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Post by polarbearpete on Aug 10, 2020 14:48:10 GMT -5
We went over that previously; fact is, none of us know what the story is on why Purrazzo and Kimber Lee are in Impact and not AEW. Impact's negotiation strategy in the tougher modern landscape where they're the smallest company has been aggressive, so maybe that's the driver; maybe it isn't. Maybe there were negotiations that simply stalled; maybe there weren't. Might have to do with not having confidence bringing in a lot of people at once and having enough for them while trying to keep current roster members over, or it might not. I think a fair case can be made for them to be more aggressive on that front, for sure, but I also have no idea who's fully available, who's interested in signing right now on whatever terms, etc. I think the "bring in younger, less experienced wrestlers and train them up" strategy is something they see as a long term answer, but it's certainly true they could use a short term one, as well, again given that there's no telling when their international workers will be back. I think the thing we have to also throw in is that, at this point, Impact is the Devil you know in terms of its women’s division. Their peak had a strong women’s division and at the time, they were an appealing option to people not signed to WWE because they were way more flexible and could allow for indie dates in between. Along with that, when AEW first formed, WWE hoovered up a lot of talent and MLW made some moves for some talent. AEW is still in an up and down state. There have been good signings and moments and stuff that hasn’t gone to plan. It’s not as bad as people say but it’s also not great. And whilst it’s not ideal they’re on YT with most of this tournament, the number for the first show was strong and if that builds, that’ll be a good thing. I mean, if I were them, I would have signed Kimber Lee right away and Doenna I would have been on the phone to right when she was released. But then none of us know how stuff is like on their end and it isn’t like they haven’t tested the ground with people. If Ellering passes more auditions and Tay keeps impressing, they’ll be solid additions and it’s something to build from. I’m trying not to rule one way or another and I wish this discussion didn’t exist and AEW snagged more big free agents but...I don’t know. Impact may ensure a better push but they also get what 100-200K viewers for their weekly show? The exposure in AEW is second only to WWE main roster.
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Post by Feargus McReddit on Aug 10, 2020 14:51:42 GMT -5
I think the thing we have to also throw in is that, at this point, Impact is the Devil you know in terms of its women’s division. Their peak had a strong women’s division and at the time, they were an appealing option to people not signed to WWE because they were way more flexible and could allow for indie dates in between. Along with that, when AEW first formed, WWE hoovered up a lot of talent and MLW made some moves for some talent. AEW is still in an up and down state. There have been good signings and moments and stuff that hasn’t gone to plan. It’s not as bad as people say but it’s also not great. And whilst it’s not ideal they’re on YT with most of this tournament, the number for the first show was strong and if that builds, that’ll be a good thing. I mean, if I were them, I would have signed Kimber Lee right away and Doenna I would have been on the phone to right when she was released. But then none of us know how stuff is like on their end and it isn’t like they haven’t tested the ground with people. If Ellering passes more auditions and Tay keeps impressing, they’ll be solid additions and it’s something to build from. I’m trying not to rule one way or another and I wish this discussion didn’t exist and AEW snagged more big free agents but...I don’t know. Impact may ensure a better push but they also get what 100-200K viewers for their weekly show? The exposure in AEW is second only to WWE main roster. Oh no, I’m not letting them fully off the hook but by that logic, we wouldn’t have so many people rejecting WWE contracts as they do. Sometimes you need to know you’ll be used instead of waiting for a shot on TV, you know. And if Impact can provide that now, you go there to build your name. Chris Brookes passed a WWE contract a few years ago and now he’s growing as a star presence in DDT as one of the only gaijins in Japanese wrestling right now. Sometimes you just have to bet on yourself and go for certainty.
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Post by polarbearpete on Aug 10, 2020 14:55:27 GMT -5
Impact may ensure a better push but they also get what 100-200K viewers for their weekly show? The exposure in AEW is second only to WWE main roster. Oh no, I’m not letting them fully off the hook but by that logic, we wouldn’t have so many people rejecting WWE contracts as they do. Sometimes you need to know you’ll be used instead of waiting for a shot on TV, you know. And if Impact can provide that now, you go there to build your name. Chris Brookes passed a WWE contract a few years ago and now he’s growing as a star presence in DDT as one of the only gaijins in Japanese wrestling right now. Sometimes you just have to bet on yourself and go for certainty. Who has passed on WWE main roster contracts? I’m sure there have been some but I doubt it is prevalent. A developmental deal is different as you can just wallow in the PC or NXT for years and years.
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Post by Feargus McReddit on Aug 10, 2020 14:57:53 GMT -5
Oh no, I’m not letting them fully off the hook but by that logic, we wouldn’t have so many people rejecting WWE contracts as they do. Sometimes you need to know you’ll be used instead of waiting for a shot on TV, you know. And if Impact can provide that now, you go there to build your name. Chris Brookes passed a WWE contract a few years ago and now he’s growing as a star presence in DDT as one of the only gaijins in Japanese wrestling right now. Sometimes you just have to bet on yourself and go for certainty. Who has passed on WWE main roster contracts? I’m sure there have been some but I doubt it is prevalent. A developmental deal is different as you can just wallow in the PC or NXT for years and years. I meant NXT contract which is practically the same thing. You’re still signed with WWE and only WWE.
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Post by polarbearpete on Aug 10, 2020 15:03:46 GMT -5
Who has passed on WWE main roster contracts? I’m sure there have been some but I doubt it is prevalent. A developmental deal is different as you can just wallow in the PC or NXT for years and years. I meant NXT contract which is practically the same thing. You’re still signed with WWE and only WWE. Right but turning down a developmental deal is not really giving up on exposure since you may never see the light of day. Point being I don’t think too many are going to pass on the greater exposure of AEW plus the likely more money to go to Impact. Sounds more like AEW just didn’t go hard after these free agent women.
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Post by Feargus McReddit on Aug 10, 2020 15:06:02 GMT -5
I meant NXT contract which is practically the same thing. You’re still signed with WWE and only WWE. Right but turning down a developmental deal is not really giving up on exposure since you may never see the light of day. Point being I don’t think too many are going to pass on the greater exposure of AEW plus the likely more money to go to Impact. Sounds more like AEW just didn’t go hard after these free agent women. And you could be right but like it has been pointed, we don’t really know what happened. We have one person, sure, but that might not be the case for everyone. And some of it does have to do with how AEW has gone with its division so far might have people wanting to take a risk somewhere else too.
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Post by Hypnosis on Aug 10, 2020 15:15:46 GMT -5
Right but turning down a developmental deal is not really giving up on exposure since you may never see the light of day. Point being I don’t think too many are going to pass on the greater exposure of AEW plus the likely more money to go to Impact. Sounds more like AEW just didn’t go hard after these free agent women. And you could be right but like it has been pointed, we don’t really know what happened. We have one person, sure, but that might not be the case for everyone. And some of it does have to do with how AEW has gone with its division so far might have people wanting to take a risk somewhere else too. I think a lot of that could change if Dynamite usually had more than one women's match every week, and more segments for other women on the show besides the ones we normally see (Shida, Baker, Nyla, Swole).
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Post by kingoftheindies on Aug 10, 2020 15:17:58 GMT -5
On Kimber Lee, she signed with Impact to work with her husband
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Post by Feargus McReddit on Aug 10, 2020 15:22:11 GMT -5
And you could be right but like it has been pointed, we don’t really know what happened. We have one person, sure, but that might not be the case for everyone. And some of it does have to do with how AEW has gone with its division so far might have people wanting to take a risk somewhere else too. I think a lot of that could change if Dynamite usually had more than one women's match every week, and more segments for other women on the show besides the ones we normally see (Shida, Baker, Nyla, Swole). Absolutely. And Impact has a history of being better with that stuff and with less tapings and more free time to take other bookings, why not try and build your name and see what the scenes look like in a year or so? For as much as she's rightfully called out upon, Tessa went from women's to world champion. What's to say nobody on that women's roster could do that and basically be the Not asshole version?
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Post by HMARK Center on Aug 10, 2020 17:53:08 GMT -5
I think a lot of that could change if Dynamite usually had more than one women's match every week, and more segments for other women on the show besides the ones we normally see (Shida, Baker, Nyla, Swole). Absolutely. And Impact has a history of being better with that stuff and with less tapings and more free time to take other bookings, why not try and build your name and see what the scenes look like in a year or so? For as much as she's rightfully called out upon, Tessa went from women's to world champion. What's to say nobody on that women's roster could do that and basically be the Not asshole version? That's basically where the reference to Impact's negotiating style right now comes in: wrestlers aren't belt marks, but if Impact told Purrazzo, for example, "sign with us and you'll be on top of the division right away, here's two years at a nice price tag, the keys are yours", that's a tough offer to turn away from even if AEW would get her more exposure. No clue what any talks she had with AEW might've gone like, but it's possible they weren't as quick to offer a run as champion or what have you, and she took the surefire deal. Coming off a NXT run where she felt very underused, Impact offers a chance to get over as a world champion or main event player, something she can then use whenever her Impact deal is up to either get an even better deal from them next time, or use it to her advantage negotiating with the bigger companies. Again, who knows, maybe AEW dragged their feet way too much with her, but she's in a prime spot to go somewhere where she knows she'll have the spotlight right away, capitalize on it, and reestablish her place in the US women's scene pecking order as a top player.
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Post by "Gizzark" Mike Wronglevenay on Aug 10, 2020 18:33:52 GMT -5
the biggest problem right now is that injuries derailed the division, along with Kong leaving for GLOW We never got that match with her and Aja Kong She seemed pretty limited in the ring by that point, I don't know how much mileage you would have gotten out of her I love both those talents very much, but if we're being honest with ourselves we know that match would have sucked balls. It would have been five minutes of grunting and shoving, some sandbaggy suplexes - anybody reckon Aja could get up for an Implant Buster even if she wanted to? I kinda take issue with how their women's tag tournament is on youtube instead of their weekly two hours of programming. Do they even mention it on Dynamite? Me too! Anybody remember that interview at the end of 2019 when Kenny said to give them a chance in 2020 to get the women's divison right? Not all of this is pandemic derailing. If you have enough women for a tournament PUT THE TOURNAMENT ON TELEVISION
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Post by Feargus McReddit on Aug 10, 2020 18:40:40 GMT -5
We never got that match with her and Aja Kong She seemed pretty limited in the ring by that point, I don't know how much mileage you would have gotten out of her I love both those talents very much, but if we're being honest with ourselves we know that match would have sucked balls. It would have been five minutes of grunting and shoving, some sandbaggy suplexes - anybody reckon Aja could get up for an Implant Buster even if she wanted to? Take that realistic and logical reasoning THE F*** OUT OF HERE!
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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on Aug 10, 2020 18:44:04 GMT -5
Well looking at the deadly draw, they could sign
- Racheal Ellering - Tay Conti - Ivelisse - Diamante - Nicole Savoy - Rache Chanel
And they'd all be good signings and really beef this division up. Conti might already be signed which is positive, and I'm hoping more follow. Beefing up the division is the key thing they need to do right now, and Shida's open challenges might help that
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Post by Dr. Bolty, Disaster Enby on Aug 10, 2020 19:10:54 GMT -5
Nicole Savoy/Lil Swole is such a no-brainer signing that I was starting to think there was some catastrophic reason that she wasn't already brought in. Swole Family is also a great tag team to build around, along with Ivelisse and Diamante being a very fluid team out there.
Rachael Ellering is also a great pickup. The biggest strength of AEW's women's division - one of the multiple reasons I want to see it get more love - is that they have a good batch of powerhouses, and Ellering fits right in.
Dasha would also be great in a Brandon Cutler-like role as the jobber that you always want to see win. The fact that she is clearly inexperienced and supposed to be means that her first win won't make her opponent look bad, either - especially not when she is so obviously ripped and athletic.
Welp, gotta say, Lil Swole coming in has given me a bit more faith in the Shida open challenge. Shida vs. Lil Swole alone will be excellent when it happens, and Swole Family is a legitimate top babyface act to build a tag division around.
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Post by chrom on Aug 10, 2020 19:16:06 GMT -5
I believe Diamante has been signed, she's won three matches with them.
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Post by Dr. Bolty, Disaster Enby on Aug 10, 2020 19:23:47 GMT -5
I believe Diamante has been signed, she's won three matches with them. Wouldn't be surprised. She was very prominent in the promo spots for the tournament, had already had some solid outings as enhancement talent, and she's in that sweet spot between new and familiar where the Deadly Draw could logically exist mostly to put her over.
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Post by chrom on Aug 10, 2020 19:26:40 GMT -5
I do wonder what happened to Christi Jayne, it looked like she was getting some focus as she had won on Dark, she wasn't in the tournament. Does she have any previous incidents and attitude problems?
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Post by Dr. Bolty, Disaster Enby on Aug 10, 2020 19:33:03 GMT -5
I do wonder what happened to Christi Jayne, it looked like she was getting some focus as she had won on Dark, she wasn't in the tournament. Does she have any previous incidents and attitude problems? There's a whole thing with her and Rachael Ellering, but that seems like it wouldn't be a barrier given some known feuds on the roster like Gibbs and Priestley or Ivelisse and Jack Evans. She also might be more of an AAA talent exchange wrestler than a roster member, if I correctly understand that she primarily works there.
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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on Aug 10, 2020 21:32:27 GMT -5
I believe Diamante has been signed, she's won three matches with them. We just havent gotten any graphics for girls lately, maybe they're waiting for like a big reveal day or something...
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Post by moxfan1 on Aug 10, 2020 23:52:41 GMT -5
Well looking at the deadly draw, they could sign - Racheal Ellering - Tay Conti - Ivelisse - Diamante - Nicole Savoy - Rache Chanel And they'd all be good signings and really beef this division up. Conti might already be signed which is positive, and I'm hoping more follow. Beefing up the division is the key thing they need to do right now, and Shida's open challenges might help that AEW done a nice job bringing in some of the best FA woman available. But it can't end here. They need to end up signing Rachel Ellering, Tay Conti, Ivelisse, Diamante and or Nicole Savoy. They can't allow these woman go elsewhere like Mercedes Martinez or Deonna Purrazzo. If you add those 4 or 5 woman. To Nyla Rose, Shia, Baker, Big Swole, Penelope Ford, Abandon, Anna Jay and Kris Statlander when she comes back. All of the sudden woman roster looks a lot better. Especially if you start getting a few of international woman back like Bea Priestley, Riho, Shanna etc.
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