from actual fans (and not the PC plants).
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